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Title: Carmoterol
Post by: ferdinand the bull on February 10, 2025, 04:19:42 PM

How widely has the bronchiodiolator carmoterol been used in standardbreds as a PED?

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on February 10, 2025, 09:56:00 PM

https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/record-setting-quarter-horse-trainer-toby-keeton-charged-with-23-more-drug-positives

Not harness, but here you go.

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: Rohirrim on February 11, 2025, 08:30:54 PM

I hope they start testing for this. Maybe New Yorks new fancy machine will pick it up. No T-bred positives yet on this either. Just the crazy quarter horse guys

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: White Rabbit on February 12, 2025, 07:19:10 PM

It was already picked up over Ohio last year, Rhodes Schillali Mcgunis ,
Those were the d-methamphetamine ones . Lad must not have been able to ID the Cereamort

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: ferdinand the bull on February 12, 2025, 08:51:13 PM

Quote from: White Rabbit on February 12, 2025, 07:19:10 PM

It was already picked up over Ohio last year, Rhodes Schillali Mcgunis ,
Those were the d-methamphetamine ones . Lad must not have been able to ID the Cereamort

But as long as there's grooms pissing in stalls they have their contamination out

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: rainman2 on February 12, 2025, 10:42:39 PM

A better question is:

Who gets the most beneficial results from this?

Quarter horses?

Thoroughbreds?

Standardbreds?

IMO, how much faster can you make a quarter horse go?  Does it matter if the drugs are legal or illegal?  You miss the start when the gate opens, your race is over more times than not!

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: Stan durbread on February 13, 2025, 06:57:54 PM

All of the above. 1/4 horses are bred and trained to go short distances. Any extra air they can get helps. Besides the steroid effect of drugs like this and Clembutoral

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: Papillon on February 14, 2025, 10:08:32 AM

Quote from: rainman2 on February 12, 2025, 10:42:39 PM

A better question is:

Who gets the most beneficial results from this?

Quarter horses?

Thoroughbreds?

Standardbreds?

IMO, how much faster can you make a quarter horse go?  Does it matter if the drugs are legal or illegal?  You miss the start when the gate opens, your race is over more times than not!

broncho-dilators such as Clenbuterol build muscle mass...and it adds lengths

Parx nailed trainer Ramon Preciado years ago and then his beard Penny Pearce using out of competition testing

they both received a 10 year suspension but Ramon will find a new beard if he hasn't already

Title: Re: Carmoterol
Post by: ferdinand the bull on February 26, 2025, 01:26:41 PM

Has any jurisdiction connected carmoterol to the methamphetamine positives?