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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: bodnarcny on June 14, 2024, 02:33:02 PM
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Can someone explain why the horse that broke in the stretch was placed third and not second where he finished. He wasn't lapped on. Its either second or thrown out. Watch the replay and you'll see what I mean. Vernon 6th Breeders Classic Race.
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I was thinking the same thing but didnt want to post to see the "stop whining for losing your $2" crowd jump in. It was a joke. The 4 was nowhere close to being lapped on by the 7. Watched hundreds of NYSS races and never saw a DQ like this at any of the various tracks.
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I started a thread about this too so don't feel bad. I have no clue how they can justify this "ruling".
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did they ever explain it?
brutal
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It's a questionable call for sure...Maybe they will debate he didn't lose ground on the break? No real effort by driver to get back on stride. But it's definitely an answer that they should have announced why the DQ
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It's a questionable call for sure...Maybe they will debate he didn't lose ground on the break? No real effort by driver to get back on stride. But it's definitely an answer that they should have announced why the DQ
its either leave him up or place last? 3rd makes no sense?
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just watched the replay
the breaker was 5-6 lengths clear of the 3rd finisher and broke at the very end of the mile
horrible DQ
dont be surprised if the connections file a lawsuit since the purse was over $100k
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What a horrendous decision to drop that horse to 3rd place finish. Would love to hear the judges explanation on that idiotic decision. By no means was he lapped and no where’s around anyone to cause any type or interference. Judges probably making $20 an hour just cost the owner between $12,000 - $12,500 by putting the horse 3rd. Brutal !
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It’s the right call, JB let the horse gallop the last 1/16. Had he grab the horse up and tired to get him back on gate the 3rd placed horse might have
got to rear which would make it a lapped on break. Since JB made no attempt we will never know. So that’s the reason for the placing. FYI the judges could give JB days for not attempting to get the horse back on gate. That’s also part of the rule.
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Technically a horse has to cross the line on his gait whether it’s a trot or pace whichever he is and if he doesn’t and is not lapped on he loses 1 position
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Unless you’re galloping the whole entire stretch. Than that’s different your placed last
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Technically a horse has to cross the line on his gait whether it’s a trot or pace whichever he is and if he doesn’t and is not lapped on he loses 1 position
This is absolutely NOT true.
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It’s the right call, JB let the horse gallop the last 1/16. Had he grab the horse up and tired to get him back on gate the 3rd placed horse might have
got to rear which would make it a lapped on break. Since JB made no attempt we will never know. So that’s the reason for the placing. FYI the judges could give JB days for not attempting to get the horse back on gate. That’s also part of the rule.
we must have been watching different races
it wasnt even close to 1/16th of a mile
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Although the rules have changed and each state has its own rules on breaking. I saw a horse break while winning the whole stretch galloping and he won placed last. Than I saw same at pocono. Horse in front galloped the whole stretch and won and they left it up as winner. I was amazed. So each track can do whatever they want I guess 🤷🏽
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Although the rules have changed and each state has its own rules on breaking. I saw a horse break while winning the whole stretch galloping and he won placed last. Than I saw same at pocono. Horse in front galloped the whole stretch and won and they left it up as winner. I was amazed. So each track can do whatever they want I guess 🤷🏽
You may be correct in this post-but i have NEVER seen what happened today in over 45 years of watching harness racing
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Twelve to thirteen strides on the break.
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Which is way the DQ and they should give JB days too
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just watched the replay
the breaker was 5-6 lengths clear of the 3rd finisher and broke at the very end of the mile
horrible DQ
dont be surprised if the connections file a lawsuit since the purse was over $100k
Failure to attempt to bring horse back on stride..Look up the rule!
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It’s the right call, JB let the horse gallop the last 1/16. Had he grab the horse up and tired to get him back on gate the 3rd placed horse might have
got to rear which would make it a lapped on break. Since JB made no attempt we will never know. So that’s the reason for the placing. FYI the judges could give JB days for not attempting to get the horse back on gate. That’s also part of the rule.
Maybe but it wasn't Jumpin Joey. It was Scotty Z driving the DQd horse. If it was Bongiorno his usual antics might have been interpreted as trying to get him back on stride. I did see Zeron's hands move up after the break but the crazy amount of time it took and the many many replays they showed means there was some disagreement about the call.
I also thought that failure to attempt to bring the horse back on stride would be a total DQ to last ... not just one position.
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Factors they looked at.. failure to bring horse to proper gait and failure to lose ground while off stride. Had the driver done either or both, could the fast closing horse that finished 3 rd caught him. ??
I think it was the right call. Close but a good call.
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Maybe but it wasn't Jumpin Joey. It was Scotty Z driving the DQd horse. If it was Bongiorno his usual antics might have been interpreted as trying to get him back on stride. I did see Zeron's hands move up after the break but the crazy amount of time it took and the many many replays they showed means there was some disagreement about the call.
I also thought that failure to attempt to bring the horse back on stride would be a total DQ to last ... not just one position.
I thought Jason Bartlett was the driver. My oversight. Nothing the less the driver made no attempt to get the horse back on gate, the judges could have placed him last. I don’t there will be any appeals filed either
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Joke