HORSEPLOP.COM
General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Cleanupindustry on September 25, 2024, 12:29:14 PM
-
If you only drove for these horse drugging trainers who should be in prison with Rene Allard and Nick Surick. And the USTA looks the other way with these guys. How may driving wins would you have ??
-
you would be the leading driver in the country.
-
Thank you Jenny from the block. Finally someone smart on this site
-
Anyone can win on these horses. Biggest joke is that micky Burke was leading trainer for the first half of the year. Just shows that anyone can do it with drugs.
-
Ron Burke decides when he takes his days--they are always in January and February
he is El Chapo on house arrest-still calling the shots
-
Ron Burke decides when he takes his days--they are always in January and February
he is El Chapo on house arrest-still calling the shots
BINGO tmbz1 tmbz1
-
BINGO tmbz1 tmbz1
As part of the suspension's rewuirements, Burke was not allowed ro rig or train any horses or enter any racing grounds.
-
And the EASTER BUNNY is real
-
Burke
-
Does any of them care for the animal?
-
I hate to say it, but at a certain point, everyone reaches the so called vomit point. It's just enough and you can't take it any more. I have zero expectations from YR, and even less for the entire state of PA; until HISA is in effect. However, and this has long been my problem with Gural, I expected him to be "harder" on some of the "super" trainers. Did he pick and choose and sweep things under the rug? No, I don't think so. However, I think he was more lenient than he should and could have been.
Track ownership/management has long avoided throwing out trainers who have large #'s of horses. There is a perception they help fill races, can give you a horse to make races go, can add to fuller fields, and so on. It's one of those myths that become a reality. Like buy term and invest the difference. In theory it works, but it the real world something different happens. The reality is, if Gural threw out a major trainer-----and while he could without cause, he should definitely have it and have it well prepared, documented, etc.-----it would in fact hurt. It might cause a disruption in filling some races. HOWEVER, in about two to four weeks, more people would start racing there. As soon as people find out they no longer have to race against so and so-----they will flock there and with competitive horses. Now you have 4 trainers each with a 20 claimer, instead of one trainer with 4. Now you have more owners who will be enticed to race knowing they won't have to race against so and so on. That was the result you saw in NY with Rick Dutrow. Personally, I think Gural is more of a savior than people think. If you don't think so, then at a minimum he's a catalyst for change, for the better, for improvement, etc. Without him there'd be no voice. I couldn't care less if he complains. He's entitled.
The first guy through the door always gets bloody. But he's the guy who wins the prize.
-
agreed, there needs to be some short term pain for long term gain
but who is willing to take the pain
you need to ban some trainers which will mean a shortage for a while but longer term other trainers will buy more horses and hopefully bring in new or semi new owners if they think they can be competitive
lets face it right now especially in overnights, when the entries come out you are praying you are not in against 2 burke horses among others
-
I think there's a reason that super trainers shoot 25% or 30% at one track, but shoot 15% at another. I also think that at a certain point, in the claiming game, the intimidation factor comes into play. When you have 4 to 8 in a class, and you can race 20k horses for 10k you are going to win a lot of races and you don't have to throw everything at them like Servis and Navarro did.
-
Does any of them care for the animal?
NO
-
BOTTOM LINE IS IF IS THEY CAN BASICALLY PUT MOST ANYONE UP AND STILL WIN. BURKE HAS SO MANY HORSES ITS ALMOST A MONOPOLY PUT A LIL HELP FROM THE VET IN THERE THEY ARE HARD TO BEAT.
THE OTHERS JUST HAVE GAS. EVENTUALLY IT WILL CATCH UP TO THEM UNLESS THEY KEEP APPEALING AND GETTING SPLIT SAMPLES AND CLAIM CONTAMINATION. BUT THEY LET THE SPORT GET TO THAT. THEY COULD FIX IT IF THE WANTED TO. THEY DONT WANT TO.
-
As part of the suspension's rewuirements, Burke was not allowed ro rig or train any horses or enter any racing grounds.
Don't think he does much of that anyway.
-
I think there's a reason that super trainers shoot 25% or 30% at one track, but shoot 15% at another. I also think that at a certain point, in the claiming game, the intimidation factor comes into play. When you have 4 to 8 in a class, and you can race 20k horses for 10k you are going to win a lot of races and you don't have to throw everything at them like Servis and Navarro did.
Monopolies in Harness racing-especially when there are many claiming races---is one reason why Harness Racing is dying.
Burke Emblom Alexander-are not good for racing--but they are very good for themselves.
The advantages these trainers have--is the numbers of horses they have --ruling and dictating race secretaries/drivers.
Race secretaries fall over themselves appeasing them especially Burke-who has like 300 horses--or many times the number the average horsemen has. So esp Burke "get looked after" . If Burke for eg -gets a positive---he will spend as much as it takes to beat or reduce the penalty-because getting days can cost him many $$$. So-it ends up-Burke getting off completely-or reduced penalty. Unlike the average trainer. Burke also gets the best drivers available-who invariably "try harder" when on a Burke horse---using favors from opposing drivers--while when on low % trainers-they earn favors by giving up holes--or not leaving against a Burke horse when they should. In fact--how many times do you see a Burke horse get parked??? Its a rarity. The Burke account a driver has--is very valuable to them--so if an opposing driver hurts their chances--repercussions follow--and drivers know this.
Only graded races-or High $$$ races--are "real" races these days. Races where its every man for himself--as you see in the LBJ for example. So claiming from these guys--is tough- as you immediately piss a driver off,thats never good--and the race secretaries-dont like it either. Race secretaries are under the illusion that Burke and Co--increase the handle as their horses are usually shorter odds-which they think is where the money is made.. That used to be the case--but today--not so much. Evenly matched races with many betting options--attract bettors-thats why Meadowlands has the handle they have.JMO
-
Spot on, Bond.
-
Spot on, Bond.
Absolutely. I will be curious to see what happens with the Burke account once Miller moves back to Ohio. It's been Chris Page and Ronnie Wrenn Jr. I like Chris as a driver and person, but it would be hard not to go to Miller. I wonder if Miller might go with the Virgil Morgan Jr. account
-
Absolutely. I will be curious to see what happens with the Burke account once Miller moves back to Ohio. It's been Chris Page and Ronnie Wrenn Jr. I like Chris as a driver and person, but it would be hard not to go to Miller. I wonder if Miller might go with the Virgil Morgan Jr. account
David will have his choice of any account he wants
-
David will have his choice of any account he wants
tmbz1
-
you would be the leading driver in the country.
Answer this riddle. Sumner, Medeiros, Marks, Banca, Dowse, Engblom = ________?
-
Who was Engblom before he discovered whatever it is? Per would revert back to ordinary quickly in my opinion.
Alexander did well when he was suspended. He has done great since he is back. Take away his stuff & I think he disappears. I don't know if he has any talent.
Burke has many horses. It would take a year or two for it to crumble. Without the goods there would be no reason to buy horses from others. They are average at best developing their own. Take away the endless drugs he uses & even less babies will be successful. In my opinion the numbers is not why Burke does 20 million. It is the endless cheating that achieves it.
-
Absolutely. I will be curious to see what happens with the Burke account once Miller moves back to Ohio. It's been Chris Page and Ronnie Wrenn Jr. I like Chris as a driver and person, but it would be hard not to go to Miller. I wonder if Miller might go with the Virgil Morgan Jr. account
3 for 3 already tonight for Chris. I guess he really wants to keep the Burke account. LOL
-
Tonight is a perfect example. Burke makes way more money in Ohio & PA. I believe he has his own farm. Huge stakes programs at the Meadowlands & Mohawk & not a big factor. Ron adapts to where he could get away with the most shit.
Kentucky has good money & Ron wants to buy a farm in the area. Anyone guess why?