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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Any1Left on January 16, 2025, 11:05:48 AM
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Like many on here my dad brought me to the track and seeing huge scores when prices showed up excited me and then those big tickets arrived at my doorstep plus the racetrack characters were plenty back then and you could sit way back at GREENWOOD and MOHAWK and still be part of the game,,,,,,,,,,, MY QUESTION is to gamblers and horsemen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WILL YOUR children be the next generation or does the buck stop here and by looking at empty winners circles and when people do show up i never see a young person,,,,,,,,,,,,i thought in my young day that the WAPLES CLAN AND robinson CLAN would dominate for a long time with MURRY KIETH AND RON all having sons in the bussiness and bill robinson with his huge operation having sons in the bussiness,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,on the gamblers side almost no one i hung out with has children in the game and most players quit or died,,,,,,,,,,
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the next generation wont be kids of trainers. for the most part it will be broke grooms who worked for trainers who think they can do it better. some may succeed but i feel most will not.
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They’ll still be a lot of nepotism going on which is a good thing since a lot of young aren’t entering the business like they did years ago. For instance, I remember back in the mid 70’s they started a BOCES program for High School kids in the Vernon-Rome, NY area to learn aspects of the harness racing industry to help get them to work at VD or elsewhere.
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They’ll still be a lot of nepotism going on which is a good thing since a lot of young aren’t entering the business like they did years ago. For instance, I remember back in the mid 70’s they started a BOCES program for High School kids in the Vernon-Rome, NY area to learn aspects of the harness racing industry to help get them to work at VD or elsewhere.
BIILY O JACKIE MO TIM TETRICK JOHN CAMBELL ,,,,,CAT MANZI,,,,,,,,RON PIERCE,,,,,,STEVE CONDREN,,,,AND MANY OTHER GREATS did they not have kids,,,,,,,,
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its just not happening.
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its just not happening.
Very true indeed
times have changed
cell phones, casinos, sports betting, social media, YouTube, craft beers and flavored liquors are directing younger people away from golf, pinochle, baseball, horse racing, etc
times have changed dramatically-i liked it better when you had to go to the track to get a bet in
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we are all here for the fizzle.
fizzling out.
unless they make drastic changes.
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BIILY O JACKIE MO TIM TETRICK JOHN CAMBELL ,,,,,CAT MANZI,,,,,,,,RON PIERCE,,,,,,STEVE CONDREN,,,,AND MANY OTHER GREATS did they not have kids,,,,,,,,
Or at least none that they claimed were theirs.
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My children have 0 interest in buggy racing
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My children have 0 interest in buggy racing
i think the answer from gamblers will be close to ZERO,,,,,,,,,,,What kid these days like single file small price racing with corrupted pools,,,,,,,,,Answer no one,,,,,,,,,,,,But lets keep it hush and dont talk about and it will go away,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The future people running the game will be children of the generation that killed it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Also you would have to hate your kids to introduce them to harness racing today but the one plus is that less people from horse racing will be members of G.A,,,,,,,,
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at some point with any business you have to decide is it a growth business worthy of investment of just a mature business that has seen its best days and you just ride it out and try to make as much as you can before the end comes
there is definitely some sub par people involved in the management of harness racing , history proves that
but i am not sure even the brightest folks with a significant budget could make a measurable difference
i dont see harness racing becoming extinct anytime soon , ky, ohio , ontario are too strong
but as a business for sale i would not even kick the tires
just going along for the ride right now
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at some point with any business you have to decide is it a growth business worthy of investment of just a mature business that has seen its best days and you just ride it out and try to make as much as you can before the end comes
there is definitely some sub par people involved in the management of harness racing , history proves that
but i am not sure even the brightest folks with a significant budget could make a measurable difference
i dont see harness racing becoming extinct anytime soon , ky, ohio , ontario are too strong
but as a business for sale i would not even kick the tires
just going along for the ride right now
this is very well said and it where we are at tmbz1
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My dad never took me to the races. I actually took my parents to Yonkers for a Tarport Hap Silk Stockings sires stakes and cleaned up on that exacta. They were impressed almost as much as the night I told them to watch the Channel 9 replays because I knew I would win Bergstein's weekly contest that week.
I took my kid to meet our stakes horse when he was 8 or so but he didn't care. Even though I spent most of his formative years either at the track or Sports Haven every night he never cared about the horses at all.
Eventually he did get a little interest in Poker as it exploded in the early 2000s but gambling was not his strong suit. My point is that there were so many options by then on gambling and so many scandals in harness that unless you were born into the business, had horses, or lived within 30 miles of a track there was little to entice younger people to take up harness.
Today with CAWs taking over the pools it's only worse. I don't see any way that any young person who has half a brain and good at numbers would want to gamble on harness.
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That's why attendance at racetracks are almost nonexistent these days, the old people who used to go are all dying off and there's no one to replace them.
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at some point with any business you have to decide is it a growth business worthy of investment of just a mature business that has seen its best days and you just ride it out and try to make as much as you can before the end comes
there is definitely some sub par people involved in the management of harness racing , history proves that
but i am not sure even the brightest folks with a significant budget could make a measurable difference
i dont see harness racing becoming extinct anytime soon , ky, ohio , ontario are too strong
but as a business for sale i would not even kick the tires
just going along for the ride right now
I WOULD AGREE THIS POST IS DEAD ON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,25,yEARS AGO i was in vegas and betting horses and i talked with the guy who ran the sports book who came from running racetracks and he told me that in all the years he worked at racetracks that he only ran into one person who was good at his job and that the gambling business is like no other business and people could not come from corporite places and take over and you had to fully understand gambling to operate a gaming business,,,,,,,,,,,,, One thing GORDON RAMSEY has always said is you have to taste the food to be a good chef and all racetracks run with number crunchers and a place like GREAT CANADIAN CASINO WHO RUNS RACETRACKS AND CASINOS AS POOR AS ANYONE COULD TO ME IS unbelievable as every decision that is made is 100 percent wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,,,When they first opened a casino in B.C THEY OFFERED ZERO COMPS AS IT WAS THE ONLY CASINO IN THAT AREA AND THEY FIGURED IT OUT THAT WHY GIVE UP ANYTHING AS THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE TO PLAY BUT MANY HUGE PLAYERS AFTER AWHILE BEGAN TO GO ELSEWHERE AS THEY WERE USED TO ROYAL TREATMENT AND WITH RACETRACKS THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WRONG AND WITH POKER THEY TAKE MILES THE HIGHEST RAKE IN NORTH AMERICA,,,,,Flamboro and fRASER are run so poorly and betting dollars have showed no interest in either product.......... ...
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Who the he’ll would want their kid to grow up and be involved In Horse racing or grow up to be a gambler? Bad parenting right there, let alone set up a ‘career day’ at a school 😂😂😂😂🙅🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️😂😂😂
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My children have 0 interest in buggy racing
they have zero interest in you as well
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Who the he’ll would want their kid to grow up and be involved In Horse racing or grow up to be a gambler? Bad parenting right there, let alone set up a ‘career day’ at a school 😂😂😂😂🙅🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️😂😂😂
What a game,,,,,,,,,,no pride and everyone is embaresed by it ,,,,,,,,,,,, everbody bets in the last second so they can see the money and if your horse is not been bet right hes a stiff,,,,,,,,tHE KEY TO ANY GAMING IS VALUE BUT NOT HARNESS RACING,,,,,,,,IS IT NOT FUN WHEN YOU BET A HUGE OVERLAY AND HES SITTING 9TH AFTER GIVING UP 3 HOLES AND HES 3 LENGTHS GAPPED TO THE HORSE IN FRONT OF HIM,,,,,,,,,
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First rule in business, those that were in charge of a demise should never be involved with coming up with a solution. And there's a solution, of course there is. But until you get fresh blood in there, the sport/game has zero chance to survive the downward trajectory its been on for over a decade. There are capable people that can fix both the supply (i.e. breeding) and the demand (i.e. increasing handle) sides. The obvious solution is get all the jurisdictions together to come up with a mutual agreement on how to address the differences in participation. Having Michigan and Chicago go to zero is not in the best interests of the sport. Having Yonkers and Gural fighting non stop might be the death knell for racing. As for the demand side, well that's simple. You hire someone competent to address all that ails that file. CAW's bye bye, stupid bets like those that Mohawk comes up with--gone immediately. Just my thoughts after sending it in and driving to every little track from PEI to Pompano
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Why in the hell would you want your kids involved in harness racing? Do you really want to try and spend the day at the track with your kid? They will not be amused. Teach them about football, ya got a better shot, it's more interesting. And they probably bet it already. Has anybody seen the renditions of the new Yonkers, there isn't a track. Gural is 83 how long is he gonna last.
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Why in the hell would you want your kids involved in harness racing? Do you really want to try and spend the day at the track with your kid? They will not be amused. Teach them about football, ya got a better shot, it's more interesting. And they probably bet it already. Has anybody seen the renditions of the new Yonkers, there isn't a track. Gural is 83 how long is he gonna last.
its sad to say but if they come to you and say dad its between crack cocaine and harness racing put them on to the crack,,,,,,,,
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That's a careless and cruel thing to say and I'm sure if you give enough thought, you could re-phrase it another way. Plus, i have many friends who live incredible rich and happy lives working in the industry cheek by jowl with their family. I see it even more when I visit my friends at Keenland.
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That's a careless and cruel thing to say and I'm sure if you give enough thought, you could re-phrase it another way. Plus, i have many friends who live incredible rich and happy lives working in the industry cheek by jowl with their family. I see it even more when I visit my friends at Keenland.
like i said in the previous post your posts have kindness written over them but to me i do not think you see all sides and i to have traveled to every track at one point and enjoyed it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,A few years back i went to a GREEK breakfast place near my house and the owner was an everyday player who said some of the most vile things after loosing hes money and that day there were 5 of his friends at his restaurant and i asked him why did he wish death the previous day on drivers after loosing his money and he told me that his whole life he has been cheated with owning horses to betting on them and all he wanted was a fair play and with all his work he was in huge trouble as he had no money and the business was going broke and all he said the day before he meant and his friends felt the same way and i left feeling sad but i tried to see things his way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,next all hard working players who have put their life into being good at their craft are getting killed and i am saying all as its speed tracks with single file racing on speed tracks with corrupted pools and many are suffering from this plus true fans are been cheated by this poor product,,,,,,,i know of many people who have commited suicide over the years and only knew one well and he sold racing forms for 40 years and was told they are getting rid of that crew and he asked management to place him somewhere else as every dollar he had was lost through the windows and they said no and he sued and one day his lawyer called and said the court closed the case and he went to the fourth floor at woodbine and jumped,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,next i ran into a horseman who trained at BLUE BONNETS IN montreal and he told me that he only knew one life and that was training horses and he was always broke and owed everyone and when they closed he thought life was over and he went to work and today 15 years later he bought a house and owns a business and at the time that blue bonnets went broke he did not want to go on but he had a kid and he told me that he has not watched a race in 15 years,,,,,,, Only management and cheat come out smelling like roses in this game and so few others and AGENT Q WE CAN FIND GOOD IN EVERYTHING BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PACKAGE,,,,,,,
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im following this thread with interest....one question...what does CAW stand for?....
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Computer Assisted Wagering
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im following this thread with interest....one question...what does CAW stand for?....
computer assisted wagering
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they have zero interest in you as well
Feed your horses