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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wizardofoz on December 25, 2024, 03:02:03 PM
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Of these, who is the CLEANEST?
Trainers by Current Year Earnings
Name Wins Earnings
Ron J Burke 840 $22,886,468
Ake Svanstedt 131 $8,232,018
Per Engblom 356 $7,347,993
Marcus M Melander 104 $6,591,296
Travis M Alexander 264 $6,577,510
Nancy C Takter 127 $6,210,534
Erv M Miller 286 $5,645,049
Tony P Alagna 143 $5,494,182
Virgil V Morgan Jr 270 $5,320,768
Jeff W Cullipher 337 $4,880,032
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By leaps and bounds. Jeff Cullipher. I don’t think I have ever seen one of his winners noticeably juiced.. EVER…
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Cullipher trains a lot for the Pollack Racing of PA a lot.
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Cullipher trains a lot for the Pollack Racing of PA a lot.
Only him.
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Only him.
Randy Bendis trains for Pollack for a few horses too. All of them used to be associated with Tony O Sullivan back when he was training.
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virgil has an operation. he is by no means going in a stall and tubing one or giving a shot. the vets do whatever gets done. he may test the waters a lil bit. i just think he has a good operation with lots of horses. he may win a lot of races but he has a lot of horses. and very seldom do his horses look out of their mind running out of their skin good.
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virgil has an operation. he is by no means going in a stall and tubing one or giving a shot. the vets do whatever gets done. he may test the waters a lil bit. i just think he has a good operation with lots of horses. he may win a lot of races but he has a lot of horses. and very seldom do his horses look out of their mind running out of their skin good.
Agree.
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Ake, Melander, Alagna, & Culliper would be most likely. The first 3 get many well bred babies. They only need a fraction to be good to have good horses. Culliper doesn't seem to have out of the ordinary results. His main owner spends big too.
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agree to most of that list of 4
alagna gets the best of the best and get all the best training and supplements, he makes a lot of money even when the horses dont so unlikely to risk that
ake is the trotting master but i do believe he was "asked " to leave sweden
no issue with melander and cullipher
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Names certainly pile up for the bottom spot. Its like a 4 or 5 way dead heat.
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agree to most of that list of 4
alagna gets the best of the best and get all the best training and supplements, he makes a lot of money even when the horses dont so unlikely to risk that
ake is the trotting master but i do believe he was "asked " to leave sweden
no issue with melander and cullipher
I do not believe Ake's alleged Swedish problem was drug-related; rather, cruelty-related. I find that shocking looking at both the condition and temperaments of his horses, so if true, certainly hasn't continued here. I also don't believe he ended up actually being charged.
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AS was investigated----I don't know if he was actually charged and there was a process that they went through---based upon allegations from a former assistant trainer. The investigation was for animal-cruelty. According to the investigation, a second trainer, who had been fired, said that (long before he got fired) AS asked him to use an electrical prod. Sour grapes? I wonder why he/she didn't come forward at the time of the alleged crime? Right, let's not confuse fact with conspiracy theory or BS.
Originally the investigation said two assistant trainers made the claim, but in the end only one made a formal statement. The one was an assistant who was fired and a disgruntled former employee (no, he/she wasn't fired over the alleged prod incident).
After a long investigation, whatever was started----was stopped. The investigation was dropped, if a charge was filed then it was dropped and he was acquitted, whatever, and in the end, he was exonerated. After all this, he was voted into the Hall of Fame (in Sweden). According to several horsemen, AS is eligible to race (train/drive) in Sweden.
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How soon after AS was investigated did he come here to the USA?
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his horses always look awesome but he trains them hard
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How soon after AS was investigated did he come here to the USA?
IIRC, AS came here around 2014, and the incident allegedly occurred in 2008 but the disgruntled employee didn't some forward until 2010 or 2011. The investigation was dropped shortly after it started. He was allowed to train, drive, and operate all during the investigation because the evidence was simply one person making a claim. I was told they "raided" his facility and found nothing.
Anyway, Jan Johnson introduced me to AS originally. From what he told me, he had over 200 horses in Sweden, raced full steam ahead 12 months a year, didn't have winter training for the babies, etc., and he just didn't want that kind of life and business model anymore---and that was the primary reason for coming here. He said the thought of winter training in FL was kind of taking it easy and having an off-season so to speak. Regardless, I am sure people will say he got thrown out of Sweden.
When he originally got here, and he finally got settled, he had about 50 horses. He's gotten bigger now of course. He winters at his own facility in Vero Beach, FL. I've been there. It's a great facility. It is common knowledge that AS does things differently, one of which is that his training program is based upon "interval training." I've been to his farm in NJ and one of the things he has there (as well as in FL) is a straight-away track that he trains horses on. It's a different type of surface, it's deep, and is part of the interval training program. People say he trains them hard, very fast, for speed, excessive speed, etc.----but unless you are at his training center, watch what he does, clocks them, etc.----I say that is nothing more than innuendo and rumor, and uneducated conclusions because some of his horses don't race as much/often as other trainers race theirs. Ironically, this is commonplace in Sweden and throughout Europe.
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Every conditioner on that list is treating their racing stock one way or another, they wouldnt be on that list if they were not.
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How is the Dexamethasone situation going to be explained away?
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Everyone of those have had positives. They wouldn’t be on that list if they weren’t preracing
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Everyone of those have had positives. They wouldn’t be on that list if they weren’t preracing
Every conditioner on that list is treating their racing stock one way or another, they wouldnt be on that list if they were not.
Absolutely. Without question or discussion. If a trainer is racing on hay, oats, and water, he/she is at a competitive disadvantage, by far. If the traditional, old-fashion definition of pre-racing is treating a horse day of, and someone is not doing that----their horses are still on a "program" of some sort, for training and racing. Big difference between a positive test for a therapeutic, legal, etc., drug----and some designer, exotic, compound(ed) substance which has zero business being on a track or farm.
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Accusations of animal abuse with a pig prod? no problem. The uprooted family Florida story sounds good.
Win a major stakes and have to forfeit the purse due to a drug positive?, no problem, everyone cheats.
Interval training? Lots of people consider it cruel to horses? Who cares, no problem.
Seems like everything is no problem this industry, winners circle pictures are great to hang on the office's walls
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Randy Bendis trains for Pollack for a few horses too. All of them used to be associated with Tony O Sullivan back when he was training.
You forgot Smitty...