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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: KING HAKU on January 18, 2025, 08:43:36 PM
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I watched the race beautiful.
Very rare to see a triple dead heat there was some good racing at the Meadowlands tonight.
Thank you Mr. Gural for keeping racing alive in New Jersey!
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the over/under on threads started about this was 3.5
I am shocked there is only 1 so far
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Was definitely something to see, as I've never witnessed a triple DH before last evening.
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It would have been nice if they took a photo of all 3 together in the winner's circle instead of separately. The Meadows had a triple dead heat back in 2009, and it just missed being a 4 way dead heat.
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Was definitely something to see, as I've never witnessed a triple DH before last evening.
It was a first for me
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Thank you for keeping racing alive at Meadowlands, Mr Gural, sounds like something Jason (hand puppet) Settlemoir would say, as he's shining Gural's shoes.
why would you be so unappreciative of what Gural has created?
You sound like that fucking lowlife jealous Mutt who had a tape recorder in his pocket like a fucking balless cunt
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This is so rare that the last triple dead heat I saw was at Rosecroft in the late 70's, and I've watched many thousands of races.
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why would you be so unappreciative of what Gural has created?
You sound like that fucking lowlife jealous Mutt who had a tape recorder in his pocket like a fucking balless cunt
Thanks for the kind words, first time I've been referred to me as a lowlife. He saved Meadowlands because he was hoping for a casino to be built so he could make millions. Tell me, what has he actually created? They race twice a week with too many amateur races. The top drivers don't drive in the winter because the racing product stinks. He couldn't care less about the average bettor. Why should I be grateful to him because I could care less if they closed tomorrow. If you want to be a cheerleader for the great Mr Gural, go right ahead, but count me out.
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i have watched the last few Saturdays at big m
exciting racing and good payoffs
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i have watched the last few Saturdays at big m
exciting racing and good payoffs
Do B and C drivers make it more exciting?
Do you get higher payoffs with B and C drivers?
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The racing has been pretty good with the big guns missing!!! And to top it off only 1 amateur race a weekend THANK GOD
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Thanks for the kind words, first time I've been referred to me as a lowlife. He saved Meadowlands because he was hoping for a casino to be built so he could make millions. Tell me, what has he actually created? They race twice a week with too many amateur races. The top drivers don't drive in the winter because the racing product stinks. He couldn't care less about the average bettor. Why should I be grateful to him because I could care less if they closed tomorrow. If you want to be a cheerleader for the great Mr Gural, go right ahead, but count me out.
It’s better than nothing
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Gural wanting a casino. He's supposed to. Whoever took over the Meadowlands---and nobody else had the credibility or capability to do so---would want a casino. There were no nonprofits lined up to do it, LOL. Gural, just like anyone else who was interested in taking over the Meadowlands, is a capitalist. He's for-profit. That's a good thing. I am sure every anti-Gural person on the planet would have been a lot happier and better off had a casino company taken over.
BTW, if you are pro-Gural, good for you. He doesn't have a fan club, so bet your money and shut the f%ck up. Now, if you don't like a movie, you have three choices. Stay, shut the f%ck up and watch the movie. Get up and leave, and shut the f%ck up. Get up and leave, and bitch, whine, moan, and complain about it for the rest of your life. Nobody listens to the last group. People from all three groups, go to the next movie, or don't go ever again. I couldn't care less.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Gural wanting a casino. He's supposed to. Whoever took over the Meadowlands---and nobody else had the credibility or capability to do so---would want a casino. There were no nonprofits lined up to do it, LOL. Gural, just like anyone else who was interested in taking over the Meadowlands, is a capitalist. He's for-profit. That's a good thing. I am sure every anti-Gural person on the planet would have been a lot happier and better off had a casino company taken over.
BTW, if you are pro-Gural, good for you. He doesn't have a fan club, so bet your money and shut the f%ck up. Now, if you don't like a movie, you have three choices. Stay, shut the f%ck up and watch the movie. Get up and leave, and shut the f%ck up. Get up and leave, and bitch, whine, moan, and complain about it for the rest of your life. Nobody listens to the last group. People from all three groups, go to the next movie, or don't go ever again. I couldn't care less.
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I agree with you 1000%
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I understand why Jeff Gural wants a casino, to make money, and there's nothing wrong with wanting one. My real problem is with people who feel he deserves one because he opened his wallet to save Meadowlands, like it's a sense of entitlement. The only thing I don't like about him is when he cries poor and how he's losing money on racing, and always feel the need to remind people how much money other neighboring tracks get from their casinos. He's no dummy and must have known he was probably going to lose money on racing. Not just with him, but it never sits well with me when a millionaire cries poor because he's still alot better off than most people. Just for the record, I rarely bet Meadowlands except when they have their big cards.
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I understand why Jeff Gural wants a casino, to make money, and there's nothing wrong with wanting one. My real problem is with people who feel he deserves one because he opened his wallet to save Meadowlands, like it's a sense of entitlement. The only thing I don't like about him is when he cries poor and how he's losing money on racing, and always feel the need to remind people how much money other neighboring tracks get from their casinos. He's no dummy and must have known he was probably going to lose money on racing. Not just with him, but it never sits well with me when a millionaire cries poor because he's still alot better off than most people. Just for the record, I rarely bet Meadowlands except when they have their big cards.
I hear what you're saying but if Jeff didn't take over and build the new grandstand racing would be over in New Jersey. Jeff didn't become a multimillionaire because he's a dummy I feel he's doing the best he can and I appreciate the man.
Don't pay attention to the jealous one walking around with a pocket full of cash to his name who No Doubt pissed that cash through the windows rather than helping his family.
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Getting back to building a new grandstand, was it really necessary since live attendance is very little? Did he build it thinking he'd get a casino, otherwise would he still have done it, only he can answer that. Had he not come to the rescue, I firmly believe someone else would have to a lesser degree, but without investing money in a new grandstand. I agree he's doing the best he can and probably knows the chances of having a casino built are pretty slim, especially in his lifetime. In my opinion, the casino owners in Atlantic City will continue to do everything they can to prevent a casino from being built because they already have enough competition amongst themselves.
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Getting back to building a new grandstand, was it really necessary since live attendance is very little? Did he build it thinking he'd get a casino, otherwise would he still have done it, only he can answer that. Had he not come to the rescue, I firmly believe someone else would have to a lesser degree, but without investing money in a new grandstand. I agree he's doing the best he can and probably knows the chances of having a casino built are pretty slim, especially in his lifetime. In my opinion, the casino owners in Atlantic City will continue to do everything they can to prevent a casino from being built because they already have enough competition amongst themselves.
the old grandstand was full of asbestos had to be demolished. I agree he did build it thinking he was getting a casino but I didn’t see anybody else that stepped up to the plate like Jeff did.
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Jeff Gural not only saved the MEADOWLANDS, he also breathed some life back into the sport….at least for a few more years. You really expect him to continue to be the provider of welfare without the possibility of getting a casino? If he didn’t have that “hope” he never would have spent $100mil of his own money. How can anybody have a problem with that. Yes, if you’re a horseman , you should be kissing his ass. Without him, you’re nothing. DUH!
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Jeff Gural not only saved the MEADOWLANDS, he also breathed some life back into the sport….at least for a few more years. You really expect him to continue to be the provider of welfare without the possibility of getting a casino? If he didn’t have that “hope” he never would have spent $100mil of his own money. How can anybody have a problem with that. Yes, if you’re a horseman , you should be kissing his ass. Without him, you’re nothing. DUH!
I couldn’t agree more! If it wasn’t for Jeff, there would be no racing in New Jersey! BTW he’s also a nice man.
Too that fucking MUTT with a pocket full of cash stop being so envious and jealous!
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I hear what you're saying but if Jeff didn't take over and build the new grandstand racing would be over in New Jersey. Jeff didn't become a multimillionaire because he's a dummy I feel he's doing the best he can and I appreciate the man.
Don't pay attention to the jealous one walking around with a pocket full of cash to his name who No Doubt pissed that cash through the windows rather than helping his family.
he is a dummy actually believing he would get a casino
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Does he think by mentioning about closing if things don't change, it's somehow going to put pressure on them to build a casino or else, if so, then he's sadly mistaken.
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he is a dummy actually believing he would get a casino
if you say so…
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Does he think by mentioning about closing if things don't change, it's somehow going to put pressure on them to build a casino or else, if so, then he's sadly mistaken.
He’s only stating the obvious. He will only lose money for so long. Take it as a wake up call. It’s called reality! What part of there would be no Meadowlands if not for him to do you struggle to understand? Do you have any clue the damage to the industry if there were no Meadowlands? Obviously not. Freehold never stated the obvious for a long time. When they finally announced the closing, people were in shock. How did not see that coming? At least Gural has the balls not only to put up his money, but tell you exactly where he stands. If it does close, there will be no surprises. Dude, bringing back harness racing as a standalone sport is like trying to revive Blockbuster Video. don’t you get it? Nobody gives a shit about harness racing anymore, the world has moved on to much more exciting types of betting.
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I agree with you, nobody wants to keep funding a bad investment. It would definitely hurt the industry if they closed, so I am not clueless as you think. I'm not sure there's an answer without a casino which in my eyes is a longshot. I was not shocked with the closing of Freehold. The quality of racing and purses have been terrible for years and there's no way they were making money. I don't think you can compare Freehold to Meadowlands because even in its heyday, which was a long time ago, it was nowhere close to being on the same level with Meadowlands. I started going to the track at Brandywine Raceway in the late 1960's. I also went to Liberty Bell and Garden State alot. All three have been closed for decades which is unfortunate because all of them had good racing.
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I agree with you, nobody wants to keep funding a bad investment. It would definitely hurt the industry if they closed, so I am not clueless as you think. I'm not sure there's an answer without a casino which in my eyes is a longshot. I was not shocked with the closing of Freehold. The quality of racing and purses have been terrible for years and there's no way they were making money. I don't think you can compare Freehold to Meadowlands because even in its heyday, which was a long time ago, it was nowhere close to being on the same level with Meadowlands. I started going to the track at Brandywine Raceway in the late 1960's. I also went to Liberty Bell and Garden State alot. All three have been closed for decades which is unfortunate because all of them had good racing.
I raced at Brandywine, Liberty Bell and Garden State until the end. Brandywine in the 70”s was the best! I sold my stable and went into the corporate world in 87. Best move I ever made. Never looked back but have a tiny interest in a horse racing at Yonkers that races tonight. When AC casinos opened, harness racing died
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If Brandywine Raceway could have stayed open for a few more years, most likely they would have had a casino, and with their location would have made a fortune, and their purses would have been the highest at any harness track.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Gural wanting a casino. He's supposed to. Whoever took over the Meadowlands---and nobody else had the credibility or capability to do so---would want a casino. There were no nonprofits lined up to do it, LOL. Gural, just like anyone else who was interested in taking over the Meadowlands, is a capitalist. He's for-profit. That's a good thing. I am sure every anti-Gural person on the planet would have been a lot happier and better off had a casino company taken over.
BTW, if you are pro-Gural, good for you. He doesn't have a fan club, so bet your money and shut the f%ck up. Now, if you don't like a movie, you have three choices. Stay, shut the f%ck up and watch the movie. Get up and leave, and shut the f%ck up. Get up and leave, and bitch, whine, moan, and complain about it for the rest of your life. Nobody listens to the last group. People from all three groups, go to the next movie, or don't go ever again. I couldn't care less.
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He’s only stating the obvious. He will only lose money for so long. Take it as a wake up call. It’s called reality! What part of there would be no Meadowlands if not for him to do you struggle to understand? Do you have any clue the damage to the industry if there were no Meadowlands? Obviously not. Freehold never stated the obvious for a long time. When they finally announced the closing, people were in shock. How did not see that coming? At least Gural has the balls not only to put up his money, but tell you exactly where he stands. If it does close, there will be no surprises. Dude, bringing back harness racing as a standalone sport is like trying to revive Blockbuster Video. don’t you get it? Nobody gives a shit about harness racing anymore, the world has moved on to much more exciting types of betting.
GREAT POST!
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I hear what you're saying but if Jeff didn't take over and build the new grandstand racing would be over in New Jersey. Jeff didn't become a multimillionaire because he's a dummy I feel he's doing the best he can and I appreciate the man.
Don't pay attention to the jealous one walking around with a pocket full of cash to his name who No Doubt pissed that cash through the windows rather than helping his family.
Isn't it the beginning of the end right now with the driving colony racing here in December 2024 and January 2025?
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If Brandywine Raceway could have stayed open for a few more years, most likely they would have had a casino, and with their location would have made a fortune, and their purses would have been the highest at any harness track.
The same could be said about Roosevelt raceway. 100 percent it would have one of those NYS VLT casino's similar to Resorts at Aqueduct.
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Isn't it the beginning of the end right now with the driving colony racing here in December 2024 and January 2025?
you bring up a good point!
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no its not the beginning of the end
who the hell do you think is going to be driving in the big races in 10 years
the guys doing it now will all be gone
were do you think the replacements are coming from
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no its not the beginning of the end
who the hell do you think is going to be driving in the big races in 10 years
the guys doing it now will all be gone
were do you think the replacements are coming from
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They will be lucky if there is a single harness track left in 10 years.
But to answer the OP question from an earlier thread. Only 3 young guns have the hands, reflexes and brains to move forward in the big leagues. Herschberger, Ahli and Boyd.
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They will be lucky if there is a single harness track left in 10 years.
But to answer the OP question from an earlier thread. Only 3 young guns have the hands, reflexes and brains to move forward in the big leagues. Herschberger, Ahli and Boyd.
Sometimes there is a recency bias in terms of who has been successful at the tracks one watches, but if you are looking at the Meadowlands during the slack season, those three are certainly showing their skills. I would add Brett Beckworth to the grouping.
I DO disagree about there being only one track left in ten years as there are several states and casino/track setups that I think will mete out enough in purses for them to survive and possibly even thrive. I also think that if fixed odds wagering grows, this can change the entire picture for wagering on the horses. However, this is a chicken/egg situations as there needs to be enough action over time for them to have sufficient money in the pools at the time the fixed odds are given so that they aren't "booking" the bets.
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Sometimes there is a recency bias in terms of who has been successful at the tracks one watches, but if you are looking at the Meadowlands during the slack season, those three are certainly showing their skills. I would add Brett Beckworth to the grouping.
I DO disagree about there being only one track left in ten years as there are several states and casino/track setups that I think will mete out enough in purses for them to survive and possibly even thrive. I also think that if fixed odds wagering grows, this can change the entire picture for wagering on the horses. However, this is a chicken/egg situations as there needs to be enough action over time for them to have sufficient money in the pools at the time the fixed odds are given so that they aren't "booking" the bets.
I agree with wheat you say. The sad part is that because of casinos and sports betting, harness racing can never support itself without welfare. A issue I see is that FL was able to “decouple.” Where and when will the next “decoupling” fall? I don;t think this will ever go away???
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Please look up the driving colony at The Meadowlands in December 2023! Pretty close talent wise. I raced one at The Meadowlands in December 2023. It was pretty scary to see the driver you got!
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I think that’s another contributing factor the driving colony.
Back in the 80s you had Campbell, OD -Remmen -Wright -Webster -Gilmore Cat- Gags ect.
I think serious gamblers feel reassured when they have a top driver driving a horse that they bet on.