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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: RANDOLPH POKER on August 03, 2024, 11:06:02 PM
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With all the millions he spends on yearlings, his results on Hambletonian day were less than stellar. Plus it looks like his two big guns are under-performing as sires to date (Greenshoe and Gimpanzee)
8 starters: 5-6-6-6-8-9-10-10
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he had a big splash a few years back with the 3 Gs Greenshow, Green Manalishi and Gimpanzee but what the heck happened after that. He is an afterthought now
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Rough day for sure.
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Maybe he needed Brian Sears more than he thought.. remember that Sears is also a very good horseman and not just a great pilot..
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It takes a very good trainer to stay at the top. Many are average and pick a few nice ones and then reality sets in
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Don't feel too sorry for him. He bred and owns the top 2 year old trotter in Canada who is favored in the midseason finals this week. Funny thing is he gave the horse to McNair for the Canadian Sires Stakes and isn't even listed as trainer.
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Maybe he needed Brian Sears more than he thought.. remember that Sears is also a very good horseman and not just a great pilot..
I was stabled behind Jay Sears for a season at Scioto Downs. Brian should be a very good horsemen if he picked up what his dad and knew and his work ethic.
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It takes a very good trainer to stay at the top. Many are average and pick a few nice ones and then reality sets in
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I worked for melander. He had very good help at the time. He let them alllllll go thinking it was him. Guess again.
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Maybe he needed Brian Sears more than he thought.. remember that Sears is also a very good horseman and not just a great pilot..
Sears couldn't make peanuts with his stock last year that's why he stopped driving for him
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With all the millions he spends on yearlings, his results on Hambletonian day were less than stellar. Plus it looks like his two big guns are under-performing as sires to date (Greenshoe and Gimpanzee)
8 starters: 5-6-6-6-8-9-10-10
Those were all gs we are a KS now still waiting
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Those were all gs we are a KS now still waiting
Actually might be at mmmmm
Anyways their owners must be ready to jump ship. One time I saw them charge an owner 4k to "vet" a horse at a sale that they ended up not buying!!!
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With all the millions he spends on yearlings, his results on Hambletonian day were less than stellar. Plus it looks like his two big guns are under-performing as sires to date (Greenshoe and Gimpanzee)
8 starters: 5-6-6-6-8-9-10-10
Greenshoe is definitely an overall bust so far but it's pretty rough to declare Gimpanzee a failure yet. There's less than 40 of them out there and a couple rather decent ones showed up at Lexington.
You left out Green Manalishi who is by far the most impressive of the three right out of the gate, though.
And yes, he cannot be happy with how things are going right now with his stable.
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One of my last conversations with Marcus before I quit while I was jogging Distance Learning.
"Hey Marcus, he's got a limp. Should I take him back to the barn?"
Marcus : " no he will jog out of it " ( not even looking)
How's that distance Learning done elsewhere. What did yall get for him 10k??
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One of my last conversations with Marcus before I quit while I was jogging Distance Learning.
"Hey Marcus, he's got a limp. Should I take him back to the barn?"
Marcus : " no he will jog out of it " ( not even looking)
How's that distance Learning done elsewhere. What did yall get for him 10k??
Yikes.
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Were they even at the meadowlands on hambo day ?
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Were they even at the meadowlands on hambo day ?
Of course they were. They just charge the owners for the flights back and forth to KY. Just didn't make a peep.
Trivia. Who was the last 3 year old filly of melanders to win a race at meadowlands
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23 of 38 yearlings in the current crop sold as yearlings sold for an average of over $164K (12 colts/16 fillies)
Gross: $4.6 million
so far 25 starters have earned under $200,000 TOTAL (40% of that total by two horses)
To date TWO of his colts have earned over $6,000
Yes it's early...
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pirates loot 220k muscle hill
doesnt get check from rail in 57 mile at red mile speedway
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23 of 38 yearlings in the current crop sold as yearlings sold for an average of over $164K (12 colts/16 fillies)
Gross: $4.6 million
so far 25 starters have earned under $200,000 TOTAL (40% of that total by two horses)
To date TWO of his colts have earned over $6,000
Yes it's early...
I don't know all of his colts but he has 2 in the 13th at the Red Mile this afternoon with 40000 or more including the best NYSS colt so far. He also owns Galen Erso in Canada and will train him in the states. That horse has 84,000 Canadian and is the favorite in tonights 150,000 race at Mohawk.
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I don't know all of his colts but he has 2 in the 13th at the Red Mile this afternoon with 40000 or more including the best NYSS colt so far. He also owns Galen Erso in Canada and will train him in the states. That horse has 84,000 Canadian and is the favorite in tonights 150,000 race at Mohawk.
his best horse is trained by mcnair. let that sink in
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Trained or babysitting? If the horse goes downhill if and when he comes to the states we will know. Also forgot Global Sensation who had over 20000 before finishing 2nd a few minutes ago to the red hot Carter Pinske.
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i dont forget anything
damien
cough cough
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skydiver
bred to the9s
again the rail. this time 2nd over
no better than 4th,
had bernardin in the race too. never got a call
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no trivia buffs here know when melanders last 3 year old filly winner was at MD?
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Luke the spook at 33 to 1!
nice horse
5 starts last year 7500 in the bank oooooof
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Super Chapter just came through for him pretty well. I think that the Pinske horse might have run him down though. He was flying and just starting to get in gear when he made that speed break.
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I think MM is a very good horseman. He's young, has got a very good background, and he might be struggling with some of the success he has had. After success like that, and with owners like he has, he doesn't get a free and clear bankroll to go out and spend every fall at the yearling sales. I hope he does well.
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All he has to do is hit with a couple. He'll last till they get tired of loosing, that bugs them more than the cash. Nice kid
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Absolute POS,rude ,arrogant total douche bag. Brother is a good kid. Stable hasn't been the same since Marcus S went back to Sweden.
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Absolute POS,rude ,arrogant total douche bag. Brother is a good kid. Stable hasn't been the same since Marcus S went back to Sweden.
Bingo
Actually you are right Mattias is good kid.
Ghostbuster sold for 10k yesterday
Walner 2year old
In the write up said "not what we are looking for"
Well why is he staked to the valley victory then?
How much is walner stud fee?
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$40K
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I worked for melander. He had very good help at the time. He let them alllllll go thinking it was him. Guess again.
In my opinion, if you have a good competent dependable groom you pay them whatever it takes to keep them. It's a hard dirty job with shit hours and it's hard to find anyone willing to do it, let alone do it well.
Trainers have a tendency to not appreciate good help until they're gone and replaced with a drunk groundhog.
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In my opinion, if you have a good competent dependable groom you pay them whatever it takes to keep them. It's a hard dirty job with shit hours and it's hard to find anyone willing to do it, let alone do it well.
Trainers have a tendency to not appreciate good help until they're gone and replaced with a drunk groundhog.
Couldn't agree more. You see some operations where the employees take pride in what they are doing and others look like they found a homeless drunk on the freeway to paddock their horse.
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great comments and points
he is not the only one struggling, others are too
they all tend to get too big and too many horses an you cant find good help, if you are a good trainer and have 30-40 horses you can keep an eye on them all and make sure you ae jogging /training each a couple of times
but these guys get to 70 and above its the assistant trainers and grooms that do it all and you have to hope they are good because you have no clue what horse is what
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and yes i am excluding burke from my comments
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In my opinion, if you have a good competent dependable groom you pay them whatever it takes to keep them. It's a hard dirty job with shit hours and it's hard to find anyone willing to do it, let alone do it well.
Trainers have a tendency to not appreciate good help until they're gone and replaced with a drunk groundhog.
i see his former help is getting drives in lexington. Julian Dubois.
Kid did the work of 5 people. they let him walk
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In my opinion, if you have a good competent dependable groom you pay them whatever it takes to keep them. It's a hard dirty job with shit hours and it's hard to find anyone willing to do it, let alone do it well.
Trainers have a tendency to not appreciate good help until they're gone and replaced with a drunk groundhog.
they also had a french girl in the barn that did the work of 8 people. with the touch of a horse whisperer. first they hired her husband, then they let them both walk
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i think at one point he was hungry
then when he got success it became about the video not the results anymore
the Mission Brief baby Jaya Baye was going to be a superstar but she needed time
instead they kept her up front in the first set so it looked good. that was the year with damien. same with him. clearly needed time but rushed him in the top set so the videos would look good
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GHOSTBUSTER SA
$150,000 Lexington yearling sale purchase
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GHOSTBUSTER SA
$150,000 Lexington yearling sale purchase
Brown will get her 10k back fast I think like the people with g load did after he sold for 10