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Title: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: makingit on January 10, 2025, 06:59:10 PM
Saw in the fines and suspension bulletin today that Nap used his whip in the winners circle. How does one do that?
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Scooteroo on January 10, 2025, 07:46:58 PM
I saw it happen live. After he unhooked the left side of the sulky which he rarely does, the horse kicked back at him and he smacked him in the ass with his whip. Trainer Sean Bier was standing right there when it happened, but they're buddy buddy.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: bello on January 10, 2025, 07:50:25 PM
Not exactly the same but Paco Lopez got 18 months for whipping an unruly thoroughbred he was on after a race. What a difference in punishments. Harness racing needs HISA to survive.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: makingit on January 10, 2025, 07:57:46 PM
Thanks gh2009
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Scooteroo on January 10, 2025, 08:05:30 PM
Not exactly the same but Paco Lopez got 18 months for whipping an unruly thoroughbred he was on after a race. What a difference in punishments. Harness racing needs HISA to survive.

Paco already had 10 previous whipping violations in the past which definitely factored into their decision.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: 2beblunt on January 10, 2025, 08:06:41 PM
All it was is a tap of the whip cmon
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: bello on January 10, 2025, 08:09:58 PM
All it was is a tap of the whip cmon

I didnt see it. If so I should not have jumped in!
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Scooteroo on January 10, 2025, 08:23:17 PM
All it was is a tap of the whip cmon

I agree, it wasn't a vicious slash, more letting the horse know he didn't like being kicked at. Horses have big asses, so it barely even feels the whip. Surprised the blind judges even saw it happen unless someone tipped them off.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Harness racer on January 10, 2025, 09:14:18 PM
I agree, it wasn't a vicious slash, more letting the horse know he didn't like being kicked at. Horses have big asses, so it barely even feels the whip. Surprised the blind judges even saw it happen unless someone tipped them off.

Someone surely told.  They don’t pay attention to that stuff.  Bier wouldn’t say a word no matter how hard he hit the horse.  Too scared he’d cut them off!   tmbz1
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: 2beblunt on January 10, 2025, 09:21:43 PM
Its also Georgie Nap not a Dover inbred
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Kirbys Ace on January 10, 2025, 09:41:24 PM
Someone surely told.  They don’t pay attention to that stuff.  Bier wouldn’t say a word no matter how hard he hit the horse.  Too scared he’d cut them off!   tmbz1

Bier couldn't train a horse to shit until Nap came along!
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Locked in with pace on January 11, 2025, 06:14:29 AM
Just watched the replay. Horses get hit 10 times harder down the lane. A horse that kicks can be a serious problem. More of a teaching lesson tap for the horse.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Yonkers1A on January 11, 2025, 07:42:51 AM
I agree, it wasn't a vicious slash, more letting the horse know he didn't like being kicked at. Horses have big asses, so it barely even feels the whip. Surprised the blind judges even saw it happen unless someone tipped them off.

Horses definitely feel it, they may have big asses, however they can feel a fly land on them, let alone a whip.

Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: hoosierboy on January 11, 2025, 08:00:27 AM
Just watched the replay. Horses get hit 10 times harder down the lane. A horse that kicks can be a serious problem. More of a teaching lesson tap for the horse.

Agree
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on January 11, 2025, 09:40:51 AM
Apples and bowling balls. What Lopez did was abusive and punitive. What George did was disincentive. If it hadn't happened front and center there would be no fine. This sport and industry has more than enough substantial issues and problems to deal with. Optics can be important. Relative though. However, we shouldn't be concerned about the ones that overblown due to cosmetics and overreaction.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: AgentQ on January 11, 2025, 12:59:33 PM
ANap can drive one that's for damn sure, he's the US version of Rick Zeron. Been in the game a lifetime and can train one as well, with a healthy UTRS to prove it. But, just like tricky Ricky, nobody is ever going to mix him up with a real horsemen. As for the love tap, no big deal there and hardly a Paco Lopez equivalency.
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: Scooteroo on January 11, 2025, 01:16:52 PM
We're talking about George not Anthony
Title: Re: George Nap Fined For Use of Whip In Winners Circle ?
Post by: AgentQ on January 11, 2025, 01:20:16 PM
Duly noted sir--my bad
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