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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: getreal on September 07, 2024, 03:41:39 PM
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Race 8 if its an overnight its a DQ. Variegated clearly goes way inside a pylon , clearly gains an advantage and the no balls
judges keep him up. How? No freaking guts.
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Agreed. Just make up the rules as they go.
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Has to be two consecutive to come down and he grazed one and inside the other. It was at top of stretch so there wasn't anything gained.
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He went inside the pylons and gained a clear advantage. Very poor call.
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Has to be two consecutive to come down and he grazed one and inside the other. It was at top of stretch so there wasn't anything gained.
tmbz1 I was watching as it happened. He went inside of only one pylon and gained no ground.
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if you clearly go inside a pylon but the pylon moves--they consider that not a violation
place a GPS tracker/geo locator on the pylons and wheels on the bike and leave no doubt despite any pylon movement
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There has already been a precedent set where judges have taken down horses who go inside one pylon to gain an advantage which this horse clearly did.
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There has already been a precedent set where judges have taken down horses who go inside one pylon to gain an advantage which this horse clearly did.
this seems to vary from track to track
it doesnt seem to be written down anywhere--there is no consistency
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Good call. They followed the rule. And I would have loved to have him DQ. Bet the 3 🤷♂️
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c. If in the opinion of the Judges a horse while on stride, or part of the horse’s sulky, goes inside a
pylon(s) and that action gave the horse an unfair advantage over other horses in the race or the action
helped improve its position in the race, the horse may be placed at the discretion of the Judges.
Now this is PAs interpretation in their rulebook , hence the need for uniformity all over.
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c. If in the opinion of the Judges a horse while on stride, or part of the horse’s sulky, goes inside a
pylon(s) and that action gave the horse an unfair advantage over other horses in the race or the action
helped improve its position in the race, the horse may be placed at the discretion of the Judges.
Now this is PAs interpretation in their rulebook , hence the need for uniformity all over.
Anytime a horse number and track starts a thread, 95% of the time it is just another Bad Beat story and will not change because of an opinion on Horseplop.
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Was never getting taken down. Inside one pylon, hit the other one outside.
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Way to many stipulation to the rules. You just can’t leave it up to todays judges. Pylons mark the course, if inside one down you go. No more “mitigating circumstances “ you have a positive or you don’t.
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Was never getting taken down. Inside one pylon, hit the other one outside.
If a driver swerves inside as little as one pillion to get their race bike wheel ahead of the race bike wheel of the horse beside them, which then allows the offender to go forward when otherwise they would not have been able to, that is improving your position & does & in imo should be called for placing the horse. Of course if the above scenario happens it is up to the judges to make a judgement call on if in fact the offender improved their position.
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If a driver swerves inside as little as one pillion to get their race bike wheel ahead of the race bike wheel of the horse beside them, which then allows the offender to go forward when otherwise they would not have been able to, that is improving your position & does & in imo should be called for placing the horse. Of course if the above scenario happens it is up to the judges to make a judgement call on if in fact the offender improved their position.
This ^^
Horse did not gain an advantage.
1 pylon, correct call.
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If he didnt gain an advantage then the hell with it, take that pylon out. Heres a question for you neigh sayers.If it was a hubrail there and not a pylon what happens if he takes that course? My guess, he either goes over the hubrail, pops a tire for scraping the hubrail or gets locked in! Bad call all the way around
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Even if the horse doesn't cover any less ground, he still gains an advantage going inside the pylons by not having to wait for an opening, he creates his own opening by going inside.
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Shocking call and nothing else to say but it is par for harness racing as the right call last happened in 1943
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Even if the horse doesn't cover any less ground, he still gains an advantage going inside the pylons by not having to wait for an opening, he creates his own opening by going inside.
You are completely missing the point of the ruling. He didn't "create" anything. If he had, that would be an advantage.
I mean read the rules. If you don't like them, lobby to have them changed.
You are completely missing the point. He didn't "create" anything
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This is Yonkers we are talking about. Depends who paid Fraser the most that day.
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You are completely missing the point of the ruling. He didn't "create" anything. If he had, that would be an advantage.
I mean read the rules. If you don't like them, lobby to have them changed.
I have found that rules don't matter, the judges just do whatever they feel like. If you have access to replays, check out the 9th race at Saratoga on 9/3/23. Watch the race without looking at the results 1st and try and figure out who gets placed where, it makes no sense. The Gaming Commission would not step in and try and correct it.
You are completely missing the point. He didn't "create" anything
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Bo knows you are talking about the right and the wrong and that does not seem to matter to the other person and i agree with your way o thinking as it seems fair and good to me and you can never win against him as he has it that cheating is ok in this case and i dont give a crap about bad rules,,,,,,,,,,,,