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Title: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: rainman2 on September 16, 2024, 01:41:15 AM
What drivers are 'easier' on horses when they drive them (and still get results)?

What drivers are "tougher" on horses when they still drive them [and still get results) although they might 'take a little more out of them' down the road]?
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: pylon on September 16, 2024, 09:07:32 AM
easier..Scott Zeron
tougher.Yannick Gingas

at Weg, which im more familiar
easier  James McDonald
tougher Trevor Henry
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: JT on September 16, 2024, 09:20:12 AM
Easier: David Miller.. in Ohio tougher would be Dan Noble and Aaron Merriman.
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Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on September 16, 2024, 10:57:09 AM
Excellent question. Will be an interesting discussion.
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Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on September 16, 2024, 12:52:24 PM
Tough on horses : Brandon Bates.
Easy on horses: Marvin Luna.
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: Chips N Salsa on September 16, 2024, 01:27:49 PM
Easier: David Miller.. in Ohio tougher would be Dan Noble and Aaron Merriman.

I disagree completely with David Miller.  He can't hold one and if they have a tough mouth he rolls them and burns them up.  Zeron definitely is a soft hands developer of babies.  Sears was the master of developing a baby along with JC.  Dexter has great hands too when it comes to babies. 

Yannick, Timmy, Mcarthy - they are gonna burn them up and only the strong survive. 
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: OF JENNY on September 16, 2024, 01:50:17 PM
dave miller 100%
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Post by: Papillon on September 16, 2024, 01:53:11 PM
Easy on horses...Chris Christoforu

sits them on the cones for 7/8ths then mildly asks them for effort when the race is long over

rarely tries to win-doesnt get much easier on horses than that
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: Dingus on September 16, 2024, 01:59:48 PM
I disagree completely with David Miller.  He can't hold one and if they have a tough mouth he rolls them and burns them up.  Zeron definitely is a soft hands developer of babies.  Sears was the master of developing a baby along with JC.  Dexter has great hands too when it comes to babies. 

Yannick, Timmy, Mcarthy - they are gonna burn them up and only the strong survive.

I completely agree with you on Dave Miller.  Drove my pacer at the meadowlands early last year and got into a speed duel with a 60-1 shot driven by an amateur driver, leading to a 1/2 in 53.  Finished 3rd, but horse was never the same after that.
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: goblue on September 16, 2024, 02:36:15 PM
Trace Tetrick. If he comes away 3rd-7th, he's coming first over no matter what. Never seen him wait for cover.
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: MOHAWK FREAK on September 16, 2024, 04:12:32 PM
Easy on horses...Chris Christoforu

sits them on the cones for 7/8ths then mildly asks them for effort when the race is long over

rarely tries to win-doesnt get much easier on horses than that

100% accurate assessment of his driving skills. Only thing is he isn’t being easy on the horse, he’s STIFFING them. 
Every horse that he sits on has PLENTY left in the tank at the wire. PLENTY.  He is worse than Dale Hiteman. Always the best at the finish but too bad he’s 4th.
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: rainman2 on September 16, 2024, 04:14:19 PM
I completely agree with you on Dave Miller.  Drove my pacer at the meadowlands early last year and got into a speed duel with a 60-1 shot driven by an amateur driver, leading to a 1/2 in 53.  Finished 3rd, but horse was never the same after that.


Which McCarthy??

Andrew or Todd??
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: rainman2 on September 16, 2024, 04:23:02 PM
Even the best of hands go “brain dead” on ocassion!

Big trotting race years ago and they hooked up in a sub 54 half (fast for it’s time) with HOF drivers.
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: Zoomer on September 16, 2024, 04:54:08 PM
Easiest Campbell

Hardest Case
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Post by: getreal on September 16, 2024, 05:11:18 PM
Easier--Dave Miller
Tougher-Gingras/Tetrick/Case Jr
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on September 16, 2024, 05:21:02 PM
Too many people look at style or strength and pigeon-hole a driver. In the prior generation, virtually every top driver could be "easy" on a horse. It may not have been their style, but all the top drivers had good hands, delicate hands, and could finesse a horse if need be, keep them together, baby them, etc. While he wasn't a catch driver, Berndt Lindstedt had one of the best pair of hands, and might have been the best touch and finesse driver in the game. Yes, John Campbell had soft, delicate hands, amazing feel, and could keep a horse together whether they had a soundness issue, a bad mouth, or whatever. Ron Waples too. Sonny Patterson Jr. also. But John Campbell could also be strong and get a lot out of horse if he was lazy, not giving their all, and so on. On the other hand, Mike Lachance was a strong, power driver, could get a lot out of horse, but don't kid yourself, he was versatile and kept plenty of horses going, together, and so forth. Mike was a horseman and knew what to do with a horse. Today's generation I think is a bit different for many reasons.
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Post by: Frank the Zipper on September 16, 2024, 06:54:45 PM
Check out CC tonite in the 10th @ Mhk.
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Post by: GETSOME on September 16, 2024, 10:04:13 PM
Easy on horses...Chris Christoforu

sits them on the cones for 7/8ths then mildly asks them for effort when the race is long over

rarely tries to win-doesnt get much easier on horses than that
ngc3
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: carl baldwin on September 17, 2024, 01:15:49 AM
Check out CC tonite in the 10th @ Mhk.
Nice pick
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: Dingus on September 17, 2024, 12:32:11 PM

Which McCarthy??

Andrew or Todd??

Pay attention, John.  I said Amateur driver drove the 60-1 shot. 
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: clearmind on September 17, 2024, 12:37:27 PM
I find Dunn gets the most without excessive whipping or urging.
Sears was the best.
Title: Re: A question for all horseplop--
Post by: theokodjak26 on September 17, 2024, 09:18:34 PM
Although he no longer is driving, Brian Sears was so respectful to his horses. I do not recall seeing him using a whip unless it was a tap to wake his horse up. Dave Miller and John Campbell must also be mentioned as great drivers who wouldn’t abuse a horse.
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