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Title: Saratoga Harness
Post by: bello on November 24, 2024, 01:25:29 PM
I have known for years not to bet this place based on inside information.

I clicked on the link to live races on my ADW while watching Harrahs Pa and the Big a and left it on.

In the first four races I saw 4 short priced horses getting parked the mile. One in each race. They all were decent posts. They all had room to tuck. They all elected to stay parked out. They all finished off the board. Still a place where the inmates run the asylum I guess,
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on November 24, 2024, 02:03:06 PM
   From top to bottom
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Giddy up on November 24, 2024, 06:42:30 PM
5th race 11/23/24 curious as to how B Beckwith can drive against a horse that his father trains ? Got to be a conflict ?
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on November 24, 2024, 07:15:54 PM
   Stop that talk next thing you’re going want integrity
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Vince Treanor on November 25, 2024, 04:55:45 PM
This is nothing personal against the Beckwith’s but racing changed for the worst when they arrived.
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Locked in with pace on November 26, 2024, 08:34:53 AM
Why? It seems personal. They both do very well. Their owners buy good horses, and they are shipped horses from the top trainers around. And as opposed to most trainers and owners, they turn their inventory. Horses are always coming and going
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on November 26, 2024, 09:13:10 AM
This is nothing personal against the Beckwith’s but racing changed for the worst when they arrived.
     Well there you have it there’s no conflict of interest as long as their both doing very well
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Locked in with pace on November 26, 2024, 09:31:58 AM
sounds to me that he WANT them to both do poorly—another jealous horseman.
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on November 26, 2024, 11:08:02 AM
     Well there you have it there’s no conflict of interest as long as their both doing very well
   Oh ya that’s it
   YOUR SUCH A DICK
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: seen2much on November 26, 2024, 11:23:30 AM
I believe Brett has some talent. His dad has been doing what he does...forever. Was Mark kicked out of Yonkers?
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: rainman2 on November 26, 2024, 10:51:51 PM
I believe Brett has some talent. His dad has been doing what he does...forever. Was Mark kicked out of Yonkers?

Brett-Some talent?  Look what he has accomplished in such a short time!

For better or worse, Mark has a 'checkered past' in some people's eyes.  I believe Mark has won 5000 races as a driver and is about 55-60 years of age.  If anyone can confirm this, please do so.

Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Yonkers1A on November 27, 2024, 06:32:12 AM
A Monticello trainer who would ship to Saratoga occasionally stopped doing it, he said at Monticello he knows who the criminals are
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Sunmoon 1219 on November 27, 2024, 07:44:39 AM
Mark Beckwith top horseman say what you want . Brett young extremely talented and very polite . Mark and Melissa raised a terrific son .
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: tumbleweed on November 27, 2024, 02:11:50 PM
Mark Beckwith top horseman say what you want . Brett young extremely talented and very polite . Mark and Melissa raised a terrific son .
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Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: Vince Treanor on November 27, 2024, 08:15:49 PM
I'm not a horseman. I'm a handicapper and fan concerned with the rise and fall of American harness racing. Mark has not been good for the credibility of the sport. He was particularly egregious at Rosecroft. The public believes the races are fixed and that's been the death nell of the sport, and Mark has not done anything to dispel that phenomenon.
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: rainman2 on November 28, 2024, 10:45:54 PM
I'm not a horseman. I'm a handicapper and fan concerned with the rise and fall of American harness racing. Mark has not been good for the credibility of the sport. He was particularly egregious at Rosecroft. The public believes the races are fixed and that's been the death nell of the sport, and Mark has not done anything to dispel that phenomenon.

Maybe you become an owner and see things from the inside.  Maybe, just maybe you might get a different perspective on this. 
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: kantseeback on November 29, 2024, 04:00:18 AM
Maybe you become an owner and see things from the inside.  Maybe, just maybe you might get a different perspective on this.

Someday the welfare will end. Maybe you sir will have a different prospective when a racetrack has to survive with 10 fans and anemic pools.
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: rainman2 on November 29, 2024, 12:59:17 PM
Someday the welfare will end. Maybe you sir will have a different prospective when a racetrack has to survive with 10 fans and anemic pools.

You already have “anemic pools” at quite a few tracks!!  Your point is??
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on November 29, 2024, 01:50:01 PM
You already have “anemic pools” at quite a few tracks!!  Your point is??

Gamblers are aware of the history of cheating and don't care about any owners or your own perspective that includes condoning it
Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: rainman2 on November 29, 2024, 02:36:43 PM
Gamblers are aware of the history of cheating and don't care about any owners or your own perspective that includes condoning it

FYI, many owners, drivers, and trainers are aware of the history of “cheating”.  Look at the big scandals at Yonkers/Roosevelt many years ago at the betting windows!
A curious question—do owners bet money into the pools today??

As there is not enough money in the pools to ‘make a score’ today, many owners and trainers turn to “therapeutic” ways to enhance their checkbooks. Just a different version of ‘cheating’!

Title: Re: Saratoga Harness
Post by: rainman2 on November 29, 2024, 03:42:39 PM
Someday the welfare will end. Maybe you sir will have a different prospective when a racetrack has to survive with 10 fans and anemic pools.

FYI, it already ended at Pompano Park 2.5 years ago and this was the beginning. Purses are down at Harrah’s Philadelphia, Harrah’s Hoosier Park, and Pocono Downs from years ago too.
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