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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Chips N Salsa on October 19, 2024, 10:08:41 PM
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6th - should not even be in the final! - he's a 51 trotter and no more. He's nothing special folks. Hey Adam - you got hosed by Yimmy!
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6th - should not even be in the final! - he's a 51 trotter and no more. He's nothing special folks. Hey Adam - you got hosed by Yimmy!
Buying in at the top is his special
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Got in final by default. Question is will they come up with excuse and not enter him..
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TIMMY OVER DROVE HIS TROTTER SHAME HE DIDNT GET IN ..
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6th - should not even be in the final! - he's a 51 trotter and no more. He's nothing special folks. Hey Adam - you got hosed by Yimmy!
The judges got 1 right for a change! Real judges at the meadowlands??
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Tony Adams will jog next week. Karl should be retired
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Tony Adams will jog next week. Karl should be retired
I think you might be right.
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Tony Adams will jog next week. Karl should be retired
Tony Adams was jammed up with a pocket trip behind a huge war and had horse but still did very little running and could win but not with my money as i am sure he will be a way over bet horse in a very poor field of 3 year olds,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If KARL got the right trip and was a bit of a price he could win and i believe that no one will get the respect of being a machine so this race will be run real hard,,,,,,,, It is wide open,,,,,,,,
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Gingras said he was on Lasix 1st time as he bled the start before. He looks quite average of late.
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Karl is done - Lasix was excuse to try and cover up that he is a 51 trotter and no more. He found is speed early because of Yannick poor driving of a 2yr and he has not gotten any better. Look at all the 2yo world records Yannick has then go look those horses up at 3yo and you will find they either didn't come back at all or never got any faster or better. He is the worst driver in the world for a two yr old because he doesn't teach them shit except go to front and march.
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Karl should race next week as he has nothing to lose off his last starts. If he trips out and wins, he will redeem himself
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I think most of you turds will be surprised next week
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I think most of you turds will be surprised next week
surprised at how much worse he gets from week to week?
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Karl is a nice trotter but not the best trotter ever. He has bad front feet or his ankles.
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They're all still gonna breed to him, they have no choice but back their own Stud. He looks like he was a hell of a 2 yr old, and an OK 3 yr old, who won the Hambo. I can't wait till they announce the stud fee. I'll take a proven sire over him, still a great 2 yr old. Might be another Donerail.
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TIMMY OVER DROVE HIS TROTTER SHAME HE DIDNT GET IN ..
I agree Luc! Timmy is one of the best of all time but he is having a horrible stake season. Picked off some that turned out to be good and been taken off others and the horse improved.
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have to think this is his last race if he doesn't fire
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/10-21-24/karl-bows-out-breeders-crown.html
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/10-21-24/karl-bows-out-breeders-crown.html
Who didn't see that coming.
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I gotta say, I wouldn't have bet money on this. LOL.
I really thought he raced mediocre at best last week. He finished last---except for horses that broke and a horse that couldn't finish blowing out a candle, LOL. But unless he's simply "no good" I expected Jimmy to work on him, get him right and race him back. Scratching him just tells me Jimmy doesn't want to de-value him more than he already has. It's a shame. I was hoping to see him take a lot of money in the final, LOL.
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Scoped sick lol.. apparently he's been sick for a month or two because each performance has gotten worse. He probably would have gone off the favorite in the final depending on the draw. A fitting way to end his career. We will see in a couple years what kind of sire he is.. but I'm not holding my breath. After he busts out as a sire maybe the ownership group will say he's impotent lol
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“I regretfully am announcing that Karl will not be entered into the Breeders Crown final. After his race on Saturday, he was scoped and found to be sick,” Takter said in a social media post on Monday (Oct. 21). “After discussions with my partners and further tests by our veterinarian, we have collectively decided that it would not be fair to race Karl without being certain of his complete health. This was a very sad decision to make, but I know it’s the right decision to make. Karl has had an incredible career and has brought us all immense joy and excitement. I must and will always prioritize his future well-being and ensure he is given the best chance for a healthy recovery.”......and horse owners are supposed to believe this nonsense? They never scope sick when they win, only when they lose. JOKE!
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The way TCI ran last week with 1st time lasix was a big improvement over his previous form. If he repeats that race, he'll be tough to beat. Sig Sauer got away slowly from the rail and seemed content just to make the finals.
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that will put Highland Kismet in final.
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Scoped sick lol.. apparently he's been sick for a month or two because each performance has gotten worse. He probably would have gone off the favorite in the final depending on the draw. A fitting way to end his career. We will see in a couple years what kind of sire he is.. but I'm not holding my breath. After he busts out as a sire maybe the ownership group will say he's impotent lol
I would have praying all week that he would have.
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The way TCI ran last week with 1st time lasix was a big improvement over his previous form. If he repeats that race, he'll be tough to beat. Sig Sauer got away slowly from the rail and seemed content just to make the finals.
I’m sure Burke will do all he can but TCI has not fired in back to back starts since July
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That was before he added lasix. Last week he took alot more money than I thought he should, so somebody knew something.
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What BS. There is almost zero chance he is sound.
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If any 3 year old in north AMERICA raced in the MARCH OF DIMES THAT WAS WON BY sugarcane hanover they would be 100-1 and run last it is a real bad year for 3 year olds,,,,,,,,,,NO SEX PLEASE AND SCENIC REGAL WERE 99-1 IN THAT RACE AND BOTH WERE WAY BETTER THAN KARL who is not a top 50 horse of all time,,,,,,,,,,,,
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So Nancy says he scoped sick after KY Futurity and now after BC Elim? She didn't scope him after he trained prior to BC? So he was good after he trained and then sick for BC or you raced him sick? Why not just come clean and say "He can't trot any faster than this and he's sore and we can't patch him together anymore" I would love to know how mad Adam Bowden has to be right now? I would ask for my money back and send that one packing.
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I doubt Adam is mad at all He thinks everything Jimmy says is the gospel. Hell Adam probably thinks it’s an honor that Jimmy wanted him to have Karl. What Adam needs to realize is the big farms aren’t knocking the door down to get Takter horses even more so now that TDS looks like another dud, that’s why he goes to Diamond Creek
Is Muscle Mass the best stud Takters have had go to stud? Father Patrick to me isn’t what they hyped him to be and I don’t count Always Be Miki as he got him late in his career. I guess one could say Kadabra but he was awesome with Homer at 2.
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i think diamond creek might have more stallions than broodmares???
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Don’t forget TRIXTON
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Nancy is beautiful.
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She's too plump for my liking and I hate her voice.
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And CAPTAIN CRUNCH
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Nancy is beautiful.
I think she looks pretty sweet too!
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I doubt Adam is mad at all He thinks everything Jimmy says is the gospel. Hell Adam probably thinks it’s an honor that Jimmy wanted him to have Karl. What Adam needs to realize is the big farms aren’t knocking the door down to get Takter horses even more so now that TDS looks like another dud, that’s why he goes to Diamond Creek
Is Muscle Mass the best stud Takters have had go to stud? Father Patrick to me isn’t what they hyped him to be and I don’t count Always Be Miki as he got him late in his career. I guess one could say Kadabra but he was awesome with Homer at 2.
Takter made Tactical Landing! Without Jimmy’s work he would have never made it. I would say Tactical Landing is a great stud and will continue to have some outstanding offspring.
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Takter made Tactical Landing! Without Jimmy’s work he would have never made it. I would say Tactical Landing is a great stud and will continue to have some outstanding offspring.
Agree he got Tactical Landing good for a handful of starts before he retired.
And I would say good, not great, sire to date. A couple really nice ones but a good bit of mediocrity under that.
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I think the breed is different today, and while there has been dilution, at the same time the horses of today are bred for more and easier speed. Today breaking yearlings is simple, they are mostly broken already, LOL.
Look back in the 70's and where leading stallions came from. Look at the 80's and the 90's. How many stallions did Bill Robinson make---taking into consideration the # of top horses he had? I think it's easier to make a stallion today---not necessarily a good one, LOL---but in the long run, the breed is getting diluted.
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KARL was exposed and now he took the cowards way out and retired. Better keep the stud fee between 5/7K
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tactical Landing sire the last 2 Hambo winners? I think better then average Causal Fan.
Nancy has an ass on her like a Montana Pack Mule. Mohawk go rub one out to that visual.
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She's too plump for my liking and I hate her voice.
Just imagine you are getting it on and she yells out Trump's name in ecstasy, who she worships
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I'll muzzle her!
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I think the breed is different today, and while there has been dilution, at the same time the horses of today are bred for more and easier speed. Today breaking yearlings is simple, they are mostly broken already, LOL.
Look back in the 70's and where leading stallions came from. Look at the 80's and the 90's. How many stallions did Bill Robinson make---taking into consideration the # of top horses he had? I think it's easier to make a stallion today---not necessarily a good one, LOL---but in the long run, the breed is getting diluted.
Feels like the easy speed has created the dilution as it has led to horses becoming studs that probably shouldn’t have. For instance why is Volume Eight standing at Hanover. He is a Chapter Seven out of a 53 Encore Encore mare with zero back pedigree on her side. Trotting in 53 just isn’t that big of a deal anymore. He himself was a very nice two year old but small with minimal starts. I wouldn’t put him in a class with 2 year old Karl or TCI.
There are just a ton of average horses that caught decent records by racing at the Meadowlands or The Red Mile who now cover more mares than they should. This has also diluted the open trot classes worst of all.
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I agree that Takter is another Bill Robinson when it goes to studs. Good racehorses but were they "fake?" For the amount of studs Takter has retired they aren't good in the shed.
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I have no idea what his stud fee is going to be. I think it will one end of the barbel so to speak. Either they will make it $10k or $12.5k (15k is the cap IMO) and position him as a strong, well accomplished, strong value, horse/stallion, who will be second girl at the dance. He'll probably do very well----with the proof in the pudding being his first two-three crops. Or, they will price him at $20k or higher and announce his book full and closed within 7 minutes. They will sell a few token shares, a few "incentive" shares, breed a lot of their own, quietly sell some "incentive" seasons, sell a few people to breed to him, pool the income, and create the facade of a successful stallion. His first 2-3 crops will be average, with a few nice horses here and there, and then in a few years he'll be moved somewhere else. With a high stud fee, and the latter, he won't have a chance at being a good stallion.
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I agree that Takter is another Bill Robinson when it goes to studs. Good racehorses but were they "fake?" For the amount of studs Takter has retired they aren't good in the shed.
Cams Card Shark, Mach Three, Presidential Ball, Art Major, Precious Bunny were respectable stallions from Bill..
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Just imagine you are getting it on and she yells out Trump's name in ecstasy, who she worships
Thats a plus... tmbz1
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I guess respectable is a relative and subjective term, LOL. I was a fan of Cams Card Shark, if only because I had a share in Cam Fella, LOL. He did sire some good horses, a handful of million-dollar earners, and had some good accomplishments as a stud. Bettors Delight in my mind is going to be the most important offspring, primarily because he continues the Meadow Skipper sire line. This is very, very important!
Presidential Ball as a stallion, eh, not so much in my mind. Precious Bunny, stood in NY for almost the first 10 years of his stallion career, before he was exported to NZ. Bunny Lake is probably his greatest claim to fame, although I was a admirer of Stout as a young horse. So-so there. IMO, Mach Three and Art Major are in a completely different discussion compared to the others.
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Barry.G said that Manchego is going to Karl
They're going to get some decent mares for him, that's 100%
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KARL was exposed and now he took the cowards way out and retired. Better keep the stud fee between 5/7K
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tactical Landing sire the last 2 Hambo winners? I think better then average Causal Fan.
Nancy has an ass on her like a Montana Pack Mule. Mohawk go rub one out to that visual.
I'm not a fan of Karl but saying his stud fee should be 5k - 7k shows everyone you have no clue regarding Hambo champs and Million$ winners @ 2&3 who have also won some big races, showed a ton of 2 year old speed(very important).
I'm not saying he will be a top stud, but to completely dismiss him is so idiotic & ignorant
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I think it'll be 15k. Maybe a little high but most breeders will take a shot, he's the new best thing. You know Diamond Creek and Crawford have a vested interest in strongly supporting him. His first book of mares will be interesting.
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I think it'll be 15k. Maybe a little high but most breeders will take a shot, he's the new best thing. You know Diamond Creek and Crawford have a vested interest in strongly supporting him. His first book of mares will be interesting.
This feels right to me, too, in terms of what will actually happen. I would argue it should be a bit lower, but $15k seems realistic.
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Believe me, I think that 15 is high too, but he was a great 2 yr old, won the Hambo. Ya gotta remember, PRIDE!! They have to make him legit.
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He's down to 7 in the standardbred poll, how far will he fall?
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He's retired
like this thread should be
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yannick ruined karl
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He's retired
like this thread should be
Amen to that tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1.. Even though I just added to it. Sorry LOL
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yannick ruined karl
I don't like Yannick very much as a driver, especially for young trotters, but I don't think you can pin this on him. I don't really feel he overdrove him and the horse appears to have struggled with soundness/gait over two seasons.
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Believe me, I think that 15 is high too, but he was a great 2 yr old, won the Hambo. Ya gotta remember, PRIDE!! They have to make him legit.
You're right. Too low and they appear to be conceding he's just above average.