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Title: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 21, 2024, 03:52:06 PM
   The mandatory HI-5 payout is Thursday on an afternoon card. This has always been my favorite bet and they make the mandatory payout on an afternoon card where most Americans are back to work after a holiday. Way to COMPLETELY FUCK OVER your sponsors.  I thought they were better than that. 
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Yonkers1A on December 21, 2024, 04:24:22 PM
   The mandatory HI-5 payout is Thursday on an afternoon card. This has always been my favorite bet and they make the mandatory payout on an afternoon card where most Americans are back to work after a holiday. Way to COMPLETELY FUCK OVER your sponsors.  I thought they were better than that.

We celebrate Boxing Day here

Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Frank the Zipper on December 21, 2024, 06:50:56 PM
Make sure you box your bets
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Post by: Brown jug on December 21, 2024, 07:02:38 PM
back in the day boxing day card at greenwood was huge
americans are back at work on dec 26?? wtf !!
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MCR on December 21, 2024, 07:20:06 PM
Love this place!!!
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Post by: mwins on December 21, 2024, 08:13:20 PM
Just so you know we have a different Yhanksgiving as well lol.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: oh canada on December 21, 2024, 09:15:59 PM
Just so you know we have a different Yhanksgiving as well lol.
This is our way of getting back at Trump for his tariff threats. No mandatory payouts for you !! take that you damn yankees !! ;D
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: gogasgoboom on December 21, 2024, 09:33:17 PM
Canada first.
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Post by: Bitter Truth on December 21, 2024, 10:13:24 PM
Don't forget Labor vs Industry days. Gotta love those crazy Canadians eh'? tmbz1
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Frank the Zipper on December 21, 2024, 11:54:23 PM
Don't you mean "Labour" Day?
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Harness racer on December 22, 2024, 06:16:30 AM
Canadians...The retarded cousins of France!   ngc3
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Brown jug on December 22, 2024, 08:17:06 AM
harness racer, that comment only applies to our prime minister justine trudope and his band of fools
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Post by: shuffledagain on December 22, 2024, 12:51:50 PM
Who works?  Get some tmbz1!
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: mwins on December 22, 2024, 04:44:57 PM
Never hear tbred players whine about afternoon racing.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: pylon on December 22, 2024, 05:14:55 PM
Boxing Day cards in the afternoon have been carded for years.........i guess the original poster thought us Canucks were dissing poor old Yankees
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 22, 2024, 11:10:32 PM
Boxing Day cards in the afternoon have been carded for years.........i guess the original poster thought us Canucks were dissing poor old Yankees
   Then run the fuckin Boxing Day card in the afternoon. That’s not the bitch.  The bitch is every cent of that carryover was created on evening post times with contributions from USA  (probably most of it) . Now there is a mandatory payout and it’s in the afternoon on a work day for all of the USA PLAYERS getting the shaft. Bad move. Puts a bad taste in my mouth to the point I may turn back to the meadowlands.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Jctoronto on December 22, 2024, 11:31:38 PM
Lots of whining for nothing

Two trailers expected in 12 horse 12th at Mohawk Holiday Thursday Dec 26 and that biiig 20cent HI5 carryover mandatory payout.

Post time 5:23p et. 

Should be few work excuses with that.

(and for the record, the nonsense that the Canadian bettors have gone through with many American harness tracks is legendary.)
ONE DOLLAR MINIMUMS FOR CANADIANS ON ALL BETS TO PLAY AT:
Monticello, Pocono, Rosecroft, Yonkers, Freehold, Harrah's Philly, Philadelphia Park, has been outrageous for years.
Canadians have helped these pools out for years. No 10 cent or 20 cent or 50 centers .
Whoever's to blame for that from Canada or the US really deserves a kick in the ass.

Anyway, good luck w that 12th Boxing Day card Thursday.
(And for those that care, Western Fair London, Ont. and Red Shores Charlottetown PEI will also be going that aft )
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: gogasgoboom on December 23, 2024, 08:26:03 AM
   Then run the fuckin Boxing Day card in the afternoon. That’s not the bitch.  The bitch is every cent of that carryover was created on evening post times with contributions from USA  (probably most of it) . Now there is a mandatory payout and it’s in the afternoon on a work day for all of the USA PLAYERS getting the shaft. Bad move. Puts a bad taste in my mouth to the point I may turn back to the meadowlands.

Imagine that, play the victim and follow up with a threat. ngc3
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Stan durbread on December 23, 2024, 08:53:12 AM
Do good handicappers go to work?  Or is that just the lottery players
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 23, 2024, 09:53:01 AM
Lots of whining for nothing

Two trailers expected in 12 horse 12th at Mohawk Holiday Thursday Dec 26 and that biiig 20cent HI5 carryover mandatory payout.

Post time 5:23p et. 

Should be few work excuses with that.


(and for the record, the nonsense that the Canadian bettors have gone through with many American harness tracks is legendary.)
ONE DOLLAR MINIMUMS FOR CANADIANS ON ALL BETS TO PLAY AT:
Monticello, Pocono, Rosecroft, Yonkers, Freehold, Harrah's Philly, Philadelphia Park, has been outrageous for years.
Canadians have helped these pools out for years. No 10 cent or 20 cent or 50 centers .
Whoever's to blame for that from Canada or the US really deserves a kick in the ass.

Anyway, good luck w that 12th Boxing Day card Thursday.
(And for those that care, Western Fair London, Ont. and Red Shores Charlottetown PEI will also be going that aft )

For nothing? I’ll whine about that too.  Changing a wager from .50 to a dollar has everything to do with the difference in value between the currency. It has nothing to do with changing the post times.  EVERY HI 5 race GENERATING the carry over has been at night.. now the big payout is in the afternoon on a work day. COMPLETELY IGNORANT AND WRONG. Post time 4:32 my time. I leave work at 5. But who gives a fuck about one better. Unfortunately when I feel fucked over i find a new entity where I spend my money. I hate to say that because Mohawk has been exciting and good for me. I will now concentrate on the Meadowlands. 
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: SoulAssassin on December 23, 2024, 07:37:56 PM
I thot u were serious until u said mohawk was exciting. in da world of inbreds ur cuzins must be da ugliest 4 to use mohawk and exciting in da same sentence. allso in wut world is 50 cents american worth 1 dolla canadian? yous all kinds of confused freak, da brothas have to work in canada on boxing day 2 how else wood da races run? sorry ur missin out on da shaft
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on December 23, 2024, 08:36:38 PM
You can never please everyone.
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Post by: Brown jug on December 23, 2024, 10:10:09 PM
im waiting for  mohawk to have 5 or 6 amateur races per night before i start wagering
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Post by: ferdinand the bull on December 23, 2024, 11:59:34 PM
Not a bad idea
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Post by: racefan127 on December 24, 2024, 01:37:33 AM
I thot u were serious until u said mohawk was exciting. in da world of inbreds ur cuzins must be da ugliest 4 to use mohawk and exciting in da same sentence. allso in wut world is 50 cents american worth 1 dolla canadian? yous all kinds of confused freak, da brothas have to work in canada on boxing day 2 how else wood da races run? sorry ur missin out on da shaft

Inbreds? Us Canadians ain't that bad

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/old+pacing+pilot
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Mohawk mac on December 24, 2024, 06:14:59 AM
Wo Mo Boxing Day program for Canadians, Americans and Misc. Plopsters.

https://woodbine.com/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/free_programs/Free_Program_WOH_2024-12-26.pdf
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Scooteroo on December 24, 2024, 08:16:36 AM
   Then run the fuckin Boxing Day card in the afternoon. That’s not the bitch.  The bitch is every cent of that carryover was created on evening post times with contributions from USA  (probably most of it) . Now there is a mandatory payout and it’s in the afternoon on a work day for all of the USA PLAYERS getting the shaft. Bad move. Puts a bad taste in my mouth to the point I may turn back to the meadowlands.

Don't you have an account with an ADW or OTB you could bet with because you have to work.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: mwins on December 24, 2024, 08:46:17 AM
Totally outrageous.

Next thing you know they will also run The Little Brown Jug on a Thursday afternoon as well.

You should boycott that as well.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 24, 2024, 10:41:13 AM
Don't you have an account with an ADW or OTB you could bet with because you have to work.

   My state blocked my wagering account about 2 months ago. They cracked down. Nearest OtB is 20 minutes away. I get off work at 5.. I have already thrown all my Mohawk programs away.  Fuckem . I will move on. Like I said before I feel raped and totally let down. Hard to swallow.  I won’t even look at the results. 
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 24, 2024, 10:46:14 AM
Never hear tbred players whine about afternoon racing.
   I bet you would hear them whine if their rainbow pick 6 carryover of 2 million   Had a mandatory payout on New Year’s Eve at 11pm.  Same scenario.  I promise you someone would get FIRED. 
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Bitter Truth on December 24, 2024, 12:02:45 PM
Don't sell yourself short Freak. After reading your in depth commentary on the Driver's dick thread,
I bet you can swallow alot. ngc3 11.wp
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 24, 2024, 12:41:04 PM
Don't sell yourself short Freak. After reading your in depth commentary on the Driver's dick thread,
I bet you can swallow alot. ngc3 11.wp
   My buddy asked me once if he gave me 50k would I give him a blow job: i told him 5.00 to start and 50k to stop.   
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Loose Horse on December 25, 2024, 01:53:48 PM
2023 was boxing afternoon
2022 friday, 23 night

I remember some big P7 pools in the afternoon at Greenwood.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Stan durbread on December 25, 2024, 03:25:15 PM
   My state blocked my wagering account about 2 months ago. They cracked down. Nearest OtB is 20 minutes away. I get off work at 5.. I have already thrown all my Mohawk programs away.  Fuckem . I will move on. Like I said before I feel raped and totally let down. Hard to swallow.  I won’t even look at the results.

You been crying about getting beat out of a $52k carry over for a week. WTF. They always go with mandatory payooon big handle days. Take the day off early if you think you can hit it.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 25, 2024, 03:47:58 PM
You been crying about getting beat out of a $52k carry over for a week. WTF. They always go with mandatory payooon big handle days. Take the day off early if you think you can hit it.

   52k ????? Try like 300k.  And I will whine about it until I’m done. Don’t like it? Don’t listen.  Gamblers dream about mandatory pay outs. THEN THEY FUCK US.   
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Harness Stats on December 25, 2024, 05:47:11 PM
   My state blocked my wagering account about 2 months ago. They cracked down. Nearest OtB is 20 minutes away I have already thrown all my Mohawk programs away. 
If you say so but why would your state "crack down" on your account?  Isin't there more than one betting platform available where you are?  As for Mohawk programs every single one since August of 2022 is still available for download on the Mohawk Woodbine website.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 25, 2024, 11:05:40 PM
If you say so but why would your state "crack down" on your account?  Isin't there more than one betting platform available where you are?  As for Mohawk programs every single one since August of 2022 is still available for download on the Mohawk Woodbine website.
   I live in a state that does not have online wagering. I had an account but some politician decided to enforce the law. Every one else too got blocked also.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Stan durbread on December 26, 2024, 05:52:18 PM
   I live in a state that does not have online wagering. I had an account but some politician decided to enforce the law. Every one else too got blocked also.

Be glad you missed out. The management at AGCO just took down the pot
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on December 27, 2024, 07:37:09 AM
Be glad you missed out. The management at AGCO just took down the pot
    Not so glad I didn’t get a ticket. Like I said before the race. I will not patronize Woodbine Mohawk. I will concentrate on other tracks that might care.    This makes two tracks on my list now. Hoosier and Mohawk.  Hoosier I haven’t wagered for 2 years.  They insist on rolling the gate at the exact same moment as the Meadowlands. They have HOP horses and drivers running in big events and they say NOTHING.Zero promotion of the sport. Now Mohawk can stick it in their ASS. Don’t anyone accuse me of being a whiny bitch either. If you run a track then FUCKING know who your customers are!!!!!
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Scooteroo on December 27, 2024, 08:36:02 AM
    Not so glad I didn’t get a ticket. Like I said before the race. I will not patronize Woodbine Mohawk. I will concentrate on other tracks that might care.    This makes two tracks on my list now. Hoosier and Mohawk.  Hoosier I haven’t wagered for 2 years.  They insist on rolling the gate at the exact same moment as the Meadowlands. They have HOP horses and drivers running in big events and they say NOTHING.Zero promotion of the sport. Now Mohawk can stick it in their ASS. Don’t anyone accuse me of being a whiny bitch either. If you run a track then FUCKING know who your customers are!!!!!

Do you honestly think many tracks really cares about the bettors? If they did, they'd coordinate their post times so not to overlap with races going off at other major tracks at or about the same time. Tracks are in it for themselves and no one else. I can't stand it when I have bets at 2 different tracks whose races are in progress at the same time. I end up watching one on a big screen and the other on a mini one. This can cause you to miss things that happened during the race you could use for future reference. When simulcasting first started, the PA Turf Clubs would carry 4 tracks a night and that's it so there was no overlapping, unfortunately with all the ADW's and OTB's, it's every man for themselves!
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on December 27, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
I get it, the monies from the nightly races creates a pool which is going to be paid out from a daytime race card. Do I think the track intentionally tried to screw people. No. Handle is fungible. A dollar is a dollar. On the other hand, do I think tracks truly care about bettors? Aside from big bettors, no. Nothing new there. It's the casino vs. racetrack discussion.

If you saw the pool as having your money in it, and you felt you had a good chance to hit it---then you do what you have to do to play the card. If you can't because of work, sorry, tough luck. If you can't because your account got shut down or you got locked out, again that's on you. Not the track's fault (unless they shut it down, LOL). Bottom line is if you are a casual player, this is the game you chose to play. If you are a professional, then this doesn't apply to you. It is what it is, and if you don't like go find another game. It's a harsh reality. The premier tracks will survive, they will be the only ones left, and eventually they will thrive. It's the John Deere story.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Scooteroo on December 27, 2024, 01:11:49 PM
I get it, the monies from the nightly races creates a pool which is going to be paid out from a daytime race card. Do I think the track intentionally tried to screw people. No. Handle is fungible. A dollar is a dollar. On the other hand, do I think tracks truly care about bettors? Aside from big bettors, no. Nothing new there. It's the casino vs. racetrack discussion.

If you saw the pool as having your money in it, and you felt you had a good chance to hit it---then you do what you have to do to play the card. If you can't because of work, sorry, tough luck. If you can't because your account got shut down or you got locked out, again that's on you. Not the track's fault (unless they shut it down, LOL). Bottom line is if you are a casual player, this is the game you chose to play. If you are a professional, then this doesn't apply to you. It is what it is, and if you don't like go find another game. It's a harsh reality. The premier tracks will survive, they will be the only ones left, and eventually they will thrive. It's the John Deere story.

Mohawk first made the announcement about the mandatory payout on December 20th, which gave you 5 or 6 days to figure out a way to bet it. Even with a huge pool, I find a 12-horse field too difficult to handicap, and way too expensive to make a serious wager, so I never got involved.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on December 27, 2024, 01:35:55 PM
Mohawk first made the announcement about the mandatory payout on December 20th, which gave you 5 or 6 days to figure out a way to bet it. Even with a huge pool, I find a 12-horse field too difficult to handicap, and way too expensive to make a serious wager, so I never got involved.

I get it. It's not like they changed their post time the day before, LOL. Post time is scheduled long in advance and nobody has any idea if there's going to be a carry-over or not. It's just the way it works out.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Scooteroo on December 27, 2024, 01:48:59 PM
I get it. It's not like they changed their post time the day before, LOL. Post time is scheduled long in advance and nobody has any idea if there's going to be a carry-over or not. It's just the way it works out.

It still could have been hit on the few cards prior to the mandatory payout on December 26th, which would have made the mandatory payout pool next to nothing.
Title: Re: Mohawk gives USA the SHAFT
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on December 27, 2024, 02:00:10 PM
It still could have been hit on the few cards prior to the mandatory payout on December 26th, which would have made the mandatory payout pool next to nothing.

Absolutely. It's just the way it played out.
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