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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: SAW on February 15, 2025, 06:39:56 PM
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Double could be 8-8?
2nd - 1 Franco Totem N 8,7,4
Good Luck To All!
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The 8 horse was 9/2 at 1 mtp, then 4-1, gate moving 7/2, kicks in late, & gets up at 2-1. It looked hopeless & then zooming....
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Let's see if the 10 in race 2 could take advantage of the new gate. The price is right for win & place bets.
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Let's see if the 10 in race 2 could take advantage of the new gate. The price is right for win & place bets.
Not the same horse as last time. He did have time off...but void of any pace.
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3rd - 6 Cellmate 4,3,5
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The 2 gets a big driver change in race 4. Betting wps on the bomb.
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4th - 5 Ignatius A 6,1,4 Should win easily, but you never know with the sloppy track?
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5th - 6 Stable Genius 3,9,5
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6th - 4 Dixie Dream 9,8,2
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I like the 5 to win race 6.
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7th - 7 Curbside Pickup 6,2,3
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They are racing in the slop tonight.
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8th - 4 Brutallyhandsome A 6,8,1
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Race 8 wps on the 3. Gets Beckwith at a price, big value...but needs a big performance
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Race 9 has another big driver change to Miller. This one is bet, needs to leave, & i'll play win.
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9th - 2 Lyons Steel 6,9,1
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Total Nightly Handle: $3,077,870.59
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Total Nightly Handle: $3,077,870.59
That's it? With wbmh cancelled? Gural is gonna be slamming on some desks
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Total Nightly Handle: $3,077,870.59
it would be refreshing to see a press release from Gural/Jason about how much of the handle is Elite Turf Club
the 600lb elephant in the room is never discussed
do they honestly believe we don't know about them?
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They want you to think everything they do is above board and in the best interest of the horseplayer, which is total BS.
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Yes, that is exactly what Gural believes...that nobody knows anything about Elite. No, it's that they don't even exist. That's even better.
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Pretty direct question. What dollar amount of the nightly handle comes from Elite?
I'm pretty sure no rather exactly sure, that answer is not forthcoming from Jeff gural
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That's it? With wbmh cancelled? Gural is gonna be slamming on some desks
Just because 1 track cancels doesn't mean another's will automatically rise.
Last Saturday when the Meadowlands cancelled Woodbine/Mohawks handle did not rise.
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Just because 1 track cancels doesn't mean another's will automatically rise.
Last Saturday when the Meadowlands cancelled Woodbine/Mohawks handle did not rise.
Can you tell us all very succinctly now, how much of the handle is from Elite? You seem to be involved in some capacity.
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Personally, I don't see why Gural should disclose anything. It's his business, a privately held/owned business. You play, ask, he says go play bingo, and you decide whether you want to keep playing or not. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Personally, I don't see why Gural should disclose anything. It's his business, a privately held/owned business. You play, ask, he says go play bingo, and you decide whether you want to keep playing or not. Seems pretty simple to me.
Very sustainable business model. Just perfectly stated
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What about the state tax payers, they can't know anything either? It's all a big mystery
When you take the state handout, it all has to brought to the table.
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Personally, I don't see why Gural should disclose anything. It's his business, a privately held/owned business. You play, ask, he says go play bingo, and you decide whether you want to keep playing or not. Seems pretty simple to me.
there has been a massive decline in the number of players who have decided to continue to play his product
that's why he needs a casino
my prediction is that Gural will give up in 2-3 years--as many have said here there doesn't seem to be anyone else willing to step up and take the loss in dreams of a casino
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there has been a massive decline in the number of players who have decided to continue to play his product
that's why he needs a casino
my prediction is that Gural will give up in 2-3 years--as many have said here there doesn't seem to be anyone else willing to step up and take the loss in dreams of a casino
He completely failed to mention that due to the subsidy, it's not private any more. Be weary of his kind. There are plenty of them out there. Most likely, he's an owner or a breeder or connected in some way to the subsidy. Apparently Blair burgess was his friend. I don't know he never stops dropping names
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He completely failed to mention that due to the subsidy, it's not private any more. Be weary of his kind. There are plenty of them out there. Most likely, he's an owner or a breeder or connected in some way to the subsidy. Apparently Blair burgess was his friend. I don't know he never stops dropping names
WRONG........... Just because business have subsidies it doesn't negate private ownership. While many industries receive government subsidies, three of the biggest beneficiaries are energy, agriculture, and transportation.
Top 10.
1 Boeing Industrial $15.5B
2 Intel Tech & Media $8.4B
3 Ford Motor Automotive $7.7B
4 General Motors Automotive $7.5B
5 Micron Technology Tech & Media $6.8B
6 Amazon Tech & Media $5.9B
7 Alcoa Industrial $5.7B
8 Cheniere Energy Energy $5.6B
9 Foxconn Technology Group Tech & Media $4.8B
10 Venture Global LNG Energy $4.3B
10 Million for the Meadowlands is peanuts and has to be accounted for per the subsidy's guidelines....... . which are checked by the state and meet each year.
Now you may not like them or agree with them, but that and $1.00 will get you a can of soda.
Or you can run for a seat in the N.J. goverment and change the laws, but Im guessing you dont even live in New Jersey?? Correct??
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WRONG........... Just because business have subsidies it doesn't negate private ownership. While many industries receive government subsidies, three of the biggest beneficiaries are energy, agriculture, and transportation.
Top 10.
1 Boeing Industrial $15.5B
2 Intel Tech & Media $8.4B
3 Ford Motor Automotive $7.7B
4 General Motors Automotive $7.5B
5 Micron Technology Tech & Media $6.8B
6 Amazon Tech & Media $5.9B
7 Alcoa Industrial $5.7B
8 Cheniere Energy Energy $5.6B
9 Foxconn Technology Group Tech & Media $4.8B
10 Venture Global LNG Energy $4.3B
10 Million for the Meadowlands is peanuts and has to be accounted for per the subsidy's guidelines....... . which are checked by the state and meet each year.
Now you may not like them or agree with them, but that and $1.00 will get you a can of soda.
Or you can run for a seat in the N.J. goverment and change the laws, but Im guessing you dont even live in New Jersey?? Correct??
What's to hide? Why not just tell us the dollar amount of caw play is in the pools? Why so guarded about it
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He completely failed to mention that due to the subsidy, it's not private any more. Be weary of his kind. There are plenty of them out there. Most likely, he's an owner or a breeder or connected in some way to the subsidy. Apparently Blair burgess was his friend. I don't know he never stops dropping names
Gural doesn’t get money from the subsidy. The horseman do
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Gural doesn’t get money from the subsidy. The horseman do
Im aware that the subsidy goes to purses. I'm gonna retreat. Already aware site is filled with people who will bury the CAW side of the business.
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WRONG........... Just because business have subsidies it doesn't negate private ownership. While many industries receive government subsidies, three of the biggest beneficiaries are energy, agriculture, and transportation.
Top 10.
1 Boeing Industrial $15.5B
2 Intel Tech & Media $8.4B
3 Ford Motor Automotive $7.7B
4 General Motors Automotive $7.5B
5 Micron Technology Tech & Media $6.8B
6 Amazon Tech & Media $5.9B
7 Alcoa Industrial $5.7B
8 Cheniere Energy Energy $5.6B
9 Foxconn Technology Group Tech & Media $4.8B
10 Venture Global LNG Energy $4.3B
10 Million for the Meadowlands is peanuts and has to be accounted for per the subsidy's guidelines....... . which are checked by the state and meet each year.
Now you may not like them or agree with them, but that and $1.00 will get you a can of soda.
Or you can run for a seat in the N.J. goverment and change the laws, but Im guessing you dont even live in New Jersey?? Correct??
Please, don't use and confuse people whining and thinking they are correct with a FACT. It will further confuse those people. If they believe receiving government funds, subsidies, whatever they want to call it, makes a privately-owned/held businesses no longer privately-owned/held, let them. Be grateful that they are not in office, in a position of authority, or even better, running the Meadowlands. LOL.
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Please, don't use and confuse people whining and thinking they are correct with a FACT. It will further confuse those people. If they believe receiving government funds, subsidies, whatever they want to call it, makes a privately-owned/held businesses no longer privately-owned/held, let them. Be grateful that they are not in office, in a position of authority, or even better, running the Meadowlands. LOL.
I am asking for transparency. The subsidy was contingent on handle. I want the public to know what's going on. You and the track management posters on here can tell me to bet bingo and stop asking questions. It's very apparent that there is no way anyone would disclose the information. I'm off to bingo.
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it would be refreshing to see a press release from Gural/Jason about how much of the handle is Elite Turf Club
the 600lb elephant in the room is never discussed
do they honestly believe we don't know about them?
What does a 600lb elephant look like?
Must be a dwarf
No Little jokes plz
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Friday night there were 5 favorites out of 14 races. One were .80, .90, $1.10, $1.80 and $2.10.
If the big boys were playing as often and as much as you think there would have been more heavy favorites.
You don’t mention horses paying $10.00 or more that should have paid $5.00 when they miss.
It works both ways.
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What does a 600lb elephant look like?
Must be a dwarf
No Little jokes plz
TheElite Turf Club is the 600 lb elephant
happy to dumb this down for you
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Friday night there were 5 favorites out of 14 races. One were .80, .90, $1.10, $1.80 and $2.10.
If the big boys were playing as often and as much as you think there would have been more heavy favorites.
You don’t mention horses paying $10.00 or more that should have paid $5.00 when they miss.
It works both ways.
I don't think you understand how Elite wagers. They have the benefit of accessing all of the wagering pools and exploiting potential overlays where they may exist. They are also receiving rebates between 11% to 15%. They can still earn a significant profit in a race even if they have a small wagering loss.
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TheElite Turf Club is the 600 lb elephant
happy to dumb this down for you
No need to dumbo anything, elephants aren't close to 600lbs but the E.T.C seems to be your boogeyman and that's what's scaring you.
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No need to dumbo anything, elephants aren't close to 600lbs but the E.T.C seems to be your boogeyman and that's what's scaring you.
Elite Turf Club are professional pickpockets--so I stopped betting in to the pools about 6 years ago
I don't like having my pockets picked on the first turn--if you call that "scared" then you are 100% correct
Elephants weigh between 4000-15000 lbs depending on species-so thank you for that
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Elite Turf Club are professional pickpockets--so I stopped betting in to the pools about 6 years ago
I don't like having my pockets picked on the first turn--if you call that "scared" then you are 100% correct
Elephants weigh between 4000-15000 lbs depending on species-so thank you for that
There are about a half dozen posters on here who will defend the privacy of the CAW play. What does that inherently tell you? They would actually rather tell customers to leave and bet something else rather than ask questions about the caws.
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There are about a half dozen posters on here who will defend the privacy of the CAW play. What does that inherently tell you? They would actually rather tell customers to leave and bet something else rather than ask questions about the caws.
I cannot see a reason anyone would defend CAW entities
if they truly believe the extra handle(which the take is virtually given away for free)will help purses--then they are unaware that purses are funded by gaming not handle
except in NJ and CA--gaming funds all the purses
not sure on this, but I believe Cal Expo receives a tiny percentage of simulcast revenue from Northern California
NJ hands out roughly $10 million to Gural for purses
why did Gural let CAW into his pools?--probably the handle would be about $1.5 mil instead of some mythological benchmark that the $3 mil pretends to be
lets not forget the CAW is heavily rebated--so he is only making pennies off the extra handle
as far as transparency-that wont happen
does $3mil handle give bettors confidence to play that product where the CAW crushes them?
Gural must think so ........he has catererd to CAW at the expense of the bettors
all in the dreams of a casino
and they call him savior
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I cannot see a reason anyone would defend CAW entities
if they truly believe the extra handle(which the take is virtually given away for free)will help purses--then they are unaware that purses are funded by gaming not handle
except in NJ and CA--gaming funds all the purses
not sure on this, but I believe Cal Expo receives a tiny percentage of simulcast revenue from Northern California
NJ hands out roughly $10 million to Gural for purses
why did Gural let CAW into his pools?--probably the handle would be about $1.5 mil instead of some mythological benchmark that the $3 mil pretends to be
lets not forget the CAW is heavily rebated--so he is only making pennies off the extra handle
as far as transparency-that wont happen
does $3mil handle give bettors confidence to play that product where the CAW crushes them?
Gural must think so ........he has catererd to CAW at the expense of the bettors
all in the dreams of a casino
and they call him savior
They are all connected. I think. All employees or ancilary partners. They will run ip ddresses on you. It seems like a lot of effort to silence caw questions.