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Title: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: PineHurstPacer on August 14, 2024, 09:15:08 AM
Dave Miller's horse makes a break and he takes him inside out of the way.

I couldn't figure out how he fell off the bike until I watched the replay a few times.

He hit a pot hole the had to be close to a foot deep.

How does that happen on the Grand Circuit?

No excuse.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: rainman2 on August 14, 2024, 09:55:58 AM
Dave Miller's horse makes a break and he takes him inside out of the way.

I couldn't figure out how he fell off the bike until I watched the replay a few times.

He hit a pot hole the had to be close to a foot deep.

How does that happen on the Grand Circuit?

No excuse.

Not just the red mile but anywhere in racing. Doesn’t matter if it’s harness or t-bred!  Was there bad weather recently there?  Not an excuse but was that the issue??
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: WildWizard on August 14, 2024, 11:51:26 AM
Looked like some kind of driveway into the centerfield.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JL52 on August 14, 2024, 01:34:58 PM
And the usually reliable Gabe Prewitt- whom I know some on this site dislike- incredibly failed to mention the breaking incident and loose horse.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2024, 01:38:58 PM
That Gabe dude is ok 'BUT' please, for him to be brought in to all of these different
track son these big nights is an embarrassment and speaks to the pitiful state of Harness racing. 11.wp
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JT on August 14, 2024, 02:43:00 PM
And the usually reliable Gabe Prewitt- whom I know some on this site dislike- incredibly failed to mention the breaking incident and loose horse.
I appreciate his efforts to keep Pompano open.. but he is a mediocre race caller at best
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JT on August 14, 2024, 02:43:38 PM
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That Gabe dude is ok 'BUT' please, for him to be brought in to all of these different
track son these big nights is an embarrassment and speaks to the pitiful state of Harness racing. 11.wp
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JT on August 14, 2024, 03:29:17 PM
One thing that really bugs me about Gabe is if he is supposed to be an ambassador for harness racing and he pretty much runs the show at Lexington, why would the Kentucky sire stakes be on the Sunday before the jug. It's one of the reasons Confederate didn't race in Delaware last year,and I don't blame the ownership group. Why go to Delaware run 2 heats and risk drawing 8 hole when you can pace a glorified training mile at Lexington and bank 200 grand. If he was truly trying to promote the sport, there sire stakes final would be around labor day.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Parked on August 14, 2024, 04:29:17 PM
No way Confederate was going to the Jug and the 1/2 mile track where a midnight visit would be difficult.   
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: sfdecoy on August 14, 2024, 07:00:28 PM
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I have no problem with his race calls....think he's pretty good, actually
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2024, 07:18:56 PM
Race calls are one thing , sure, but to bring him in at practically every big race at these tracks, like
he's something special is another. He couldn't plug in Sam McKee's mic.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JT on August 14, 2024, 07:19:42 PM
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Race calls are one thing , sure, but to bring him in at practically every big race at these tracks, like
he's something special is another. He couldn't plug in Sam McKee's mic.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Brown jug on August 14, 2024, 07:38:43 PM
ok, so if not gabe on the "big nights" at other tracks who would you suggest
i think john rollis from woodbine who did some work at big m is very good
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2024, 07:45:27 PM
Precisely the point. He is the guy by default. Harness racing has no one that's worth featuring
as a traveling 'NAME'. Hey, I rarely listen to any of them. Really kinda noticed when he was up at Nfld.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JT on August 14, 2024, 07:47:05 PM
ok, so if not gabe on the "big nights" at other tracks who would you suggest
i think john rollis from woodbine who did some work at big m is very good
There is a big void there I would suggest past trainers for drivers myself. Just like with any sport they bring back old players or coaches etc... to commentate or analyze the racing.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: kantseeback on August 14, 2024, 07:53:16 PM
Old horsemen to provide commentary? You mean like Peter Kleinhans? I remember when he was walking around Yonkers with big holes in his shoes moaning about trips to Monti where he would look for a hole and just get yelled at by other drivers like where the f are you going and wind up parked the mile.

Then some years go by and I see his mug on the Big M show as a commentator.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: White Rabbit on August 14, 2024, 08:16:24 PM
Dave Miller's horse makes a break and he takes him inside out of the way.

I couldn't figure out how he fell off the bike until I watched the replay a few times.

He hit a pot hole the had to be close to a foot deep.

How does that happen on the Grand Circuit?
At least at the Red Mile the holes are inside the pylons. Buffalo has the rt on the track for the horse to race thru and no one does a thing about that
No excuse.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JT on August 14, 2024, 08:42:04 PM
Old horsemen to provide commentary? You mean like Peter Kleinhans? I remember when he was walking around Yonkers with big holes in his shoes moaning about trips to Monti where he would look for a hole and just get yelled at by other drivers like where the f are you going and wind up parked the mile.

Then some years go by and I see his mug on the Big M show as a commentator.
No I mean younger or even small time trainers that know the ins and outs of the business. It's a shame that most of them would be hammered on the set. Furthermore because of the sire stakes program the triple crown races have been totally diminished. 5 horses in the cane was a joke. The thoroughbred game understands that everything revolves around the triple crown.. Unfortunately harness racing has lost that
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Sunmoon 1219 on August 15, 2024, 12:06:46 AM
He fell off because his equilibrium was off . You do the math
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Harness racer on August 15, 2024, 07:06:06 AM
What time was it?  Beer:30?  ngc3
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: SAW on August 15, 2024, 09:06:47 AM
Dave Miller's horse makes a break and he takes him inside out of the way.

I couldn't figure out how he fell off the bike until I watched the replay a few times.

He hit a pot hole the had to be close to a foot deep.

How does that happen on the Grand Circuit?

No excuse.

It wasn't a pothole! It was a raised road/path that connects the track to the infield, inside the entire track there is about 12" deep drainage ditch and under the road/path there is a culvert pipe that lets the water flow under the road to the infield.

Miller was in the drainage area & then hit the 12" raised road acting like a big speed bump.

https://www.redmileracing.com/live-video-replays
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: JIDGE on August 15, 2024, 10:40:45 AM
It wasn't a pothole! It was a raised road/path that connects the track to the infield, inside the entire track there is about 12" deep drainage ditch and under the road/path there is a culvert pipe that lets the water flow under the road to the infield.

Miller was in the drainage area & then hit the 12" raised road acting like a big speed bump.

https://www.redmileracing.com/live-video-replays
Thank you for the clarification.
Title: Re: sink hole at the Red mile Tuesday, 2nd race
Post by: Stan durbread on August 15, 2024, 05:37:43 PM
One thing that really bugs me about Gabe is if he is supposed to be an ambassador for harness racing and he pretty much runs the show at Lexington, why would the Kentucky sire stakes be on the Sunday before the jug. It's one of the reasons Confederate didn't race in Delaware last year,and I don't blame the ownership group. Why go to Delaware run 2 heats and risk drawing 8 hole when you can pace a glorified training mile at Lexington and bank 200 grand. If he was truly trying to promote the sport, there sire stakes final would be around labor day.
Gabe has very little input in the KYSS. They only race a short meet and have to get them raced. It is better for some of the smaller stables if the final conflicts with a GC event. PA finals have conflicted with the GC races in Canada for years
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