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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Hay 4 sail on October 26, 2024, 12:18:26 PM
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Leads all drivers with 699 wins. Breeders Crown not one drive.
Wrenn has half of Merrimans starts, won 221 less races than Merriman but is 600k behind him in earnings. Comparing the two because they drive mostly at the same tracks.
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Merriman is a poor, brainless man’s version of Yannick and that is unfair to Yannick. He front ends everything - whether 1/9 or 60/1. If they make it great - if they don’t and back up through the field oh well. The drives he put in on Clever Cody this year were all time bad. There are 30 guys at the fairs in Ohio that could have done better. He benefited from being Beaver’s guy when Beaver was really the only guy in Ohio that had any stock.
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I was happy to see Ronnie win last night, he's a very nice and humble gentleman.
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no hands ,no idea how to rate a horse.
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16000 wins , with no hands is impressive.
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His bank account is even more impressive!
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His bank account is even more impressive!
He bounces checks according to usta. tmbz1
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His bank account is even more impressive!
impressive because it has no money?
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Talk about a butcher job, watch him on #8 in the 2nd at northfield.
What was he thinking?
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16000 wins , with no hands is impressive.
Can anyone win 16,000 and have no talent? I think not.
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His bank account is even more impressive!
I hear that! End of the week, this guy is making a good living!
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I hear that! End of the week, this guy is making a good living!
Why does he bounce checks?
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Why does he bounce checks?
Go ask him, and then you can let everyone know. I'd make sure you have the proof though. Never hurts to be prepared.
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Go ask him, and then you can let everyone know. I'd make sure you have the proof though. Never hurts to be prepared.
Could’ve been a wrong account or a number of things. I doubt the guy is actually broke even though it’s rumored he loves the casino. It appears it was quickly made good. But the fact is it happened.
https://ustrottingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Rulings-01052024a.pdf
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he is far from broke. he owns horses with various people. he owns racing pigeons. so what if he likes the casino. lots of people do. i gurantee you if one of his friends needed money he would be right there to give them whatever they needed.
as far as having no hands thats laughable. i am willing to bet if he went east he would do just fine. once he started his PR game he would get good stock to drive. to be honest the driving colony out there isnt like it use to be. their aint much out there. maybe 3 or 4 guys. and purple jesus is leaving. maybe he should go east when purple leaves.
i think you al;l would be suprised how well he would do.
oh and when he goes out there better lock yo girls up.
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I bet meadows regularly and to a lesser extent Northfield.
I will say this, Aaron tries every race and if that means leaving, so be it. BTW, he is more about being in position to win at the meadows and is great at securing the pocket at the meadows.
I imagine the haters do not watch or bet regularly. How and why will he race out east when he does doubleheaders almost daily.
Keep winning for me buddy.
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he is far from broke. he owns horses with various people. he owns racing pigeons. so what if he likes the casino. lots of people do. i gurantee you if one of his friends needed money he would be right there to give them whatever they needed.
as far as having no hands thats laughable. i am willing to bet if he went east he would do just fine. once he started his PR game he would get good stock to drive. to be honest the driving colony out there isnt like it use to be. their aint much out there. maybe 3 or 4 guys. and purple jesus is leaving. maybe he should go east when purple leaves.
i think you al;l would be suprised how well he would do.
oh and when he goes out there better lock yo girls up.
IF he went to Meadowlands he would get destroyed. If he went to Yonkers he may bat .200 but doubtful. Bartlett would never allow him to get any stock to drive and the rest of the boys are just better. Meadowlands against the top he has zero chance because he has zero brains to drive with them.
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Agree on Yonkers and M1...he wouldn't fit it and/or be welcomed. I think he would do ok at any of the other east coast tracks.
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if he went to yonkers he would probably do better than bartlett and take his old lady. im telling you dont ever underestimate the gift to gab. its public relations to get the drives from the big trainers. and whoever gets those big trainers drives will do just fine. lots of horses win on the front at yonkers and he knows how to send them.
you can take lets say a billy davis jr to yonkers. let him drive for burke, engblom alone he would do just fine. nothing against billy i think he is a fine driver and does great. doesnt matter who you are you need the stock. very few have the so called hands to make a bad horse go.
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I bet meadows regularly and to a lesser extent Northfield.
I will say this, Aaron tries every race and if that means leaving, so be it. BTW, he is more about being in position to win at the meadows and is great at securing the pocket at the meadows.
I imagine the haters do not watch or bet regularly. How and why will he race out east when he does doubleheaders almost daily.
Keep winning for me buddy.
Maybe you can explain his drive on #8 in the 2nd at northfield last night?
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he was trying to hold him together lol
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Maybe you can explain his drive on #8 in the 2nd at northfield last night?
He left against 2 horses that were better. Tuck third and tired. Not sure what the issue is.
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He left against 2 horses that were better. Tuck third and tired. Not sure what the issue is.
He choked him multiple times. And the horse ran 2nd the week before in 153. He went off 3rd choice from the 7 hole. Might have been the favorite if he drew inside.
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What percentage of horses he's driving are favorite? Less than even-money?
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just because he had him in a full nelson doesnt mean he stiffed him. like if your going to stiff then why leave at all from the 8 hole?
just duck and go around there.
unless he wanted to be second or third. ::)
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He bounces checks according to usta. tmbz1
From what I know of the situation, which isn't all that much, aaron put a stop payment on it. It didn't actually bounce. And Jenny is right, from my experience with him he is a good dude who will help out when needed.
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He has drove several of my horses and won. Don't under estimate him. He's a good driver. He seems a likeable guy. He's has drove horses at the meadowlands in some big races and held his own. I've watched all the good drivers since the early 1970's. The horse their sitting behind is just as important as the driver's skill. After driving in thousands of races most of all these top drivers can bring a good horse home.
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Even Yannick can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit.
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16,000 wins and $100m in earnings. Nobody is dumb enough to think he got that by driving for so and so, driving favorites all the time, etc. Cause and effect. He gets what he gets because of what he's accomplished. He's been doing it for 25 years. It's been what now---10 years he's been the leading driver in wins? How many drivers have won 1000 races in a year? Three? Four? And how many have done it more than once? Only him I think. What about purse money won---I think he's been in the top 10 for almost 10 years now as well.
Regardless, it's foolish to pick a drive and say, look at the bonehead move. Look at the mistake. It's very easy to drive a horse from the grandstand, and even easier from behind the keyboard. You want to talk about how good or bad a driver is, look at the entire body of experience. Over the course of a meet, a year, time. How many mistakes can he be making when he's winning at over a 20% clip? 20%! He'll succeed here, fail there, and so on. It's all conjecture. Nothing more than supposition. Look at him in all the categories that one would rate a driver. I rarely, very rarely see people talk about drivers and their sense of pace, the clock in their head, etc. I rarely see people talk about what drivers can go out and train a horse in X and be within 1/5 of a second, maybe 2/5 if the weather or track is off. I rarely see people talk about drivers hands, their finesse, their ability to keep a horse on the bit, forward, in the bridle, but relaxed, settled, etc. Look at him and see in what categories he's got strengths and weaknesses. Look at the various categories and skills that experts look at when they talk about a great driver. I think the reason most people here don't look at them...is because they don't know them. I see a select few. But not many.
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16,000 wins and $100m in earnings. Nobody is dumb enough to think he got that by driving for so and so, driving favorites all the time, etc. Cause and effect. He gets what he gets because of what he's accomplished. He's been doing it for 25 years. It's been what now---10 years he's been the leading driver in wins? How many drivers have won 1000 races in a year? Three? Four? And how many have done it more than once? Only him I think. What about purse money won---I think he's been in the top 10 for almost 10 years now as well.
Regardless, it's foolish to pick a drive and say, look at the bonehead move. Look at the mistake. It's very easy to drive a horse from the grandstand, and even easier from behind the keyboard. You want to talk about how good or bad a driver is, look at the entire body of experience. Over the course of a meet, a year, time. How many mistakes can he be making when he's winning at over a 20% clip? 20%! He'll succeed here, fail there, and so on. It's all conjecture. Nothing more than supposition. Look at him in all the categories that one would rate a driver. I rarely, very rarely see people talk about drivers and their sense of pace, the clock in their head, etc. I rarely see people talk about what drivers can go out and train a horse in X and be within 1/5 of a second, maybe 2/5 if the weather or track is off. I rarely see people talk about drivers hands, their finesse, their ability to keep a horse on the bit, forward, in the bridle, but relaxed, settled, etc. Look at him and see in what categories he's got strengths and weaknesses. Look at the various categories and skills that experts look at when they talk about a great driver. I think the reason most people here don't look at them...is because they don't know them. I see a select few. But not many.
Is it so difficult when you get the choice of drives by the best (gas) trainers at Northfield!! Take away the (gas) powered victories and where would he be? The same can be said about quite a few other drivers in North America today.
I’ll add my list of of names after others list theirs and we can see if any of us share common opinions!!
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Is it so difficult when you get the choice of drives by the best (gas) trainers at Northfield!! Take away the (gas) powered victories and where would he be? The same can be said about quite a few other drivers in North America today.
I’ll add my list of of names after others list theirs and we can see if any of us share common opinions!!
On one hand, some might say he gets these drives because of what's he's accomplished. Others may say no. Cause and effect. Chicken and egg. On the other hand, your question is unanswerable. Nothing more than speculation. So how many of the 16,000 wins are undeserved? How many of the 4000 drives a year are from a stacked deck? Because he's winning 800 of them. Did people say the same thing about Billy Parker Jr.? Dave Palone? If somebody really thinks he'd be a nobody without the drives he's getting, I disagree. Take away his # 1 barn, and he'll get the next two. Take away the top 2 barns, and he'll still get his choice. It's because of what he's accomplished. You don't get to that level by luck or simply by a stacked deck. But, that's what makes the world go 'round...different opinions.
People say similar things about Gingras. Listen, I knew the guy before he came to the US. I never thought he was the best or most talented driver to come out of Quebec, but he's gone further and accomplished more than the others who left before and after him. Does it all come from Takter? Burke? Maybe a lot of the #'s and money do, but how did he get there? I don't think he's a well-rounded, versatile driver, I don't think he's a very strategic driver, but he would not be nobody if you pulled Takter from him. Sure, his numbers might fall off a bit, but not his business. Did all of Jackie Mo's success come from Pelling and Robinson? People who say yes, have zero knowledge of the sport/business. I think Jack is light years, exponentially, a far greater, more talented driver than Gingras, and Jack did well driving for others. People just see what they want to see. I am not a Gingras fan, but he's not filling out an application at Home Depot if he loses Takter and Burke. Thanks!
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On one hand, some might say he gets these drives because of what's he's accomplished. Others may say no. Cause and effect. Chicken and egg. On the other hand, your question is unanswerable. Nothing more than speculation. So how many of the 16,000 wins are undeserved? How many of the 4000 drives a year are from a stacked deck? Because he's winning 800 of them. Did people say the same thing about Billy Parker Jr.? Dave Palone? If somebody really thinks he'd be a nobody without the drives he's getting, I disagree. Take away his # 1 barn, and he'll get the next two. Take away the top 2 barns, and he'll still get his choice. It's because of what he's accomplished. You don't get to that level by luck or simply by a stacked deck. But, that's what makes the world go 'round...different opinions.
People say similar things about Gingras. Listen, I knew the guy before he came to the US. I never thought he was the best or most talented driver to come out of Quebec, but he's gone further and accomplished more than the others who left before and after him. Does it all come from Takter? Burke? Maybe a lot of the #'s and money do, but how did he get there? I don't think he's a well-rounded, versatile driver, I don't think he's a very strategic driver, but he would not be nobody if you pulled Takter from him. Sure, his numbers might fall off a bit, but not his business. Did all of Jackie Mo's success come from Pelling and Robinson? People who say yes, have zero knowledge of the sport/business. I think Jack is light years, exponentially, a far greater, more talented driver than Gingras, and Jack did well driving for others. People just see what they want to see. I am not a Gingras fan, but he's not filling out an application at Home Depot if he loses Takter and Burke. Thanks!
Thank you for a few names I was looking for. I'm hoping others will add a few more.
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Merriman is awful. He just got beat at 1/9. Instant front. No pressure. No attempt to rate. And stopped like a 8 day clock. The red headed stepchild is the most overrated driver ever. Can’t even get a gassed up horse home.
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Merriman is awful. He just got beat at 1/9. Instant front. No pressure. No attempt to rate. And stopped like a 8 day clock. The red headed stepchild is the most overrated driver ever. Can’t even get a gassed up horse home.
If you’re talking about the 4th at northfield, that horse ran 8th 4 races in a row at Batavia, showing very little speed in any of them.
Tonight: 27:1, 56:1- no way he was going to last, even against that bottom class.
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there is so much more that goes into horses racing good and or bad. the horse could be having a bad day. maybe a stone got in the horses eye. its not easy to win a horse race. all people can do is make sure the work is done during the week and hope the driver puts them in a good position. even doped up horses lose everyday.
with that said it doesnt hurt to drive for power on the regular.
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If you’re talking about the 4th at northfield, that horse ran 8th 4 races in a row at Batavia, showing very little speed in any of them.
Tonight: 27:1, 56:1- no way he was going to last, even against that bottom class.
Correction: 3rd race
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there is so much more that goes into horses racing good and or bad. the horse could be having a bad day. maybe a stone got in the horses eye. its not easy to win a horse race. all people can do is make sure the work is done during the week and hope the driver puts them in a good position. even doped up horses lose everyday.
with that said it doesnt hurt to drive for power on the regular.
I believe there is something called form cycles. when a horse is good, it is very very good and when a horse goes bad, it is very very bad. Sometimes this an indicator of 'better feed and oats'---LOL