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Title: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: bond on January 04, 2025, 05:18:05 AM
Im not a gambler-so im ignorant of how CAW and ADW work--but Ive always wondered why Meadowlands handles so much and places like Yonkers,Chester, Pocono-very low.
They all offer rebates correct??
Somehow-it seems to be very profitable for them at the Meadowlands--but not anywhere else.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Yonkers1A on January 04, 2025, 07:05:00 AM
Im not a gambler-so im ignorant of how CAW and ADW work--but Ive always wondered why Meadowlands handles so much and places like Yonkers,Chester, Pocono-very low.
They all offer rebates correct??
Somehow-it seems to be very profitable for them at the Meadowlands--but not anywhere else.

My guess is there is too much cheating at Jonkers and the computers can’t figure out who go the the envelope.

Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Papillon on January 04, 2025, 07:21:02 AM
Gural gives Elite a bigger rebate than other tracks

he is basically giving away his signal to make his handle look better for those who still believe he isn't doing that
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Scooteroo on January 04, 2025, 07:31:06 AM
He also gets his lapdog Settlemoir to print the same BS article almost every week about how great the handle is even though he knows where alot of it comes from.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on January 04, 2025, 08:51:21 AM
Gural gives Elite a bigger rebate than other tracks

he is basically giving away his signal to make his handle look better for those who still believe he isn't doing that

The state subsidy deal was always dependent on proving it increases handle. It's all smoke and mirrors. Until Jessica Otten opened the bag a bit to us
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on January 04, 2025, 08:54:47 AM
He also gets his lapdog Settlemoir to print the same BS article almost every week about how great the handle is even though he knows where alot of it comes from.

He's making sure get maintains the 5mil from the state. This whole situation is very very bad
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Newt Lobell on January 04, 2025, 11:28:38 AM
Im not a gambler-so im ignorant of how CAW and ADW work--but Ive always wondered why Meadowlands handles so much and places like Yonkers,Chester, Pocono-very low.
They all offer rebates correct??
Somehow-it seems to be very profitable for them at the Meadowlands--but not anywhere else.


My guess is that the pools are just too small to expend time and resources.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: SAW on January 04, 2025, 12:45:41 PM
He's making sure get maintains the 5mil from the state. This whole situation is very very bad

The state subsidy deal was always dependent on proving it increases handle. It's all smoke and mirrors. Until Jessica Otten opened the bag a bit to us

Quit making stuff up!!!

Like it or not CAWs and/or rebates have been around longer than the state subsidies. They have nothing to do with artificially increasing handle.

Your argument is smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Superfecta on January 05, 2025, 07:46:57 AM
Quit making stuff up!!!
Your argument is smoke and mirrors.

Why do you live with your head buried in the sand ??
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: JENNY FROM THE BLOCK on January 05, 2025, 07:56:15 AM
they should close betting 1 minute before the race goes off. that would fix gate calling 3000 tickets in the last second or even 11 seconds into the race.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Scooteroo on January 05, 2025, 08:15:30 AM
They'll never admit it, but tracks don't really care if there's a few second gate call because it helps their handle.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Superfecta on January 05, 2025, 08:39:15 AM
They'll never admit it, but tracks don't really care if there's a few second gate call because it helps their handle.

Look at Monticello. They let Andrew H fix races there his entire life and they benefited with his huge handle. They gave him a desk, 3 tv monitors and a private teller to make sure he got all of his plays in.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: PIGLAND on January 05, 2025, 08:54:21 AM
My guess is there is too much cheating at Jonkers and the computers can’t figure out who go the the envelope.
agree
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: PIGLAND on January 05, 2025, 08:57:49 AM
Look at Monticello. They let Andrew H fix races there his entire life and they benefited with his huge handle. They gave him a desk, 3 tv monitors and a private teller to make sure he got all of his plays in.
sad
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: SAW on January 05, 2025, 02:19:32 PM
Why do you live with your head buried in the sand ??

Quit making stuff up!!!

Like it or not CAWs and/or rebates have been around longer than the state subsidies. They have nothing to do with artificially increasing handle.

Your argument is smoke and mirrors.

Like I said "CAWs and/or rebates have been around longer than the state subsidies." He insinuated CAWS are meant to increase handle to keep the subsidies. That is blantly FALSE. I belive they started in 2019.

People on PLOP have been complaining about CAWS/Rebates since this article came out in 2013.

https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/1-11-13/gural-discusses-rebating-whales.html

We can talk about FACTS, not half the CRAP on here that is just made-up.

NO head in the sand..
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on January 05, 2025, 03:26:36 PM
An absolutely excellent question! You should make the question clear and concise----and email it to----Joe Faraldo, Brian O'Dwyer, Robert Williams, Gary Pretlow, Bill Hornbuckle, Paul Salem, Kathy Hochul, and several others. At least you will have the possibility of getting an answer based upon facts.
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on January 05, 2025, 03:29:32 PM
I'm aware of how long CAWS have been in existence. Early 2000s I was 100% aware of them in t-breds. I'm not saying the meadolands invented them. I'm saying they work with them to ensure handle. Everyone knew this for years and years. It took jessica otten to piss everyone off again by congratulating them a few weeks ago
Title: Re: Can someone explain to me why there is no CAW betting at Yonkers ??
Post by: PIGLAND on January 05, 2025, 07:21:04 PM
jonkers should race for purse money only
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