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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harness racer on August 08, 2024, 04:51:03 PM
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Why would someone race a 2yo 5 times in 9 days? 4 are just fair races but still seems like a lot.
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Nick Clegg comes to mind. Greed would be the answer. ;D
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Nick Clegg was a bum in Illinois and even a bigger bum in Ohio. His trainer is a bumette as well.
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I never raced a 2 yr old more than 14 times, and did alright. I protected them, took all the money I could get. while teaching them to be race horses. Lots of people chasing dream of great 2 yr old's. My partners never complained, we were never scared to sell, and hope they'd come back again. But now these things are sent every start, how many don't come back, or come back like TCI. They talk about racing older horses, but look at the stakes programs.
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I’ve never seen anyone race a 2yr old like the Clegg, other than that one guy who was actually a vet. I don’t understand why you would be so hard on a 2yr old. Especially some of those fair races that go for no money.
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On 8/2 Clegg' s Pink Panther had raced 6 times in two weeks and was about to race again at Scioto on three days rest. Fortunately the poor horse was scratched right before the race. I think the judges saw the program.
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It is in fact a Clegg horse.
Downbytheparade
And the article about their stable seemed very braggy. Makes it tough to cheer for them in my book.
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Horse won for fun today at Jefferson fair. He races everywhere. Winning gobs of fair races.
That is clear up in northeast corner of Ohio. Races afternoon and evening. Stuffing these
entry boxes.Often multiple entries in 4-5-6 horse fields. Drives them aggressively.
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And in again on Saturday! Maybe take it a training mile tomorrow. ngc3
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I never raced a 2 yr old more than 14 times, and did alright. I protected them, took all the money I could get. while teaching them to be race horses. Lots of people chasing dream of great 2 yr old's. My partners never complained, we were never scared to sell, and hope they'd come back again. But now these things are sent every start, how many don't come back, or come back like TCI. They talk about racing older horses, but look at the stakes programs.
How long ago was this?
Is 8-10 starts more appropriate today because of the speed today??
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It is in fact a Clegg horse.
Downbytheparade
And the article about their stable seemed very braggy. Makes it tough to cheer for them in my book.
Raced 08/02
Raced 08/05
Raced 08/06
Raced today 08/08
Racing 08/10
Simply ridiculous
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Why would someone race a 2yo 5 times in 9 days? 4 are just fair races but still seems like a lot.
Before harness racing like the rest of the world went woke, two year olds could race twice in one night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUV3GVOehw
It did not seem to hurt Nihilator as a three year old.
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When did Nihilator ever go two heats as a two yr old?
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When did Nihilator ever go two heats as a two yr old?
Here's the answer!
The $772,500 Breeders Crown Two-Year-Old Colt Pace was conducted in same-night heats and was an epic race, with the hype extremely high, especially for a race involving two-year-olds.
Published: October 11, 2014 05:14 pm EDT
This Sunday, October 12, marks the 30th anniversary of one of harness racing's most remembered races. An upset that both shocked the masses and helped put a brand new championship series on the map.
An undefeated pacing colt by the name of Nihilator came into the first ever Breeders Crown for two-year-old pacing colts. It was just the third event in the Breeders Crown series to be contested. Perfect in 11 starts, Nihilator was trained by the legendary Billy Haughton and driven by Bill O'Donnell.
Facing Nihilator was Dragons Lair. Trained and driven by Jeff Mallet, Dragons Lair was no slouch. In fact, the son of Tyler B was a world champion over a five-eighths mile track. The race was being held at Dragons Lair's home track, The Meadows.
The Breeders Crown was contested in heats, with Nihilator winning the first heat over Dragons Lair in 1:54.3f, better than Dragons Lair's 1:55.4f mark. The other heat was won by Pershing Square in 1:56f.
Coming back for the final, it was expected that Nihilator would roll to his 13th straight win. Dragons Lair and Jeff Mallet had other ideas.
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When did Nihilator ever go two heats as a two yr old?
The link I posted was the second heat. It was the Breeders Crown. Nihilator also raced heats as a three yer old.
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What should be noted is that the horse won every one of those starts except a Sire Stakes
where it was in over its head with a bad post.
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And he gutted her from post 9 that night.
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Just won at Croton with a horse that raced and won at Jefferson two days ago. ;D
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The point of this thread is it too much...not how they are racing. Will this have any lasting negative effects on the horse? I guess time will tell, just seems excessive in the heat.
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I get that 'BUT' they're 'HIS' horses and he's winning a bunch.
No rules against it. Theory is they won't hold up. Probably true.
However he has one in Carl Milstein Sat that they raced the piss
out of too. Had one in that Yonkers Series [Dunkin] that was raced
that way too. Just shows theories are just that theories. 11.wp
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Before harness racing like the rest of the world went woke, two year olds could race twice in one night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUV3GVOehw
It did not seem to hurt Nihilator as a three year old.
You're a fucking idiot non horseman. If you knew anything about breeding, you wouldn't post the shit you do. Standardbreds are not structured like they were when Nihilator raced. Inbreeding has diminished bone density to a point that Standardbred's bones of today cannot be compromised like they were in 1985. If you were an actual horseman and looked at the change of the breed from the 70's till now, you would say the same thing I just did.
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Totally different animal from the 70's. Ya buy them now, most trot or pace right out of the box. I remember the days of 4 or 5 trips training down, didn't hurt them. I warmed horses for the 8th race, Jog after 1st, trip 35 after 2nd, trip 15 bike after 5th. How many remember those days, drivers didn't own bikes
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Can't believe Clegg's Dunkin won the Dan Patch.
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to each their own and do whatever works for you
their is no one blueprint for all
every horse is an individual
they paid $7k for dunkin and he's made $735k and counting
that covers up a lot of ones that dont make it
maybe some "big name" trainers who are struggling badly should switch things up and try something different
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You're a fucking idiot non horseman. If you knew anything about breeding, you wouldn't post the shit you do. Standardbreds are not structured like they were when Nihilator raced. Inbreeding has diminished bone density to a point that Standardbred's bones of today cannot be compromised like they were in 1985. If you were an actual horseman and looked at the change of the breed from the 70's till now, you would say the same thing I just did.
Your are just a woke a-hole. Horses were racing heats long after 1985 and still do in the Jug and Jugette. Except for a few woke trainer, the top trainers like Takter and Burke send horses to both. I think they knew a bit more than you. It is this woke thinking which is ruining sports and our society. Go get your 10th COVID jab and cry to the government to forgive your student loan.
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Your are just a woke a-hole. Horses were racing heats long after 1985 and still do in the Jug and Jugette. Except for a few woke trainer, the top trainers like Takter and Burke send horses to both. I think they knew a bit more than you. It is this woke thinking which is ruining sports and our society. Go get your 10th COVID jab and cry to the government to forgive your student loan.
Make up your mind shit for brains. In your other post you said no one goes heats like they used to and now you are saying most do other than a few. I suggest you lay off the sauce dickhead.
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Your are just a woke a-hole. Horses were racing heats long after 1985 and still do in the Jug and Jugette. Except for a few woke trainer, the top trainers like Takter and Burke send horses to both. I think they knew a bit more than you. It is this woke thinking which is ruining sports and our society. Go get your 10th COVID jab and cry to the government to forgive your student loan.
I’m very glad that I’m not the only one having “problems” with LIL MIKEY!
Welcome to horseplop 2024!!
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Make up your mind shit for brains. In your other post you said no one goes heats like they used to and now you are saying most do other than a few. I suggest you lay off the sauce dickhead.
Good afternoon LIL MIKEY
Please tell horseplop what you are accomplishing with your foul mouth here??
Do you feel like more of a man?
All we see here is another “KEYBOARD WARRIOR” who thinks he is a tough guy!
SO SAD
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to each their own and do whatever works for you
their is no one blueprint for all
every horse is an individual
they paid $7k for dunkin and he's made $735k and counting
that covers up a lot of ones that dont make it
maybe some "big name" trainers who are struggling badly should switch things up and try something different
After the last ten years of buying yearlings with limited success I am convinced it at least 90% pure luck to find a real good one. They come from just about every pedigree and size.
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Make up your mind shit for brains. In your other post you said no one goes heats like they used to and now you are saying most do other than a few. I suggest you lay off the sauce dickhead.
Your obviously a man with a small penis who has to insult people online when they defeat you with facts. I don't see your name listed in any of the grand circuit races. You better get you woke ass in line now so you don't miss voting for Harris.
People who know much more than you say it is not very hard on horses racing two heats. That is just a woke fairy tale perpetuated by woke wannabes like you.
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Your obviously a man with a small penis who has to insult people online when they defeat you with facts. I don't see your name listed in any of the grand circuit races. You better get you woke ass in line now so you don't miss voting for Harris.
People who know much more than you say it is not very hard on horses racing two heats. That is just a woke fairy tale.
Keep LIL MIKEY in his place Frankie! Don’t let him bully you, mr and others here!
All we see from LIL MIKEY is another wanna be tough guy!
SAD ISN’T IT!!
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Your obviously a man with a small penis who has to insult people online when they defeat you with facts. I don't see your name listed in any of the grand circuit races. You better get you woke ass in line now so you don't miss voting for Harris.
People who know much more than you say it is not very hard on horses racing two heats. That is just a woke fairy tale perpetuated by woke wannabes like you.
Actually, I have no penis, as I lost it in a bass fishing mishap.
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Actually, I have no penis, as I lost it in a bass fishing mishap.
it!
ngc3 ngc3
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Actually, I have no penis, as I lost it in a bass fishing mishap.
Is that why we turned into a toxic old man with no friends?
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Actually, I have no penis, as I lost it in a bass fishing mishap.
Evening LIL MIKEY,
It seems LIL MIKEY is a correct assessment of who you are!
FYI, you are the one who said this!
Now we all know why you are the way you are here and in life!!
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LOOKSGOODINLOULOU very impressive today. SWEET BALLAD less impressive this week.
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3 undefeated fillies go head to head at Harrah's Philly in the 9th...will PAPI GRAD go down this week?
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thought i would restart this thread with some current context
but i don't believe it is owners or trainers doing but certainly the driver who may have had a hand in this fillys demise
amazing wish is now for sale at ongait hmm?
wins her first lifetime start at grand river in 156 easily
next start is the only 2 yr old in against 3 yr old fillies and gets torched on the front end and stops
races at mohawk last night and stops at the head of the lane after very slow fractions
i am sure the owners now are dealing with the fact that she is gutted and her abilities are compromised
it is true that sometimes you can over race 2 yr olds ,especially fillies
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I get that 'BUT' they're 'HIS' horses and he's winning a bunch.
No rules against it. Theory is they won't hold up. Probably true.
However he has one in Carl Milstein Sat that they raced the piss
out of too. Had one in that Yonkers Series [Dunkin] that was raced
that way too. Just shows theories are just that theories. 11.wp
He does seem to race the hide off of his 2yr olds -and he's a cheat any chance he can be- but...i gotta say...i've seen a lot of good 2yr olds in OH going some really fast miles early in the sire stakes and even the buckeye stakes that have been ruined. What's worse?? I'd like to see a lot more of the 2year olds racing at the fairs for better purses and take more money off of the sire stakes purses. We'd probably have sounder 3 year olds and less money leaving the state.
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A lot of trainers have different philosophies regarding 2yo's. I think the breed is becoming more diluted (similar to the concept of expansion teams in sports), science, medical, and technology (legal or otherwise) is advancing, and horses are going faster. Things that make you go hmmm.....LOL. Regardless, after everything else, they are still 2yo's. Whatever and everything that goes along with that. In the end, it's the breeders who drive the ship.