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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Grandstand Handicapper on October 10, 2024, 10:10:07 PM
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like this.....none other than HOF'er Carmine Abbatiello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNcETgxGayY
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When it's on TV, you're exposed to the pudgy Jessica Otten.
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T-Breds have Woodford Reserve, We have Schaefers ;D
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That commercial had so many takes that all participants were exhausted .
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I think Roosevelt Raceway had some sort of deal with wild turkey. Wild turkey posters were plastered all over their track.
Advertisers always think of the bottom line. The ad you posted is from many moons ago when people knew who Carmine was. Today most people would scratch their head if you asked them what harness racing is.
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Most of the on-air commentators at TVG/Fan Duel know zero about harness racing. One of the hosts, Christina Blacker referred to the sulky as a carriage, and the starting gate as the car.
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I find it very boring to post as if you look at many of the topics you will see topics that just make no sense as MANY p diddy topics are showing up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Now this topic i like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Now the last post the guy said that people in this sport have no knowledge of this sport and that is true but the people that have knowledge believe that hiding the truths are good for the game and can you imagine the four top guys in this game having random people asking questions on live tv about this sport,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, How would that go when someone would ask if there is enough done about the drugs in the sport or when asked do you thing the fans are respected by the drivers or management that run this sport,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Or the greatist trainer in the history of this sport in CANADA and THE USA ARE WILLIAN ROBINSON AND RICHARD MOREAU AND CASIE COLEMAN in CANADA and in the USA THE GREATIST are RON BURKE AND BRETT PELLING and JIMMY TAKTER and does anyone think you get fair plays from the heros of this sport and when was the last time the 8 best drivers in the world traveled to one racetrack in a rural place and put on a show with all the money going to charity or even did this at the BIG M AND WHO IS A LOVED LEGEND THAT WOULD BRING A CROWD OF PEOPLE TO THE TRACK and watch horses leaving the gate dropping from 5-1 to 9-5,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The people that run this sport now need to lie as the truth is way to ugly to talk about and no kid anywhere in NORTH AMERICA has a picture on their wall at home with James mac or DAVID MILLER IN THEIR ROOM,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lETS GO ONE MORE AND I WULD SAY THAT NO KID HAS A PICTURE OF SOMEBEACHSOMEWHER E on their wall so lets not talk about the heros and get the villions out of the game and reset and last a few days ago Amac doing a podcast popped up on my you tube and it was the first one i have ever seen and the entire time he was talking about the bargains that you were getting and he would of paid 150k for a horse that went for 65k and after hearing all the stupidity i noticed that no one could comment as comments were disabled as i wanted to read comments,,,,,,,,,,,,,,how fffffff,,,,,,,,d is that,,,
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TVG/Fan Duel is primarily a network which caters to thoroughbred racing but do cover the bigger harness tracks. I said most of their commentators know little or nothing about harness racing. The one commentator who knows the most is Dave Weaver who happens to be the brother of Mark Weaver who is part of the Weaver/Bruscemi partnership who employ Ron Burke as the trainer of their large stable. You're correct, you rarely hear any of the bad stuff that goes on in racing on their network, but their main job is to get you wager, not to tarnish the sport regardless of if they know anything or not. I go on the Harness Racing Update website alot. They have a group of writers who write weekly stories and none of them ever mention anything negative about harness racing. If they know anything they just turn a blind eye to it.
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TVG/Fan Duel is primarily a network which caters to thoroughbred racing but do cover the bigger harness tracks. I said most of their commentators know little or nothing about harness racing. The one commentator who knows the most is Dave Weaver who happens to be the brother of Mark Weaver who is part of the Weaver/Bruscemi partnership who employ Ron Burke as the trainer of their large stable. You're correct, you rarely hear any of the bad stuff that goes on in racing on their network, but their main job is to get you wager, not to tarnish the sport regardless of if they know anything or not.
So let me get this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Get people to bet with hiding the truths that we can all see as a horse that runs 7th and then has RICHIE BANCA the next week and paying 3.80 should not be talked about and lets pretend one had seen it and lets go on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,No trainer or driver would sit in front of fans and take open questions about this sport and everyone would want all questions to be BS QUESTIONS and if you had knowledgeable people talking truth they would be fired and in what world does that work,,,,,,,,,,,,
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You're assuming everyone knows about all the drugs in the sport, I extremely doubt most of them know anything about it. People are hired to do the job their employer tells them to do, and most aren't going to jeopardize their jobs by spilling the beans if they have knowledge of it. I'm just offering my opinion, doesn't make me right or wrong. We can agree there isn't enough policing in the game because no one wants to spend the money to investigate it, so nothing happens.
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The Ed Sullivan Sunday Night Show
Stanley Dancer and Cardigan Bay
Del Insko twice
Any one else ever make an appearance?
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Years ago Montrell Teague was on with Regis Philbin because the Teagues had a horse named "Regis the Horse" Today's shows book guests who everyone has heard of so getting someone on from harness racing isn't going tom happen because it will bore the audience.
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The Ed Sullivan Sunday Night Show
Stanley Dancer and Cardigan Bay
Del Insko twice
Any one else ever make an appearance?
Exactly my point that you can promote something that is honest and Del insko and DANCER could be interviewed and honest at that time as the game was legit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CARDIGAN BAY was a great horse that never had the public think a drug induced horse,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Joe o Brien was not giving up holes and HOUGHTAN and DANCER and garnsey were great names to promote with,,,,,,,,,,,,
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As the older people are dying off, the interest in harness racing is dwindling forcing the closure of many tracks. I remember going to the old Georgetown Raceway in Delaware as kid. The racing was pretty cheap and all the purses were $500. Back then, drivers would whip their horses before the quarter just to keep a hole closed even if it meant overusing their horse. That stuff never happens these days because most drivers are buddy, buddy.
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As the older people are dying off, the interest in harness racing is dwindling forcing the closure of many tracks. I remember going to the old Georgetown Raceway in Delaware as kid. The racing was pretty cheap and all the purses were $500. Back then, drivers would whip their horses before the quarter just to keep a hole closed even if it meant overusing their horse. That stuff never happens these days because most drivers are buddy, buddy.
iT DID NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY IF WE HAD TRUE HEROS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CAN WE PROMOTE RON BURKE OR RICHARD MOREAU and they are number one in the last 20 years in CANADA AND THE USA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,If drivers respected the game or its fans they would close holes,,,,closing holes creates hard run races that produces upsets as all you have to do is watch the breeders cup and see 12 horse fields with hard running and huge payouts that look like lottery type payout that would be exciting to cash and that brings in people,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, To most small betters they will tell you their biggest hit was a pick four in 1983 that paid 3800 and if you talk to a TB player you will here a different story,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Very few days in harness racing give me even a half chub anymore. I am looking forward the the Breeders Crown though. A lot of good 2yo's this year.
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All the exposure in the world won't help until the takeout rate reduced to something close to competitive with all other gambling options
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All the exposure in the world won't help until the takeout rate reduced to something close to competitive with all other gambling options
The track could reset with a 5 percent rake as the game is slot infused these days and tracks only get 4 percent on most bets that are placed and i am not sure that would work unless we replaced management and drivers plus judges and racing leaders,,,,,,,,,,
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Very few days in harness racing give me even a half chub anymore. I am looking forward the the Breeders Crown though. A lot of good 2yo's this year.
A good race for 2 year olds on Saturday night at Northfield.. Ohio sire stakes final race 5..Rick Wink, Swingtown and Sippinonsearoc
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The drivers don't close holes because they don't want to make enemies of their fellow drivers. It's the old, I'll let you in so in return you'll let me in. It's not right, but that's the way it is.
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All the exposure in the world won't help until the takeout rate reduced to something close to competitive with all other gambling options
This and getting rid of the post drag.. no more than 10 minutes between races.
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The game is old and stagnant, what incentive do young people have visit their local harness track. How many of you can sit through a full program of overnight horses at any track. I can't anymore, the between race chatter by people who have no clue, including the present group of, the Ottens, Wendy the Heather's. Have you really listened to any of their interviews? Also look at the driver colonies, who ya gonna interview at the any of our tracks? Does anyone see any real up and coming talent at the Meadows, Batavia, Vernon, Northfield etc. The talent pool has dropped, no Palone's Campbell's, Peirce's out there. The smart kids never got in, most parents saw the hand writing on the wall.
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The game is old and stagnant, what incentive do young people have visit their local harness track. How many of you can sit through a full program of overnight horses at any track. I can't anymore, the between race chatter by people who have no clue, including the present group of, the Ottens, Wendy the Heather's. Have you really listened to any of their interviews? Also look at the driver colonies, who ya gonna interview at the any of our tracks? Does anyone see any real up and coming talent at the Meadows, Batavia, Vernon, Northfield etc. The talent pool has dropped, no Palone's Campbell's, Peirce's out there. The smart kids never got in, most parents saw the hand writing on the wall.
Perfect post,,,,,,,,,,,GUYS LIKE JT who get excited about great races do not exist these days and will be gone forever soon,,,,,,,
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All time spent doing anything but fixing the gambling part of the industry is a total waste. This includes trying to get anyone "to the track".
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Getting people to the track is over with other than on Little Brown Jug Day and their attendance is also down from what it used to be. Even on Hambo Day the crowd isn't that much.
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All time spent doing anything but fixing the gambling part of the industry is a total waste. This includes trying to get anyone "to the track".
In a real world you are 100 percent correct but today the game is so poorly run with poor racing and drugs making horses pay 1-2 and horses dropping huge when leaving the gate and go to management and tell them that not shutting off betting before gate leaves is not moral and totally corrupt and they look at most money being bet by advantage players and unlike in VEGAS were the house gets killed that in this case it is the honest gamblers getting screwed and who gives a shit about them,,,,,,,,Ask any driver who gives up holes for no reason if he is doing something wrong and they will say no and if they watch a video about an old lady falling and 15 people walking by with doing nothing and they will tell you about the lack of soul in society,,,,,,,,,,
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Interesting point of reference.....Fro m HRU.....an interview with John Campbell.....
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2024/05/12/john-campbell-reveals-his-super-power/
An excerpt from the interview.....sai d Campbell, “Also, just how popular The Meadowlands was during that period when you were out, away from the track in Bergen County. Everybody in Bergen County was aware of The Meadowlands at that time and would go, not regularly, but periodically. People away from the track were so aware of The Meadowlands and that’s not the case anymore in Bergen County.
“My oldest daughter, Lisa, when she started high school, pretty much everybody knew who I was. [My youngest daughter] Brittany is 11 years younger and when she started high school very few people knew who I was."
It sounds to me like the bottom line amongst most people here is.....one, you feel this sport is dead already, simply on life support, and will simply go the way jai alai or dog racing has gone.....or, two, you feel it will survive, reinvent itself, adapt, change, whatever, and the sport will always be around. The former, that's all you post about. Hecklers, nay-sayers, critics, problem pointers (as opposed to problem solvers), focused on and only speaking to the problems, mainly a source of negativity.....or the latter, who at least have ideas, are willing to post/speak opinions, whatever, on how to make things better, how the sport can survive and thrive, how the industry can adapt, changes that will help, and so on. You may be a sole voice here, or the voice of the few everywhere, but you still are the voice.
Maybe I am not describing each group well, properly, etc. But, you know who you are and you know which group you are in. I think some of the former group are there because they are angry and frustrated at what the sport and industry has allowed, has contributed to, has allowed to happen to this once great sport and industry. Either way, to me it's very transparent, which group you are in. Look at one of the members here. It may be sad and it may be an extreme example, but look. This person may done a lot for individual horses, and I do not question his love of horses, and while it may in fact still be there-----over time, it's as if his world has into a mere rant and rave, finger pointing, besmirching mission, simply wanting/needing to be right. He has little to nothing nice to say about anyone. While he has no standing/stature in the sport or industry, he must insert himself into situations, incidents, etc., because he is the self-proclaimed voice of-----not justice-----but showing and telling what's wrong. With everyone and everywhere. He belittles and smears people in this sport and industry who do have stature and standing, hold offices, contribute, own and operate business, and actually play a role somewhere in the life-cycle of this business.
Me, I'm a lifer. If they ever banned harness racing, sure, I'd think about shifting into the t-bred game, but I am not sure I would. Apples and bowling balls. This sport will adapt, change, re-invent, morph, tweak, whatever you want to call it; and it will be around long after any of us. You may not like what it becomes, and that's OK. But it will be around.
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I understand there are drugs around whether I like it or not, but it's not going to stop me from betting on or watching races because just like you, I am a lifer.
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I understand there are drugs around whether I like it or not, but it's not going to stop me from betting on or watching races because just like you, I am a lifer.
tmbz1
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The track could reset with a 5 percent rake as the game is slot infused these days and tracks only get 4 percent on most bets that are placed and i am not sure that would work unless we replaced management and drivers plus judges and racing leaders,,,,,,,,,,
tmbz1
Good place to start!!!
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That won't happen because tracks would lose money.
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15 years ago i had a friend in the game who always had 8-10 horses and i was good friends with his big owner who told me he made money in the game as bills were fair and his horses rarely broke down but one day an owner claimed a horse off him and he moved up in class every week and kept winning and the trainer who claimed off him claimed his barn and he quit so about five years ago i ran into him and he told me that he would not run an operation where his owners would lose money and would not load his horses up every week and his days with his true love were over and it was sad for me to here this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,He only hired girls to work with his horses as he wanted people to take the best care of his horses but the one thing he told me was that yes he wanted to train but his wife and kids were happy as he had money and rarely did while training,,,,,,,,
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The Ed Sullivan Sunday Night Show
Stanley Dancer and Cardigan Bay
Del Insko twice
Any one else ever make an appearance?
Fred Bradbury while training for ABC Freight .
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When i was in my younger days and we had horses lIke sONSAM who could go from 10th to first and GOVERNOR SKIPPER come from last at the head of the stretch to beat a 3 horses off Kopas that were machines or LE BARON ROUGE with his amazing closing speed i had race track heros that i followed or when the bigm started and i watched never ending flows i loved horse racing as all 10 could win a race and i remember RON WAPLES and DOUG BROWN going down to the bigm and both looked real poor and their winning percentage was super low as now it was not leave out and sit and that is when racing hooked me as i wanted to see racing were all entrants had a good shot,,,,,,,,,,i remember drivers that were always on the front end and not giving it up and you could handicap that,,,,,,,,,,,,,i remember that most guys that drew the rail on a half mile drove as fast as they could and you could handicap that and today none of that exist,,,,,i find it shocking when someone is not bitter today that loves the sport as i find it hard to love,,,,,,,
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In the Meadowlands heyday, there was so much movement early in the race, sometimes you had 3 or 4 lead changes before the half, not anymore. Too much half in and half out, and hope to get there in the stretch on a fast last quarter.
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Fred Bradbury while training for ABC Freight .
I sent a horse to Fred when he was at Monticello. Marvin Maker was generally his driver.
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Exactly my point that you can promote something that is honest and Del insko and DANCER could be interviewed and honest at that time as the game was legit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CARDIGAN BAY was a great horse that never had the public think a drug induced horse,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Joe o Brien was not giving up holes and HOUGHTAN and DANCER and garnsey were great names to promote with,,,,,,,,,,,,
Actually not! Del drove Moonstone Bay in probably the biggest fixed race in Harness. Had to be escorted from the Yonkers Paddock by Police and I believe indicted.