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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Cobalt Kenny on February 10, 2025, 06:39:08 AM
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Both guys are off to great starts at Saratoga..althoug h Brett doesn't seem to have a whole lot of competition...not until Hennessey gets back in the spring..(and I think Wally is gonna be 84)...but Jaymes horses were all Giant to start the meet.
Good trainer and a better guy. Good luck to all, especially me
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Every year he starts out strong. His horses are always ready to go to start the meet. He has good owners who get him horses to fit the conditions.
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Every year he starts out strong. His horses are always ready to go to start the meet. He has good owners who get him horses to fit the conditions.
You mean he actually jogged and trained his horses during the lay-off? This place was a ghost town until 2 weeks before the opening..then everybody came out of the woodwork and was training the fur off their horses. As far as trainers having horses that fit the conditions..the top 4-5 trainers all do it Only difference is Jaymes doesn't pay 25-30,000 for his, to race in maidens, NW2 etc..Thats some condition sheet that moron of a race secretary has put together...4-5 guys get all the money here
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It's nothing for Jackie Greene, Beckwith etc to give 50,60,70,000 for horses to race in NW1,NW2, or W2-5. Look at the money Levine gives for horses..I was told he paid 75,000 for one that races in NW2500 and can't get a sniff
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Every year he starts out strong. His horses are always ready to go to start the meet. He has good owners who get him horses to fit the conditions.
he raced his horses through the Saratoga break at the Meadowlands so his horses are sharper then the ones who took 6 weeks off. Big advantage.
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You mean he actually jogged and trained his horses during the lay-off? This place was a ghost town until 2 weeks before the opening..then everybody came out of the woodwork and was training the fur off their horses. As far as trainers having horses that fit the conditions..the top 4-5 trainers all do it Only difference is Jaymes doesn't pay 25-30,000 for his, to race in maidens, NW2 etc..Thats some condition sheet that moron of a race secretary has put together...4-5 guys get all the money here
THEN SHAME ON YOU AND OTHER TRAINERS AND OWNERS FOR NOT KNOWING HOW TO READ A CONDITION SHEET.
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You mean he actually jogged and trained his horses during the lay-off? This place was a ghost town until 2 weeks before the opening..then everybody came out of the woodwork and was training the fur off their horses. As far as trainers having horses that fit the conditions..the top 4-5 trainers all do it Only difference is Jaymes doesn't pay 25-30,000 for his, to race in maidens, NW2 etc..Thats some condition sheet that moron of a race secretary has put together...4-5 guys get all the money here
THEN SHAME ON YOU AND OTHER TRAINERS AND OWNERS FOR NOT KNOWING HOW TO READ A CONDITION SHEET.
1st of all, this thread was started to congratulate Brett and Jaymes on their quick starts, 2nd, Im pretty sure I have no trouble reading a condition sheet, in fact, being able to read it - is the problem, and 3rd- SHAME ON ME AND OTHER TRAINERS ??? NO- SHAME ON SHEEP WORMER AND OUTLAWED HORMONES
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Perhaps I am missing the point here. One, it doesn't matter what you pay for a horse. It matters what the horse is at race time. If he's a good horse he'll win out of his condition. Two starts, four, whatever. Period. A good, high-priced horse is not ruining the racing for everybody else forever. If he's not a good horse, no problem. then the rest of the field should be competitive. Two, if trainers are procrastinators, late, lazy, don't know how to run a barn, etc.---then shame on them. Blaming others, finding excuses, and the like is just a cop-out. Lastly, the condition sheet is the condition sheet. Good or bad. Favors some and not others. The day it comes out, as a trainer, you know what you are dealing with. Some trainers go into a new meet with the planets aligning and can crank out a bunch of wins simply because their horses are eligible to certain conditions, timing, etc., and the condition sheet favored them. Others have the opposite and they can't win a two-horse race, LOL.
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Perhaps I am missing the point here. One, it doesn't matter what you pay for a horse. It matters what the horse is at race time. If he's a good horse he'll win out of his condition. Two starts, four, whatever. Period. A good, high-priced horse is not ruining the racing for everybody else forever. If he's not a good horse, no problem. then the rest of the field should be competitive. Two, if trainers are procrastinators, late, lazy, don't know how to run a barn, etc.---then shame on them. Blaming others, finding excuses, and the like is just a cop-out. Lastly, the condition sheet is the condition sheet. Good or bad. Favors some and not others. The day it comes out, as a trainer, you know what you are dealing with. Some trainers go into a new meet with the planets aligning and can crank out a bunch of wins simply because their horses are eligible to certain conditions, timing, etc., and the condition sheet favored them. Others have the opposite and they can't win a two-horse race, LOL.
Good points, all I was saying earlier is you can technically win 15-16 parimutuel wins in NW2LT at Saratoga with that condition sheet..not a level playing field and horrible as far as gambling goes
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Good points, all I was saying earlier is you can technically win 15-16 parimutuel wins in NW2LT at Saratoga with that condition sheet..not a level playing field and horrible as far as gambling goes
Everyone has a chance to take advantage of the same condition sheet!
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Everyone has a chance to take advantage of the same condition sheet!
Yes but not great for the handle
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Good points, all I was saying earlier is you can technically win 15-16 parimutuel wins in NW2LT at Saratoga with that condition sheet..not a level playing field and horrible as far as gambling goes
If that's the case, then every horse eligible has the same chance, absent 1 win vs 2, and money. But if your eligible, you're in. How is not a level playing field? The betting aspect is a separate and distinct discussion.
Everyone has a chance to take advantage of the same condition sheet!
Absolutely. It either goes your way or it doesn't.
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Everyone has a chance to take advantage of the same condition sheet!
and yes..everybody has a chance to take advantage of the condition sheet but only a handful can afford to
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and yes..everybody has a chance to take advantage of the condition sheet but only a handful can afford to
Then they shouldn't be in the business or pack your harness bags and go to Monticello
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Both guys are off to great starts at Saratoga..althoug h Brett doesn't seem to have a whole lot of competition...not until Hennessey gets back in the spring..(and I think Wally is gonna be 84)...but Jaymes horses were all Giant to start the meet.
Good trainer and a better guy. Good luck to all, especially me
Stop being silly Mcassey and race office connections = zero positive tests ever at Saratoga and as far as Beckwith easy to win when you drive horses lay over fields
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Then they shouldn't be in the business or pack your harness bags and go to Monticello
Can't argue with that
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Stop being silly Mcassey and race office connections = zero positive tests ever at Saratoga and as far as Beckwith easy to win when you drive horses lay over fields
Agreed but all I said was they are off to great starts
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Team Beckwith with a couple winners today so far but a cold start last week
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Team Beckwith with a couple winners today so far but a cold start last week
Yes, the one was raging with pace last week Beckwith didn't race many during layoff and didn't qualify many either so the barn might need a start or two
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Yes, the one was raging with pace last week Beckwith didn't race many during layoff and didn't qualify many either so the barn might need a start or two
True point!
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Is that what you really think _?
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Is that what you really think _?
No, Im just trying to get along on here ngc3
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Got ya I know what you’re saying
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The Beckwith kid only win 4 races today..2 were the old mans How many times did Beckwith's trailer leave the grounds today and come back in, once or twice?
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Yes but not great for the handle
handle means nothing
purses are funded by gaming
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handle means nothing
purses are funded by gaming
Absolutely, like many other tracks, if Saratoga had to rely on handle for purse money, they'd be racing for BLANKETS
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Jealously is the best form of flattery.
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Jealously is the best form of flattery.
I'm not jealous, I'm envious (there's a difference) If I owned a trailer, I'd be doing it too..but I probably wouldn't be able to get away with it
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Leave the business if you or your trainer can't afford a trailer.
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That’s what I was thinking. ngc3 That’s the only thing holding you back from being a super trainer? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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The Beckwith kid only win 4 races today..2 were the old mans How many times did Beckwith's trailer leave the grounds today and come back in, once or twice?
Whatever happened to the if your stabled there all horses had to be on the grounds 24 hours prior? That's the whole reason Jackie Rousse now Jackie Greene moved off the track
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Leave the business if you or your trainer can't afford a trailer.
So to leave the grounds, the day your racing so you can run a pound of backing soda in your horse, plus prod him, and give him whatever in the vein...all you need is to afford a trailer??? Geez, can you rent trailers??
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Whatever happened to the if your stabled there all horses had to be on the grounds 24 hours prior? That's the whole reason Jackie Rousse now Jackie Greene moved off the track
Current regime disregards that rule
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Current regime disregards that rule
Bring back that rule
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Bring back that rule
LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD 11.wp
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Cobalt Kenny makes a great point. If everybody could race their horses on testosterone and sheep wormer knowing that if they do come up positive, nothing will ever happen, then they all would. Beckwith's have 8 TESTOSTERONE positives. Obviously he continues to race horses on hormones because nothing will happen. It just starts there.
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I'd be all for a 24-hour quarantine race barn. Added costs, labor, etc. Worth it. I wonder if all tracks have the facilities for this. Maybe this is an idea for HISA.
Problem is...much of the problem is not within 24 hours. It's more of a "program" so to speak. But eliminate the 24 hours and you are taking a step in the right direction.
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Someone needs to do something
Does anyone in there right mind thinks Mcassey should be averaging a 600 udr
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Someone needs to do something
Does anyone in there right mind thinks Mcassey should be averaging a 600 udr
600 UDR?.. I didn't know McAssey drove!
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of course we know that Mr. Turnpike means a 600 UTR... and personally, I thought it would be higher
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I'd be all for a 24-hour quarantine race barn. Added costs, labor, etc. Worth it. I wonder if all tracks have the facilities for this. Maybe this is an idea for HISA.
Problem is...much of the problem is not within 24 hours. It's more of a "program" so to speak. But eliminate the 24 hours and you are taking a step in the right direction.
It's an idea but it won't happen, especially at Saratoga… For Christ sake's they don't care if you'll leave the grounds with a truck and trailer the day of the race and then bring them back later to race and I respectfully disagree for that I believe most of the damage is done within 24 hours… Examples: sheep wormer, baking soda prodding etc... from what I understand , Epogen's got to be given six days or more out from the race.. to be safe
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It's an idea but it won't happen, especially at Saratoga… For Christ sake's they don't care if you'll leave the grounds with a truck and trailer the day of the race and then bring them back later to race and I respectfully disagree for that I believe most of the damage is done within 24 hours… Examples: sheep wormer, baking soda prodding etc... from what I understand , Epogen's got to be given six days or more out from the race.. to be safe
Maybe it will, maybe it won't. The landscape of the industry is changing with HISA. Not IF HISA applies to harness racing, but WHEN HISA applies to harness racing, it will be a very different world. Watch what happens when an authority, a governing body, has the ability to make change----withhold monies/dollars, impact (simulcasting) content, force enforcement, even shut down racing. Watch what happens then. It's already happened in isolated cases with the thoroughbreds. HISA has brought about change.
Maybe not at Saratoga. But maybe. Rome wasn't built in a day. If Saratoga doesn't survive until then, something else will be built instead of Rome. LOL.
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Jackie is a very sharp businesswoman, and has made some good purchases from the late Bob McIntosh. Jaymes and Billy have relocated to Fort Edward. Mark will always be Mark, lives and breathes racing.
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Spending $100,000 for a horse that fits the NW 2/5 where so many in that class are bought for less than $10,000 or be claimed for $12.000-$15,000 looks good but what about the net bottom line.. You need to have the resources to do this. And what about the ones that are bought for big money and disappear? Most horsemen can't do this.
Having owners with deep pockets is a huge advantage in this game when most trainers struggle to get by and have to take horses on deals. Many excellent trainers are out there who just don't have the monetary resources to be noticed.
Then again in life. lots of money sure helps.
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Someone needs to do something
Does anyone in there right mind thinks Mcassey should be averaging a 600 udr
The meet is only 2 weeks in. It's not hard to bat 5 to 600 with limited starts. I'm sure as the meet goes on it'll level out
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Spending $100,000 for a horse that fits the NW 2/5 where so many in that class are bought for less than $10,000 or be claimed for $12.000-$15,000 looks good but what about the net bottom line.. You need to have the resources to do this. And what about the ones that are bought for big money and disappear? Most horsemen can't do this.
Having owners with deep pockets is a huge advantage in this game when most trainers struggle to get by and have to take horses on deals. Many excellent trainers are out there who just don't have the monetary resources to be noticed.
Then again in life. lots of money sure helps.
I guess that's one of the points I was trying to make but maybe didn't convey it in the right way, thanks for the input Again, I started this thread to congratulate Brett and Jaymes for their quick start. And btw, the kid drove 6 horses to the winner circle yesterday, and had 7 but came out late into another horse in the last turn and was dq'd
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The meet is only 2 weeks in. It's not hard to bat 5 to 600 with limited starts. I'm sure as the meet goes on it'll level out
Great Point
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I guess that's one of the points I was trying to make but maybe didn't convey it in the right way, thanks for the input Again, I started this thread to congratulate Brett and Jaymes for their quick start. And btw, the kid drove 6 horses to the winner circle yesterday, and had 7 but came out late into another horse in the last turn and was dq'd
Driving lots of power! Makes his job easy...
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Spending $100,000 for a horse that fits the NW 2/5 where so many in that class are bought for less than $10,000 or be claimed for $12.000-$15,000 looks good but what about the net bottom line.. You need to have the resources to do this. And what about the ones that are bought for big money and disappear? Most horsemen can't do this.
Having owners with deep pockets is a huge advantage in this game when most trainers struggle to get by and have to take horses on deals. Many excellent trainers are out there who just don't have the monetary resources to be noticed.
A trainer that is struggling financially, regardless of the reason, does not make good decisions from an owners standpoint . A poverty mindset is not good.
Then again in life. lots of money sure helps.
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Great Point
How many of those winners as a matter of fact just horses in general that are even money
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With power he drives he should win a lot more races
Super nice kid but Kind of OVERRATED
My grandmother could drive some of those horses to winner’s circle
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How many of those winners as a matter of fact just horses in general that are even money
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With power he drives he should win a lot more races
Super nice kid but Kind of OVERRATED
My grandmother could drive some of those horses to winner’s circle
Brett will win the driving title by 100 wins PLUS (and will spend 2 days week in Plainridge and win that title) when they open and the old man might too. He had 2 legit 20 claimers come up from Yonkers and put them both in phony 10's and both jogged and NOBODY takes them!
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It's an easy game ;D
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CLASSIFICATION- CLASSIFICATION-CLASSIFICATION-CLASSIFICATION It's as simple as that and he does it well.
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CLASSIFICATION- CLASSIFICATION-CLASSIFICATION-CLASSIFICATION It's as simple as that and he does it well.
Easy to do when you get classes written especially for you! tmbz1
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That happens everywhere. Not an excuse for his success.
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CLASSIFICATION.is most of it..but lets face it, the other stuff is important too.the soda drops some horses 2-3 seconds
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Sheep wormer drops one considerably also
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Brett will win the driving title by 100 wins PLUS (and will spend 2 days week in Plainridge and win that title) when they open and the old man might too. He had 2 legit 20 claimers come up from Yonkers and put them both in phony 10's and both jogged and NOBODY takes them!
I know it’s so sad
Down right embarrassing
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What a drive with that trotter last night in the 8 th race look at that fellas last 2 races . He just glided him around and got cut off twice in the stretch and waited and surged no whip . A sign of greatness.
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What a drive with that trotter last night in the 8 th race look at that fellas last 2 races . He just glided him around and got cut off twice in the stretch and waited and surged no whip . A sign of greatness.
He win 4 last night at the Meds
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A simple fact in life. It's not what you know. it's WHO YOU KNOW.
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A simple fact in life. It's not what you know. it's WHO YOU KNOW.
That's just a poor excuse used by people who fail because they are too lazy or stupid.
That's how I was taught.
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That's just a poor excuse used by people who fail because they are too lazy or stupid.
That's how I was taught.
I dont agree with you often but you are 100 per cent correct with this statement.
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I dont agree with you often but you are 100 per cent correct with this stdestruction.
Not always true. Sometimes a last name can carry alot of weight! Especially in this business. But for Brett he has busted ass and made big moves!
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After 3 weeks (minus 1 racing card), Brett and Mark Beckwith are DOMINATING the driver/trainer standings. Mark takes full advantage of the poorly written condition sheet and the fact that he has 4-5 owners who have BIG BUCKS..and yes, one of the hardest working trainers around. and the best part with Mark, he pushes the envelope with his use of VITAMINS, HAY and OATS, when it comes to his horses and if the state is not willing to invoke stricter rules when it comes to medications and positive test violations...it's bombs away..I don't blame him..just envious. And as far as Brett goes, I personally think you're watching a star in the making (jmo)...if he already isn't It doesn't hurt that he drives a lot of his fathers 1-9 shots....BUT, what's a father for...So at the end of 2025, both will win driver/trainer titles by a 100 wins at Toga Side note: And that is with Brett only driving 1-2 cards a week at Saratoga being in Plainridge 2 days a week the other days..and he will win that driving title also!
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The trainers with the owners that have deep pockets and buy ALL classes of horses.
BECKWITH AND MACaSSEY it sure helps
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The trainers with the owners that have deep pockets and buy ALL classes of horses.
BECKWITH AND MACaSSEY it sure helps
We all know what sure helps!
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Mark will break the record again this year he’s a on a mission
1000% AGREE