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Title: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: TimTimTimbo on January 06, 2025, 11:59:23 PM
I'm from NZ but there was a horse in the late 70's named Maori's Idol who had 46 starts for 40 wins and 4 seconds.

Here is a couple of races from way back. He was also the first trotter in Australia to break the two minute barrier 48 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZi1qnzMHQ0

The trotters were 100 yards worse than him. He raced in the Aussie Grand Circuit against the best pacers they had there and won twice and was beaten by the champion pacer at the time in Rip Van Winkle

One of his victims was a famous Pacer named Paleface Adios who had the following line 240 starts 108 wins-43 seconds-25 thirds

I was lucky enough to own a trotter who broke the 2600 meter record in New Zealand not only for a trotter but he was the only trotter to break a NZ record held by a pacer.  My only regret was not running against them in a race. In workouts and trials he would routinely beat the crap out of good pacers. He was voted NZ trotter of the year twice though.

Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: SeattleSlew on January 07, 2025, 11:01:49 AM
To the best of my knowledge, here in the U.S. a horse out of Roll With Joe (sire of Twin B. Fresh), set the double-gaited record of 3:45.1 by pacing in 1:50.2 (winning over 6 figures) and then trotting in 1:54.4 at Hoosier Park.

That is clearly nowhere near having a top trotter beat a good pacer, but it is fairly impressive.  Sounds like there are several really promising horses down under this year. (follow mostly on HRU and watch some of the top races.)
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: Junebug990 on January 07, 2025, 11:26:38 AM
Years ago I remember Herve had a trotter that used to race at Yonkers and Roosevelt called Grade Singing. The name maybe wrong but I apologize for that. That horse raced against open pacers and won from the 8 post.
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: kantseeback on January 07, 2025, 01:17:07 PM
Years ago I remember Herve had a trotter that used to race at Yonkers and Roosevelt called Grade Singing. The name maybe wrong but I apologize for that. That horse raced against open pacers and won from the 8 post.

I remember Grades Singing racing against pacers 2 times at YR. She won 1 and lost 1. I don't think any of those pacers were top notch, it was just gimmick racing.
The last double gaited horse I remember was years ago, Six Day War. He won trot and pace races. Not big stake races but I believe handicap level or so.
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: chester on January 07, 2025, 02:47:41 PM
I remember Six Day War and also Speedy Romeo as both double gaited
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: old guy on January 07, 2025, 04:06:05 PM
Crockett and Steamin Demon
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: Mazola on January 07, 2025, 06:09:46 PM
Gerry Mir
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 12:20:08 PM
Paladin in the Chicago circuit was double gaited.   Not terribly good at either gait, but he won races.   
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: Parked on January 08, 2025, 02:54:48 PM
Have not seen any trotting bred pacers lately. In the 60. - 80 s. They were fairly common.
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: carl baldwin on January 08, 2025, 03:00:12 PM
I remember Six Day War and also Speedy Romeo as both double gaited
Six Day War sire was Niatross.
Title: Re: Great trotters who beat great pacers
Post by: jupiter on January 08, 2025, 03:26:55 PM
Excaliber   Freddy Haslip Buffalo/Batavia
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