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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Call Sign Merlin on October 03, 2024, 02:48:15 PM
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Think with Karl getting the trailer we will see Highland Kismet as the favorite when they leave the wings.
Timmy replaces Scotty Z on Dame Good Time which seemed odd but nothing else really of note
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Call Me Goo, post 2 in Race 1 on Sunday, will be odds on.
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I agree, Kismet is the one to beat there .
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Only four full fields, 3 races with 7 horses, 3 with 6 and 2 with 5...Sad. I 've said
it before. The Futurity should have a different name. Complete insult to allow the
winner to be listed along side the past great champs who raced multiple heats. 11.wp 11.wp
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Only four full fields, 3 races with 7 horses, 3 with 6 and 2 with 5...Sad. I 've said
it before. The Futurity should have a different name. Complete insult to allow the
winner to be listed along side the past great champs who raced multiple heats. 11.wp 11.wp
I think the final grand circuit weekend at The Red Mile has been hurt by the calendar. Dayton Derby’s were last weekend, Ohio/Indiana/Ontario Super Finals are next weekend, then Breeders Crown and you still have Matron, Kindergarten, Progress Pace, FanDuel, Governors Cup, Three Diamonds, Valley Victory, etc. All of those races go for more than the stakes this weekend - some by a lot.
On top of that most of these horses have been racing at Lexington for the last month in their Sire Stakes so the allure has worn off.
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I think the final grand circuit weekend at The Red Mile has been hurt by the calendar. Dayton Derby’s were last weekend, Ohio/Indiana/Ontario Super Finals are next weekend, then Breeders Crown and you still have Matron, Kindergarten, Progress Pace, FanDuel, Governors Cup, Three Diamonds, Valley Victory, etc. All of those races go for more than the stakes this weekend - some by a lot.
On top of that most of these horses have been racing at Lexington for the last month in their Sire Stakes so the allure has worn off.
All excellent points tmbz1
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Only four full fields, 3 races with 7 horses, 3 with 6 and 2 with 5...Sad. I 've said
it before. The Futurity should have a different name. Complete insult to allow the
winner to be listed along side the past great champs who raced multiple heats. 11.wp 11.wp
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I've been a fan of HK since day one. Even before that. I think he has tremendous ability and talent, but I also think he's immature and a bit of a goofball. He's still a bit volatile. But if he's on his game, minds his manners, etc., I don't think there's a 3yo trotter who can beat him. However, he's just not on his game consistently.
That said, I don't know there will be any value with him, yet there are other legit colts in the race. Should be a good race.
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is this the weekest stakes final day ever...couldnt even get full fields...so many horse missing
where is twin b joe fresh, jiggy jog, southwind tyrion, tci, its a love thing, nijinsky, captain albano, ruthless hanover, elista hanover, voukefalas and do not forget Funtime Bayama
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kARL AND HIGHLAND KISMET are both good horses in a very bad crop as i see none of these horses good enough to compete against top trotters around the world next year unless they improve big time and it would not shock me to see an upset in the race coming up against a bad crew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, OLDER horses are also very poor this year but the filly classes with pacers are as good as any crop i have seen,,,,,,
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I'd bet money that Karl doesn't race after this year, he'll make more as a sire.
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KARL GONNA SCRATCH tmbz1
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is this the weekest stakes final day ever...couldnt even get full fields...so many horse missing
where is twin b joe fresh, jiggy jog, southwind tyrion, tci, its a love thing, nijinsky, captain albano, ruthless hanover, elista hanover, voukefalas and do not forget Funtime Bayama
Agree about it being weak. Jiggy Jog and twin b joe fresh have had a very light racing schedule this year and since they raced last week that explains their absence. Nijinsky didn't look right in Delaware so something is going on with him.. The people in charge of Captain Albano might be giving him extra time off after 2 heats and winning the LBJ.
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Ninjisky is the leading OSS points getter and the Super Final is next week. My guess is they didn’t want to run him down and back.
I think the dominance of Jiggy Jog and Twin B have allowed their connections to be very light on their schedule. No need to overrace them when they fill their coffers so easily
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In Twin B Joe Fresh's case there aren't many races for top mares.
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Every leading contender is focusing on immediate next race----if it's not a tough one----and the BC (if they are eligible). It's the smart move.
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I thought alot of these owners wanted to put a fast mile for their horses. Racing at the Red Mile would give Twin B a chance at a 1:47 mile...maybe race against the boys
I just have not seen a lamer harness racing season than this one and I have been following since the early 80s when I went to see Its Fritz take on Cam Fella.
I cannot quite put my finger on what the issue is but it seems like horse are now racing far less like ridiculous now and then the trainers think they can go 4 weeks at a time without racing and then scratch their head why their horse is not in shape. The standardbred has always been more durable than the flats, now they are turning into them just racing select racing in a dying sport with little fanbase.
Do we even know the status of some of these horses. No one gives updates. What happened to Its a Love Thing? Where is Voukeflas? What is the issue with Southwind Tyrion this season? Why is TCI skipping the Futurity? Is Grace Hill finished? Why did Captain Albano skip Kentucky? Will anyone ever give an official update on Funtime Bayama?
What is the purpose of USTA if there is no flow of information to let people know what is going on with the top horses
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The top horses just don't run enough. They are almost treated like the top T-breds who go more than a month between starts. I thought the ideal was to make money, guess I'm living in the past.
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Do we even know the status of some of these horses. No one gives updates. What happened to Its a Love Thing? Where is Voukeflas? What is the issue with Southwind Tyrion this season? Why is TCI skipping the Futurity? Is Grace Hill finished? Why did Captain Albano skip Kentucky? Will anyone ever give an official update on Funtime Bayama?
What is the purpose of USTA if there is no flow of information to let people know what is going on with the top horses
The purpose of USTA is to collect money not report news. USTA has no dedicated reporters for that kind of stuff. I'll tell you some of the answers just based on a little knowledge and common sense. It's a Love thing was scratched sick the week before her first loss so she's not as sharp as she was. Voukefalas has only raced on six tracks his entire career and never in KY. He's probably waiting for M to reopen. Southwind Tyrion has too few starts, as most of Ake's stable and a bad driver for that class. If he's OK physically Ake needs to find some starts for him to get some form. TCI is not a top horse anymore, not even worth reporting on. Same with Grace Hill, she's not the same as the past couple years. Can't say why Captain Albano is skipping KY but the official word on Funtime Bayama never changed. He got suspended for six months.
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Highland Kismet is the better horse, but retains the human anchor Bob McClure. That gives Karl the edge! Bob has driven for me and had no ability to get a horse in contention early. He normally races from behind, and realizes his lack of ability. Hell call Dan Daley, he is much better than Bob!
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Note that HK has hopples back on. Wore them through the Hambo; then went 4 races w/o and now is putting them back on again (at least according to the program.)
I think there will be a stampede of outside horses leaving, which may leave Karl buried around 8th or so. Yannick will have to use the horse if he wants to be "in it." This will certainly give a much better read on whether Karl is just near the top of this year's crop or if he is something more than that.
Ake will be flying with his Bluebird to insure a fast pace for Adams and Catch to close off of. Should be a fast race.
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Karl has been babied the whole year, skipping several big purse races on smaller size tracks. I also think horses retain their form better if they run more often as opposed to several weeks off between starts.
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Futurity day, lets hear the picks! I'm going Dame good time
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For the Futurity i like Kismet if he stays trotting.. if not than sig Sauer. I posted my pick 6 on the other thread.
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I would not bet on him, and if he beats me he beats me, and second tier.....but I will say this.....Karl did look good this week.
I hope Karl is 1-9, LOL. If not, then 1-5, LOL.
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Karl has been babied the whole year, skipping several big purse races on smaller size tracks. I also think horses retain their form better if they run more often as opposed to several weeks off between starts.
He skipped the Zwig at Vernon and that is a 7/8 mi track.
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Only four full fields, 3 races with 7 horses, 3 with 6 and 2 with 5...Sad. I 've said
it before. The Futurity should have a different name. Complete insult to allow the
winner to be listed along side the past great champs who raced multiple heats. 11.wp 11.wp
Move it back to two heats and them we will see some real horses not these dash bred, paper machete things..
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I hate this 8 minute drag BS
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I don't like HK at 3-2. Not thrilled with how he looks today, not at 3-2. He's going to have to beat me as well. Will use him underneath on some hedges.
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Going to use Sig Sauer and Amazing Catch I think.
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Recall. Uggh. Don't like the race. Good race to watch.
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Going to use Sig Sauer and Amazing Catch I think.
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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Welp, gonna need to add cash to my account
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Going to use Sig Sauer and Amazing Catch I think.
I hope you played that exacta Grandstand.. Great call
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I hope you played that exacta Grandstand.. Great call
Agree, great call
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I had sig Sauer and Amazing Catch under Kismet. Terrible drive by McClure
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9 was 99-1 and got 3rd and 7 was 88-1 and got 4th.
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8/4/9/ all/all super high 5 paid almost 10 grand
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Just watched the replay. Monster mile by Sig Sauer.. except a few steps on the backside he was outside.. Karl had as good a trip as you could from post 11.. I guess he won't be remembered as the greatest ever...lol no excuse for him he was 2nd over behind Sig Sauer. And man that was a wretched drive by McClure. If I was in the ownership group I'd be pissed. He could have dropped in 4th and than been 1st up or made a quarter move.. instead he cooked him to a half of 52.4. I would not let him drive that horse again.
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finally a day of high quality racing
Sig Sauer was an absolute monster today. Its not how you start the season, its how you finish and he has a shot a divisional honors now. Karl really no excuse. I know raced on the outside but generally empty in the stretch. All talk of greatest ever should be over now. I would be surprised if he even shows up at the Big M or races again. Highland Kismet continues to be one of the most overhyped horses around...never delivers in the big spot.
R Melina was super today. Nearly wire to wire and hanging out Ake's horse was sweet to watch...she had tons left for the stretch and definitely could get divsional honors with a BC win.
Sylvia Hanover nice 147.3 score without Twin B Joe around, though I would have liked to see the later put up a sub 147 today
Bythemissal finally with a comeback effort and just enough to hold off Abuckettbett who just time it a bit too late. Abucketbett is the top ffa this year though, almost every race right there at the wir. Muskateer Hanover continues to be amaze finishing 3rd. Has stepped right up to top company and has been racing since last fall without much of a break.
Mirage Hanover followed up the huge effort parked in the Jug with a 1:46.3 score. Peaking at the right time when Legendary and Nijinsky are floundering. Should be a good battle between Mirage and Albano in the BC at the Big M
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I had sig Sauer and Amazing Catch under Kismet. Terrible drive by McClure
Typical drive by McClure.
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Highland Kismet is the better horse, but retains the human anchor Bob McClure. That gives Karl the edge! Bob has driven for me and had no ability to get a horse in contention early. He normally races from behind, and realizes his lack of ability. Hell call Dan Daley, he is much better than Bob!
Bob must have read my post and said I'll show this guy. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Meant to post this in this thread but the track had an incredible front end bias today. All week guys were getting lost to the half but couldn’t hold up - although there wasn’t much closing from the clouds either. Today was a different story - R Melina holding up after 122 to the 3/4 was something you didn’t see earlier.
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highland kismet couldnt last
mcclure fried him
brutal drive
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highland kismet couldnt last
mcclure fried him
brutal drive
If I was in the ownership group he would have been fired right after the race.. totally buckled under the pressure.He is ok at Mohawk but that's what happens when the big boy drivers are there
I'll give Dexter a pass that was a horrid drive on his part to.. but he has earned the right to screw up every now and again
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Fastest first half mile time I've ever seen for a trot.
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Just watched the replay. Monster mile by Sig Sauer.. except a few steps on the backside he was outside.. Karl had as good a trip as you could from post 11.. I guess he won't be remembered as the greatest ever...lol no excuse for him he was 2nd over behind Sig Sauer. And man that was a wretched drive by McClure. If I was in the ownership group I'd be pissed. He could have dropped in 4th and than been 1st up or made a quarter move.. instead he cooked him to a half of 52.4. I would not let him drive that horse again.
SS was the best horse today. Without question. I also think he had to briefly stop, even a little bit, when Bob pulled the pocket to re-take. He was out the entire mile except for what, maybe an 1/8th at most, going, halting a bit, going again, etc. Looked really good! I think Bob made more than one mistake, but there's only one seat on a race bike, and I am no driver, LOL. It's easy to drive a horse from the grandstand, and even easier on the internet, LOL. So many people think horses just stop and start like a car. Karl was simply not a real contender today. He trained very well this week, but unless there is something specific wrong and they fix it and he miraculously turns around, he's just not the top horse in class anymore. Might not be top 5. Let's see if they can get him right for the BC.
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Karl in BC? Risk another loss? Will a hairline fracture be reported and sayonara to his racing career?
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Karl in BC? Risk another loss? Will a hairline fracture be reported and sayonara to his racing career?
Good point. Good way to salvage some of it. Is he absolutely standing next year?