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Title: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Winners Win on September 29, 2024, 11:13:49 PM
What percentage of judges do you think actually watch races?  I constantly see races where they don't even throw up a inquiry when bettors deserve to at least see that they are taking a second look.  Race 11 at Northfield should have had an inquiry at a minimum.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Foalin at 4 on September 29, 2024, 11:36:48 PM
My biggest gripe is a inside horse pushing his way out! The judges never dq or fine, and it happens in most races.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Scooteroo on September 30, 2024, 03:59:48 AM
Back in the 1970's at the old Georgetown Raceway in southern Delaware, which was a 1/2-mile track, there would be a horse first over and almost head and head with the inside horse, and all of a sudden, the horse who is locked in the pocket just cuts right out pushing the 1st over horse 3 wide. There were never any inquires for it and it happened all the time. Obviously, the video replay technology wasn't as good back then as it is now, and I'm not sure they showed replays in those days.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Open bridle on September 30, 2024, 06:57:24 AM
How often do you see drivers pull off the rail into cover and the driver behind on the rail doesn't fill that gap even though his horse can. Then when the outside horse's cover stalls at 3/4 the inside driver lets the outside driver back on the rail in front of him as the inside driver runs up his back down the stretch with so much horse left. I really believe these Northfield drivers take turns with each other. I think the Northfield judges spend most their time in the casino when the races are going on.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Parked on September 30, 2024, 08:42:36 AM
They are watching the races but don’t know what they are looking at. 
Setting a horse back involves calls to drivers and paperwork, nothing the judges want to get involved with. 
When was the last time you saw a driver put in an objection ???  They are all buddies. And if one does do the unimaginable , the judges disallow it as its a reflection on them for not calling it first. 
This week at Lexington will be a joke.  Holes given, inside opening up like the spreading of the Red Sea,
Don’t know what is going to be worse. The shenanigans on the track or in the show, oops, sales ring.  Oh !!!  Forgot the midnight barn visits..   
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Scooteroo on September 30, 2024, 10:55:47 AM
Another thing I don't like about judges is, there is no rhyme or reason or consistency as to their interpretation of the pylon rule.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Kirbys Ace on September 30, 2024, 12:04:33 PM
Back in the 1970's at the old Georgetown Raceway in southern Delaware, which was a 1/2-mile track, there would be a horse first over and almost head and head with the inside horse, and all of a sudden, the horse who is locked in the pocket just cuts right out pushing the 1st over horse 3 wide. There were never any inquires for it and it happened all the time. Obviously, the video replay technology wasn't as good back then as it is now, and I'm not sure they showed replays in those days.

Spent a few COLD nights at Georgetown!
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Scooteroo on September 30, 2024, 12:08:58 PM
We used to take the Starr bus there from Wilmington, DE. I remember them holding up post time for the 1st race one Saturday it was snowing because our bus was running late.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Lar4400 on September 30, 2024, 01:32:29 PM
Still trying to find out if kubi resend was ever charged in that freehold stiff job at the wire, anyone know?
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: love and light on September 30, 2024, 06:25:55 PM
My biggest gripe is a inside horse pushing his way out! The judges never dq or fine, and it happens in most races.
  A JOKE BLIND EYES AGAIN ITS ALL BECOMING A FIXED JOKE ON THE BETTORS
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Bobby Booey on October 02, 2024, 11:15:40 AM
They definitely were watching the NFL during the 13th and 14th at Chester on Sunday
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: sledge hammer on October 02, 2024, 12:15:36 PM
Long time back I asked the TV guy at Yonkers why they don't show the "Judges View".
He said "then we would be watching Seinfeld"
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: SwankToliverA on October 02, 2024, 12:26:19 PM
It's their job to watch the races, but too many times I watch races where horses should be placed lower, yet there's not even an Inquiry.
Batavia has been guilty of that recently, same horse broke 2 weeks in a row, did not lose ground and tucked right in on the rail. Won both weeks, no inquiry. Didn't have to Requalify either.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: sledge hammer on October 02, 2024, 12:56:57 PM
It's their job to watch the races, but too many times I watch races where horses should be placed lower, yet there's not even an Inquiry.
Batavia has been guilty of that recently, same horse broke 2 weeks in a row, did not lose ground and tucked right in on the rail. Won both weeks, no inquiry. Didn't have to Requalify either.

I can't speak for not losing ground or other infractions but generally if you break and win then it counts as a clean line.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Lar4400 on October 04, 2024, 12:58:12 AM
Did kubi erzene ever get suspended for his stiff job at the wire at freehold or did he get away with such a blatant what had to be suspicious at a minimum.
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Any1Left on October 04, 2024, 03:39:23 AM
Most harness trainers cheat and most judges are former harness trainers so do you expect fair and honest play,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, iF i played football for 15 years with a team i would be rooting for the team forever and the coaches and owner who i befriended and i would find it difficult to call a fair game but i would never be given the chance as no sport hires people that played to referee except harness racing and facts are when you put a suit on a crook he is still a crook,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Do judges actually watch races?
Post by: Scooteroo on October 04, 2024, 09:40:15 AM
I disagree that most trainers cheat, but the perception is there if they're successful. If most trainers cheat how come some trainers rarely or never win? Is it because someone else in the race is cheating with better stuff or is it because they're bad trainers with bad horses who use bad drivers?
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