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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: MIKE CAMPBELL on September 20, 2024, 03:00:25 PM
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Once again, another so called landmark race for Harness Racing is a snooze fest. The bigger joke is that they race one of Harness Racing's marquis events on a THURSDAY FUCKING AFTERNOON. I heard the 2026 Super Bowl is being played on a Tuesday at 11AM and The Kentucky Derby is being moved to the third Monday in May with a post time of 1:30PM
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Once again, another so called landmark race for Harness Racing is a snooze fest. The bigger joke is that they race one of Harness Racing's marquis events on a THURSDAY FUCKING AFTERNOON. I heard the 2026 Super Bowl is being played on a Tuesday at 11AM and The Kentucky Derby is being moved to the third Monday in May with a post time of 1:30PM
Dude you contradict yourself so much it's laughable. You said on the Meadowlands thread that maybe they should move to afternoon cards. As far as the racing goes I thought it was great. Drivers not giving up holes, lots of movement unlike most half mile tracks and not follow the leader and sprint home like Mohawk and The Meadowlands.
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Dude you contradict yourself so much it's laughable. You said on the Meadowlands thread that maybe they should move to afternoon cards. As far as the racing goes I thought it was great. Drivers not giving up holes, lots of movement unlike most half mile tracks and not follow the leader and sprint home like Mohawk and The Meadowlands.
Once again, you prove how poorly educated you are. The thread was about M1 getting Freehold's dates.
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Once again, you prove how poorly educated you are. The thread was about M1 getting Freehold's dates.
You're exact quote was " they should run some afternoon cards" I read just fine.. continue with your insults
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You're exact quote was " they should run some afternoon cards" I read just fine.. continue with your insults
In a thread about M! getting Freehold's dates. I don't need your prompting to insult you. It is apparent you are a non horseman knowitall piece of shit. How's that jerkoff?
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In a thread about M! getting Freehold's dates. I don't need your prompting to insult you. It is apparent you are a non horseman knowitall piece of shit. How's that jerkoff?
Honest question..Why would racing in the afternoon at The Meadowlands be OK but at the jug not ok?..It's a tradition for jug day to be the third Thursday after Labor Day and shouldn't be changed. Never claimed to be a know it all, and sorry I've been around horses, owned horses and sat behind horses my whole life.. almost 50 years. You are the type of person that likes to throw insults at people to make you feel better about yourself and make you feel like a "big person". Pretty sad actually.
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Honest question..Why would racing in the afternoon at The Meadowlands be OK but at the jug not ok?..It's a tradition for jug day to be the third Thursday after Labor Day and shouldn't be changed. Never claimed to be a know it all, and sorry I've been around horses, owned horses and sat behind horses my whole life.. almost 50 years. You are the type of person that likes to throw insults at people to make you feel better about yourself and make you feel like a "big person". Pretty sad actually.
If you have to ask why an industry would have one of its premiere events on a Thursday afternoon and not on a day and time where you may actually attract an audience then there is no hope for you.
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Fact. Jug handle $211k. What else is there to say?
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Fact. Jug handle $211k. What else is there to say?
I know. I sometimes wonder why I even waste my time posting with nitwits.
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I know. I sometimes wonder why I even waste my time posting with nitwits.
I was enjoying reading for a while. It's obvious why the industry is fucked. These are the people who populate it. I get your point, look at Monticello. Why do they handle so well at a C track? Would be interesting to see an early week M1 card in the afternoon. What's the worst that could happen?
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mike, you are sadly misinformed when it comes to the little brown jug
so first please let me know what other event in harness racing attracts a larger crowd ??
secondly you dont understand its positioning, the wednesday /thursday for their big races fits the overall schedule, sure they could have it saturday afternoon or saturday night, oops wait mohawk seems to have a few little races going on that might require some trainers and drivers to be there
the majority of fans there travel in for the event, many on the day of
this is a special attraction that people will allocate time to attend
the majority than leave the event at 7 pm to go back home
having it end at 11 pm would screw that up
please go back to telling us how karl is superior to muscle hill
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mike, you are sadly misinformed when it comes to the little brown jug
so first please let me know what other event in harness racing attracts a larger crowd ??
secondly you dont understand its positioning, the wednesday /thursday for their big races fits the overall schedule, sure they could have it saturday afternoon or saturday night, oops wait mohawk seems to have a few little races going on that might require some trainers and drivers to be there
the majority of fans there travel in for the event, many on the day of
this is a special attraction that people will allocate time to attend
the majority than leave the event at 7 pm to go back home
having it end at 11 pm would screw that up
please go back to telling us how karl is superior to muscle hill
The race handled $211k. I rest my case. Jugette $71k.
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The race handled $211k. I rest my case.
That is much more of a reflection of 2 heats. AWD adding the race on theor platforms 10 mins prior to post with no programs available off track
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If you have to ask why an industry would have one of its premiere events on a Thursday afternoon and not on a day and time where you may actually attract an audience then there is no hope for you.
I guess I am hopeless for being a traditionalist.. just like the national anthem should still be said in school and our countries statues should never come down. As far as handle goes.. say you move it to Saturday night and handle an extra 100000 grand who cares. Handle has been dropping at all tracks for years and years. Harness racing is a dying industry
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I was enjoying reading for a while. It's obvious why the industry is fucked. These are the people who populate it. I get your point, look at Monticello. Why do they handle so well at a C track? Would be interesting to see an early week M1 card in the afternoon. What's the worst that could happen?
tmbz1 tmbz1
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That is much more of a reflection of 2 heats. AWD adding the race on theor platforms 10 mins prior to post with no programs available off track
Ok, rest of the card averaged around $100k a race. One of the biggest days in harness racing. Fail. Nobody outside the game cares. How many tracks need to close before you people wake the fuck up???
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I guess I am hopeless for being a traditionalist.. just like the national anthem should still be said in school and our countries statues should never come down. As far as handle goes.. say you move it to Saturday night and handle an extra 100000 grand who cares. Handle has been dropping at all tracks for years and years. Harness racing is a dying industry
You're not seeing the big picture. Why do you think other sports and even the T Breds have their big events on weekends???? EYEBALLS!!!! Maybe if the LBJ is on a Saturday, it might get a National broadcast like the Hambo. Insert insult here.......
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Ok, rest of the card averaged around $100k a race. One of the biggest days in harness racing. Fail. Nobody outside the game cares. How many tracks need to close before you people wake the fuck up???
I commented strictly on the handle number you posted for the jug itself. I don't have an opinion for the other 20races. I do have an opinion that it doesn't matter what day of the week or time of day the jug goes to post. If it's a 2nd heat with awds scrambling to load to the race (if they ar lucky to remember) and with no programs available, it's never going to be a race where its handle is a reflection of anything.
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I commented strictly on the handle number you posted for the jug itself. I don't have an opinion for the other 20races. I do have an opinion that it doesn't matter what day of the week or time of day the jug goes to post. If it's a 2nd heat with awds scrambling to load to the race (if they ar lucky to remember) and with no programs available, it's never going to be a race where its handle is a reflection of anything.
So it's a reflection of what then? Crowds are large compared to anything in the States, however they aren't what they used to be. One day a year. If anything it's a local tradition. One of the so called biggest days in harness racing and the general public doesn't know it exists outside the industry and the area. Again, still evading the fact that for harness racing to flourish as it once did, it needs to be known, relevant and generate revenue. Revenue being it's most powerful source of income "not welfare" and that being handle. Like I said on Facebook, the two biggest mass media press releases about harness racing in the last ten years have bee Freehold closing and the federal sting. Not the best marketing plan. Blame your leadership. Or lack thereof.
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So it's a reflection of what then? Crowds are large compared to anything in the States, however they aren't what they used to be. One day a year. If anything it's a local tradition. One of the so called biggest days in harness racing and the general public doesn't know it exists outside the industry and the area. Again, still evading the fact that for harness racing to flourish as it once did, it needs to be known, relevant and generate revenue. Revenue being it's most powerful source of income "not welfare" and that being handle. Like I said on Facebook, the two biggest mass media press releases about harness racing in the last ten years have bee Freehold closing and the federal sting. Not the best marketing plan. Blame your leadership. Or lack thereof.
I am speaking to having the race on a Thursday. I don't believe they would do any better if it was on a Saturday. They get as many people as possible there cause it is a Thursday. reason: Ohio state football plays on Saturdays. Import handle for the race is shitty for the reasons I explained. Would be far worse going up against major thoroughbred Saturday signals. 2 million dollar races at parx. 2 million dollar races in Canada. If it were raced this Saturday instead of yesterday, even less of the general public would know it was happening
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So it's a reflection of what then? Crowds are large compared to anything in the States, however they aren't what they used to be. One day a year. If anything it's a local tradition. One of the so called biggest days in harness racing and the general public doesn't know it exists outside the industry and the area. Again, still evading the fact that for harness racing to flourish as it once did, it needs to be known, relevant and generate revenue. Revenue being it's most powerful source of income "not welfare" and that being handle. Like I said on Facebook, the two biggest mass media press releases about harness racing in the last ten years have bee Freehold closing and the federal sting. Not the best marketing plan. Blame your leadership. Or lack thereof.
Great post
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I am speaking to having the race on a Thursday. I don't believe they would do any better if it was on a Saturday. They get as many people as possible there cause it is a Thursday. reason: Ohio state football plays on Saturdays. Import handle for the race is shitty for the reasons I explained. Would be far worse going up against major thoroughbred Saturday signals. 2 million dollar races at parx. 2 million dollar races in Canada. If it were raced this Saturday instead of yesterday, even less of the general public would know it was happening
So move the Jug and the Jugette to another track. Keep all the other races there.
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So move the Jug and the Jugette to another track. Keep all the other races there.
The concept has been to race midweek to make it easier for horsepeople across the country and Canada to congregate with the locals. Shut down the town and schools when nothing else is going on for a special event. On top of that, you could never do it on a Ohio state Saturday. Sunday, you want to butt heads with not 1 but 2 state NFL franchises? Moving it to either of those days is suicide. Might as well fold up. Moving it to Friday would avoid football but inconveniences the out of town horsepeople from getting back for local weekend business. Point being, the day was not haphazardly chosen for illogical reasons.
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The concept has been to race midweek to make it easier for horsepeople across the country and Canada to congregate with the locals. Shut down the town and schools when nothing else is going on for a special event. On top of that, you could never do it on a Ohio state Saturday. Sunday, you want to butt heads with not 1 but 2 state NFL franchises? Moving it to either of those days is suicide. Might as well fold up. Moving it to Friday would avoid football but inconveniences the out of town horsepeople from getting back for local weekend business. Point being, the day was not haphazardly chosen for illogical reasons.
Move it like the BC. One year at M1, one year at Hoosier etc.
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I'm from the area. Been there 'MANY' times. I estimate that 40% comfortably pay no attention
to the races. Just there to drink, party, mingle. Looking at the live feed, it's clear that the crowds
in and around the main grandstand area aren't even close to days gone by. The Jug day broadcast
actually isn't bad, due to the interviews done between races. Helps pass the time plus keeps the regulars
from talking as much. You know Bianconi would rather not be involved. Surprised he hasn't bowed out
already.
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cmon Mike. You are showing how little you know about the Jug. That track and that day make it
what it was and is. Suggesting moving it elsewhere is asinine. ngc3
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So move the Jug and the Jugette to another track. Keep all the other races there.
What a horrible idea
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cmon Mike. You are showing how little you know about the Jug. That track and that day make it
what it was and is. Suggesting moving it elsewhere is asinine. ngc3
I didn't say shut it down. Just take away the Jug and Jugette. You will still have 15-20 races per day for the few hundred that actually care about racing. I bet 3/4 of the people there only go to the races once a year. Harness Racing doesn't need them. Make the jug week dry and Monticello will outdraw Delaware and that is a fact.
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not every sport is going to be followed by the general public
for example i dont follow cricket, no interest, i bet at some point there is a huge cricket match taking place, i dont care, never will, you can play it at 7 pm on a saturday 5 miles from my house and i am not going, however those that love and follow the sport will travel and attend when and where it is played
some of you guys make it seem like harness racing needs to be on the same level as the nfl before you are satisfied
should it and could it be better , of course and it needs to be but it will take new leadership and time
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not every sport is going to be followed by the general public
for example i dont follow cricket, no interest, i bet at some point there is a huge cricket match taking place, i dont care, never will, you can play it at 7 pm on a saturday 5 miles from my house and i am not going, however those that love and follow the sport will travel and attend when and where it is played
some of you guys make it seem like harness racing needs to be on the same level as the nfl before you are satisfied
should it and could it be better , of course and it needs to be but it will take new leadership and time
For decades after decade harness racing was second to only baseball. More people watch pickleball than harness racing.
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I didn't say shut it down. Just take away the Jug and Jugette. You will still have 15-20 races per day for the few hundred that actually care about racing. I bet 3/4 of the people there only go to the races once a year. Harness Racing doesn't need them. Make the jug week dry and Monticello will outdraw Delaware and that is a fact.
Another horrible and misinformed take. Yes the crowd is smaller then the past and yes there are lots of people there that only go to jug day and to a harness track once a year and yes some people go just for the party and atmosphere,but I've sat in that Grandstand almost 50 years and have met hundreds maybe thousands of people over the years and there are WAY more multiple generations of horseman and horsewomen than you realize, that go to multiple tracks in Ohio and across the country every year. That race will never be moved, day or time period. Furthermore you take booze away from any track and it would be a ghost town including the barn area. Sure race it on a Saturday like the cane pace was.. what did it draw 5 or 6 horses what a joke. The only thing that might happen in my lifetime is the jug eliminations would be run on a Saturday night at Scioto a week and a half before jug day because owners and trainers don't want to go 2 heats anymore.
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For decades after decade harness racing was second to only baseball. More people watch pickleball than harness racing.
I've always said that the 3 triple crown races should be featured.. just like the thoroughbreds. It doesn't help that the cane is run on Hambletonian Day and the Messenger is run at probably the worst track of corruption and horrible racing product in the country
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Move it like the BC. One year at M1, one year at Hoosier etc.
I suppose the Kentucky Derby or Preakness or Belmont should be moved around every year as well Brilliant idea. LoL
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The concept has been to race midweek to make it easier for horsepeople across the country and Canada to congregate with the locals. Shut down the town and schools when nothing else is going on for a special event. On top of that, you could never do it on a Ohio state Saturday. Sunday, you want to butt heads with not 1 but 2 state NFL franchises? Moving it to either of those days is suicide. Might as well fold up. Moving it to Friday would avoid football but inconveniences the out of town horsepeople from getting back for local weekend business. Point being, the day was not haphazardly chosen for illogical reasons.
Finally an intelligent post. tmbz1
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I suppose the Kentucky Derby or Preakness or Belmont should be moved around every year as well Brilliant idea. LoL
Just under 307 million wagered on Derby Day. Great comparison showing just how pathetic harness racing is in the eyes of the public. Compare that to Hambo Day. Under 6 million. ngc3
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I suppose the Kentucky Derby or Preakness or Belmont should be moved around every year as well Brilliant idea. LoL
Oh btw. 60 mil was wagered on The Belmont that was raced at Saratoga this year. 125 million on the card, beating 2023.
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Oh btw. 60 mil was wagered on The Belmont that was raced at Saratoga this year.
I know the belmont was at Saratoga and once the construction is done at belmont it will move back. Not my fault that the thoroughbreds handle is so much greater then harness racing It's pretty sad actually. Maybe people like you who claim to know so many of the higher ups in the sport should do something about it. Instead you are shoveling shit out of a stall at your precious farm. Correction the farm that lets you work there.
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I know the belmont was at Saratoga and once the construction is done at belmont it will move back. Not my fault that the thoroughbreds handle is so much greater then harness racing It's pretty sad actually. Maybe people like you who claim to know so many of the higher ups in the sport should do something about it. Instead you are shoveling shit out of a stall at your precious farm. Correction the farm that lets you work there.
Aww you got told and that's the best you can do? Actually I have unlike you approached those higher ups. Many times. They don't care. And I don't even have a dog in the fight. Yet you who seem to have all the answers posts on Horseplop anonymously. Again. I rest my case.
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The betting pools are compromised and its not hidden with huge drop of odds happening every single race on horses on or near the lead and this game no longer can exist on handle as many harness players are broke or dead and many find it unbeatable,,,,,,,,, I know people that never missed a day in 30 years off betting horses and no longer feel its a game of skill as horses are paying 3 dollars and are auto pitches like the second winner tonight at mohawk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The game needs to talk about positive tests and bad drives is that not what a good analyst does,,,,,,,,, If you watch a football game and the QB throws a 3 yard interception the announcer will say the QB crapped the joint out and they talk about steroid use unlike harness racing who choose to keep telling lies and hope you a complete moron,,,,,,,,,,,,, Beaton sent 2 horses out that ran clean and in future weeks when these horses turn back into machines we will be told about bullshit that made these horses run like poop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The problem is all management and holes given up would not happen with a hefty fine,,,,,,,,,,,,,, When an inquiry pops up i should be right on the judgement 95 percent of the time and i am wrong way to often as it depends on the judges dealing with the trainer or driver,,,,,,,,,,,,,, These super rich owners going with BEATON after he TKO a horse and a baby at that have turned this game into a FFA for cheating,,,,,,,,, METS LEGACY 3 dollars,,,,,,,,,Funny if i did not lose 950 to the pick five and not have him on a ticket,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Aww you got told and that's the best you can do? Actually I have unlike you approached those higher ups. Many times. They don't care. And I don't even have a dog in the fight. Yet you who seem to have all the answers posts on Horseplop anonymously. Again. I rest my case.
I didn't get told anything I've been around standardbreds my whole life and follow the thoroughbreds. I have talked to many people for many years that run the brown jug and are on the jug society. Some changes have been made some haven't.That just shows what the higher ups that I don't know, like you do think of your opinions. They don't care. I would love to improve harness racing and make it more relevant again. I have a strong passion for the sport I grew up with and still love to this day. Until there is change at the top nothing will happen. One of my suggestions was to bring in temporary lighting so they could do one or two days of night racing or starting at 3 or 4. It's being considered. Another is to bring back the senior jug invitational on Sunday, like it used to be. There are many others as well so don't tell me I don't talk to "anyone" of the people in charge at least in Delaware. I don't have any connections to the east coast higher ups and if I had a chance to speak to them I would offer all sorts of suggestions. Face it harness racing will never be back to it's hayday..it just needs to be prevented from extinction
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Sosa and Mcgwire both had an amazing season that no fan talks about today because we know the great part of their season was not a legit situation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,In harness racing almost everyone is a SOSA and yet we talk about the greatness of a situation that is tainted with drugs and we see the real horses when drugs are not in play,,,,,,,,,,,,, When i watch the JUG and TRAVIS ALEXANDER walks by and i hear hey travis its good to see you and its been a great year i laugh because i know that everyone on that telecast except ROGER knows why its been a good year,,,,,,,, If it was not or gambling very very few would be fans,,,,
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I know. I sometimes wonder why I even waste my time posting with nitwits.
Then don’t. That way everyone wins.
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Just under 307 million wagered on Derby Day. Great comparison showing just how pathetic harness racing is in the eyes of the public. Compare that to Hambo Day. Under 6 million. ngc3
This guy JT is a fucking imbecile.
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I know. I sometimes wonder why I even waste my time posting with nitwits.
And the answer is---Because you're bored, don't have much of a life, and you think you're a bigshot/someone important on horseplop.
Please take a good luck in the mirror at who is the "biggest' "nitwit" here on horseplop.
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This guy JT is a fucking imbecile.
Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.
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I remember being at HOLLYWOOD PARK when ZENYATTA RAN AND I played against him as it was a speed biased track and i lost with a smile on my face as i just seen something special but i have to go back to LeBaron Rouge to remember something in harness racing that excited me from a fans standpoint ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, AT the t breds i know when they go 44.1 for four furlongs its going to be bombs away and at harness racing when they go 53.3 and its Burke i just sit and watch and not ever am i sure that the 53 second half would be to fast or to slow and i cant use the words of super horse,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.
Chew on this shit for brains. The Hambo has moved about 4 or 5 times. Do you purposely try to look stupid or are you just that much of an idiot.
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Chew on this shit for brains. The Hambo has moved about 4 or 5 times. Do you purposely try to look stupid or are you just that much of an idiot.
Two wrongs don't make a right. The Jug has been in my town for almost 80 years now. It means everything to this community. The high school here is named the Pacers. It will never move nor should it so get over it. If you moved the jug and Jugette to a big track or rotated it like you suggested, Delaware would turn into just another county fair just like all the other 88 county fairs in Ohio. Part of the Greatness of the jug is its setting. Smelling the fair food, hearing the kids screaming on the rides, seeing friends from all parts of the country and Canada that you haven't seen for a year and catching up. Not to mention the fastest half mile track in the country. If you've never attended you wouldn't understand. Could they make some improvements absolutely... but it's ingrained as part of the history of harness racing and it should be cherished not shit on.
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Little brown jug is amazing! I would love to have a horse race in the jug! Enjoy it while it lasts and stop complaining! There will be few if any new fans to this game no matter what you do. Once casino subsidies end, it will be over. Embrace the moment and the history while it lasts.
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Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.
Again, another intelligent post here on horseplop! tmbz1
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Give it a rest man.Why would you honestly move a triple crown race to a different location. Do thoroughbreds do that? Of course not. And yes I realize that the belmont was moved to Saratoga this year and next. It's amazing that everyone on this thread agrees with me except that dipshit Pitrelli yet I'm the imbecile. Why don't you go back to doing what you do best which is kissing Karl's ass appointing him the greatest ever... which is another thread where nobody agrees with you. I honestly think you post stupid shit just to get comments. You must be a lonely person Very sad.
If you lived to be 500, you wouldn't know as much about Harness Racing as Mike Petrelli. You're a moron.
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If you lived to be 500, you wouldn't know as much about Harness Racing as Mike Petrelli. You're a moron.
Ah, "The Beat Goes On"!
Why don't you 'rank' everyone here on horseplop on who has more 'harness racing "knowledge"' along with any other insights not withstanding ownership, breeding, training, et al.
Mamy of us on horseplop see how limited you really are when it comes to knowledge, etc.!
All that is seen is lewd, crude, nasty comments when we don't agree with you! SAD, VERY SAD INDEED!!
How much money does Karl's 'connections' pay you for 'touting' him here?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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Other than Keeneland, Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Delmar in the summer, on-track attendance at racetracks is almost non-existent except for special events. The LBJ's attendance may not be what it once used to but it's several times more than Meadowlands does on Hambo Day because it's an event so why would you even think about moving it?
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Ah, "The Beat Goes On"!
Why don't you 'rank' everyone here on horseplop on who has more 'harness racing "knowledge"' along with any other insights not withstanding ownership, breeding, training, et al.
Mamy of us on horseplop see how limited you really are when it comes to knowledge, etc.!
All that is seen is lewd, crude, nasty comments when we don't agree with you! SAD, VERY SAD INDEED!!
How much money does Karl's 'connections' pay you for 'touting' him here?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Everyone's is a genius with strong opinions when they can post like cowards. Personally I prefer common sense and facts over everything else. Something sorely lacking here. Fact, everyone knew Freehold was in trouble right? Nobody lifted a finger. And to say that harness racing is even remotely successful as an industry right now is ignorant. My point is one by one the industry shrinks. How many tracks closing will it take before everyone as a group finally wakes up and fights for their industry? The leaders aren't doing anything. Tell me what the SBOANJ did about Freehold? The few horsemen who went to the SBOANJ, spoke with Al Ochsner got nowhere. People who did sit down with ideas and listed the concerns of the Freehold horsemen. They did NOTHING. The so called representatives. So what about all the prophets here with the answers? Come out of hiding and do something.
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What is the Freehold Raceway property worth? What is it worth as a host of live harness racing?
Bottom line is almost always, the bottom line. Everything else is emotion and noise.
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Mike not to sound cold like someone with a cold heart but i do not find sadness in its closing as no honest person is getting hurt,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Honest trainers never winning races with small purses and owners getting killed with small purses plus grooms that walk around with no money is not what i call sad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Truth is the only people making money are crooked vets plus drug trainers and management that needs to be fired and also useless judges that get way overpaid,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The good memories people have are gone as i see nothing good happening now or the future plus those honest trainers that race clean and sit back and do nothing are also guilty,,,,,,,,,, At the JUG an inquiry was put up and the crew was calling it rare when Dan Noble put it up but to me Dan noble gets no credit for the inquiry as i never see him put one up and it just happens to be that the driver he placed the inquiry on was black,,,,,,,,,,,,, Just a fluke i guess ,,,,,,,,,,,,If BRETT MILLER was the other driver would that inquiry go up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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At the bigger tracks, the top jockeys will rarely claim foul against each other unless the stewards post the inquiry sign first and the interference is blatant. It's like the buddy system in harness racing where drivers routinely give holes to other drivers rather than closing it up.
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What is the Freehold Raceway property worth? What is it worth as a host of live harness racing?
Bottom line is almost always, the bottom line. Everything else is emotion and noise.
Simply put, everything is worth more on that property compared to harness racing. Build a factory and outlet store that manufactures 8-tracks and rotary phones, it will have more customers than the racetrack.
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mp, please provide some facts that pickleball has more viewers than harness racing
over 52 weeks, all tracks combined, all sources of viewing, live and via internet and off track
also to mp and mike campbell,the nfl is a juggernaut for gambling and viewership( lets say it is t bred racing) , the nhl hockey is so far behind you cant even compare the two( lets say it is harness racing)
but yet the nhl is successful in its own right, owners and players making money, fans enjoying the game should it just fold its tent and go away
so just because harness racing cant compare to tbreds should it just fold up and go away
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mp, please provide some facts that pickleball has more viewers than harness racing
over 52 weeks, all tracks combined, all sources of viewing, live and via internet and off track
also to mp and mike campbell,the nfl is a juggernaut for gambling and viewership( lets say it is t bred racing) , the nhl hockey is so far behind you cant even compare the two( lets say it is harness racing)
but yet the nhl is successful in its own right, owners and players making money, fans enjoying the game should it just fold its tent and go away
so just because harness racing cant compare to tbreds should it just fold up and go away
It loses money each day. Without being propped up it would be gone. And even with help it's dying a slow and painful death. What blows me away is people being surprised or shocked with news like Freehold. Get your heads out of the sand and at least try. On the other hand, it's still a product the public doesn't want and we really can't change what it is. Add in I found out the hard way going to the powers that be is futile. They are only worried about controlling the money and taking as much as they can for themselves.
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Brown Jug ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I do not want racing to go away but that word you used called racing is what i want as they rarely race in a way that makes it look like a sport,,,,,,,,,, When i was a kid there was 1 -3 superstars every year and these horses were trained by KOPAS AND JOHN HAYES JR AND DOUG ARTHUR ,,STEW FIRLOTE and then you had the claiming horses and we no longer bet horses as most regulars looked to see the c word beside a horse and if he was claimed by a high percentage trainer the odds would reflect that but unlike today they did not line up chalk with chalk every race and many of these chalks got beat because they raced,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Today they do not race and the claiming trainers ousted the real grow up on the farm trainers and today horses do not start off very green and some are ready right away to break track records,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, It is not a hate for the game to not accept this sport the way it runs today and if you are happy with the state of the game i would say you are not a true fan.....
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Poker was huge 100 years ago and then it was not popular for 80 years and the biggest event the world series of poker had 9 people the year AMARILLO SLIM won the WSOP and then some really good people took control and these PEOPLE ALL gambled and understood what the game needed unlike horse racing that has nitwits running the show,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pOKER shows showed the people it was a game of skill and pocket aces being the best hand would not be a winning hand for a poor player and the young people found this interesting and exciting,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Not sure what you're getting at but there were 12 when Slim won and the only thing it did was put him on Carson a lot of times. It took 30 years for Poker to become popular as a TV show and young people to get involved. Today if you don't live in one of a half dozen states you can't even play from home anymore
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I DO NOT RESPOND TO GUYS THAT HAVE NO POINT OR WHO WANT TO FIGHT BUT I WILL HERE AND FIRST OF ALL GO BACK AND READ WILKI AS ONLY 8 PEOPLE PLAYED THAT TOURNEY,,,,,,,,, NEXT I WAS SHOWING HOW SOMETHING CAN BE REVIVED WITH PROPER PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK,,,,,,,,
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Tonight WEG has its biggest card of the year and they will race and management will talk about the great job when the truth is 500000 purses will bring in the best and lets hope the track is not a huge speed biased track.. If so it will be a boring night,,,,,,,,,,,
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I suppose the Kentucky Derby or Preakness or Belmont should be moved around every year as well Brilliant idea. LoL
Wait are you comparing the lbj to the triple crown races??
99% of the U.S. doesn't even know the little brown jug exists...the other 1% think it's the Um vs Minn football game trophy. Be realistic.
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Wait are you comparing the lbj to the triple crown races??
99% of the U.S. doesn't even know the little brown jug exists...the other 1% think it's the Um vs Minn football game trophy. Be realistic.
The LBJ is a triple crown race as I'm sure you know, and of course no harness race compares to the thoroughbred triple crown races. I've always said a way to promote the sport of harness racing is to emphasize and promote the three triple crown races for each gait.. just like the thoroughbreds do with the big 3.How many people that watch the derby make sure and tune in to the Travers at Saratoga in August?
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Once again, another so called landmark race for Harness Racing is a snooze fest. The bigger joke is that they race one of Harness Racing's marquis events on a THURSDAY FUCKING AFTERNOON. I heard the 2026 Super Bowl is being played on a Tuesday at 11AM and The Kentucky Derby is being moved to the third Monday in May with a post time of 1:30PM
I agree! This race should’ve been contested at a premier track on a Saturday night and promoted correctly! The Pennsylvania Derby with seize the gray was promoted for weeks. I couldn’t wait for the race they should take a page from the thoroughbred industry perhaps.
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ok arnold
please suggest the track and date, its a more complicated schedule than tbreds based on more frequent racing
how different would it be from the meadowlands pace and other races currently raced on saturday night
i will agree that the harness triple crown is a joke and needs to be disbanded or improved on greatly
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ok arnold
please suggest the track and date, its a more complicated schedule than tbreds based on more frequent racing
how different would it be from the meadowlands pace and other races currently raced on saturday night
i will agree that the harness triple crown is a joke and needs to be disbanded or improved on greatly
It needs major upgrades. The Messenger field was a joke and the cane had I think 5 entries. I used to like some of Arnold's posts.. but he's on a different thread sticking up for the Bongiorno crime family so that lost all credibility of him for me.
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ok arnold
please suggest the track and date, its a more complicated schedule than tbreds based on more frequent racing
how different would it be from the meadowlands pace and other races currently raced on saturday night
i will agree that the harness triple crown is a joke and needs to be disbanded or improved on greatly
Well how about a Saturday night at the Meadowlands. Well publicized in the media and on billboards in the local area.
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It needs major upgrades. The Messenger field was a joke and the cane had I think 5 entries. I used to like some of Arnold's posts.. but he's on a different thread sticking up for the Bongiorno crime family so that lost all credibility of him for me.
Maybe I'm just naïve you guys could be right I just know they as a family treated me.
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Hope they treated you better than their horses.