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Title: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 07:48:09 PM
All you clowns talk about is why aren't they "giving" you more. You actually got that part right. Nothing earned. You even say the people who saved racetracks are only driven by money, yet you don't hesitate to take the welfare and drink the Kool-Aid. Only time any of you talk is here because you are scared shitless knowing what will happen if you get caught. They yank your free ride. When you walk in most paddocks it's no different than walking into a social services office. Same thing, prove me wrong.  ngc3

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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:05:54 PM
Not only does it lose money each year without welfare, it's losing more this year too. Purses going up means your food stamps "subsidies" were raised. Congrats.  ngc3

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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:13:14 PM
Welfare...
https://www.morningagclips.com/nys-harness-racing-industry-grows-with-440000-in-grants/

Not including VLT welfare taken from little old ladies playing their social security money.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:16:07 PM
Can someone post the articles praising harness racing as a thriving sport that pours money into local economies without any assistance from "subsidies" to keep it afloat?

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I also heard the Miller's permit to build a training track down the road here was denied. Says a lot about this "thriving" industry.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:17:07 PM
Welfare...
https://www.lsc.ohio.gov/assets/legislation/135/hb33/en0/files/hb33-rac-greenbook-as-enacted-135th-general-assembly.pdf
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:17:52 PM
Here are the overnight sheets for this weeks harness tracks in the state of Michigan....







 ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:21:32 PM
Good evening ladies and gentleman, welcome to Harness Racing in Florida!
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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 08:25:14 PM
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It remains one of the largest TAXPAYER-SUPPORTED equine programs in America.
ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 23, 2024, 09:04:07 PM
Replace “harness racing jobs” with “auto sector jobs” and you’ll get the same thing. Governments are sometimes forced to subsidize many industries to keep them afloat… nothing new here other than someone with a vendetta.
All you clowns talk about is why aren't they "giving" you more. You actually got that part right. Nothing earned. You even say the people who saved racetracks are only driven by money, yet you don't hesitate to take the welfare and drink the Kool-Aid. Only time any of you talk is here because you are scared shitless knowing what will happen if you get caught. They yank your free ride. When you walk in most paddocks it's no different than walking into a social services office. Same thing, prove me wrong.  ngc3

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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: rainman2 on May 23, 2024, 09:11:38 PM
Good evening ladies and gentleman, welcome to Harness Racing in Florida!
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That’s right!  They blocked up the windows at the simulcast center so you can’t even see where the track was!!  They also quickly reconfigured things so you don’t even know racing existed. It’s depressing when you live here and drive by it on I-95 and pass exit 36 Atlantic Avenue Pompano Beach!  Made great friends here and got into ownership here. RIP Pompano Park !!!!
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 09:14:45 PM
Replace “harness racing jobs” with “auto sector jobs” and you’ll get the same thing. Governments are sometimes forced to subsidize many industries to keep them afloat… nothing new here other than someone with a vendetta.

Automakers provide necessary transportation. Harness racing provides nothing. There's your vendetta. At least I say it like it is. That's why your industry is fucked and on life support. Typical welfare recipient entitlement response by you.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 23, 2024, 09:31:43 PM
Harness racing provides underskilled laboor with a living wage through these subsidies, as it does the auto sector. Harness racing provides indirectly spinoffs throughout the community through feed sales, equipment sales, etc. many of the people involved would otherwise be unemployable unfortunately, as often would those in the other subsidized industries. Unfortunately, the outputs are not always equally useful in society. Nevertheless, it provides sustenance, and a sense of purpose to those involved. Society is full of government measures to support the populace. Picking on those involved reveals your lack of humanity. Consider it welfare or otherwise, but it does serve its purpose.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 09:34:42 PM
Harness racing provides underskilled laboor with a living wage through these subsidies, as it does the auto sector. Harness racing provides indirectly spinoffs throughout the community through feed sales, equipment sales, etc. many of the people involved would otherwise be unemployable unfortunately, as often would those in the other subsidized industries. Unfortunately, the outputs are not always equally useful in society. Nevertheless, it provides sustenance, and a sense of purpose to those involved. Society is full of government measures to support the populace. Picking on those involved reveals your lack of humanity. Consider it welfare or otherwise, but it does serve its purpose.

How many of those people working in the auto sector are undocumented? I'll just stop there. Only thing harness racing does is keep the kill pens full. So much for your humanity.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on May 23, 2024, 09:44:28 PM
All you clowns talk about is why aren't they "giving" you more. You actually got that part right. Nothing earned. You even say the people who saved racetracks are only driven by money, yet you don't hesitate to take the welfare and drink the Kool-Aid. Only time any of you talk is here because you are scared shitless knowing what will happen if you get caught. They yank your free ride. When you walk in most paddocks it's no different than walking into a social services office. Same thing, prove me wrong.  ngc3

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Just curious, do you consider every dollar that comes into a track's financials (regardless of where it shows up, what line item, etc.)---that doesn't come from the track's operating "revenue---as some type of subsidy?
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 09:45:49 PM
Just curious, do you consider every dollar that comes into a track's financials (regardless of where it shows up, what line item, etc.)---that doesn't come from the track's operating "revenue---as some type of subsidy?

Sure, the lowest being on track handle and in house revenue from live patrons. The rest is welfare. Thank you for asking. Take away the subsidies and tell me what you're racing for. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 09:47:21 PM
And then there's Maine, the fair racing capital of the nation. Average yearly earnings per horse just over 11k. Again....TAXPAYER SUBSIDY.....ya know, welfare?
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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 23, 2024, 09:48:13 PM
Documented or undocumented, each of those people need to be fed. Working for it is far better than eating at a charity or stealing to survive. A diversion to a second argument still reveals your darker side. I’m not in favor of dead horses and kill pens either, but when preferences come into play I side with human welfare over animal welfare any day. Jmho.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 09:49:50 PM
Documented or undocumented, each of those people need to be fed. Working for it is far better than eating at a charity or stealing to survive. A diversion to a second argument still reveals your darker side. I’m not in favor of dead horses and kill pens either, but when preferences come into play I side with human welfare over animal welfare any day. Jmho.

There's plenty of other jobs out there. So put good money behind bad to support an illicit industry that defrauds the public and endangers animals to feed people who can easily work elsewhere. Yeah, OK.  ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: dougie on May 23, 2024, 09:54:22 PM
While Mr. Petrelli makes good points, I have met many people in the"business". Most are hard working folks who love their horses. I hope that harness racing survives. Despite the "corporate welfare" which they receive.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on May 23, 2024, 09:55:53 PM
Sure, the lowest being on track handle and in house revenue from live patrons. The rest is welfare. Thank you for asking. Take away the subsidies and tell me what you're racing for. I'll wait.

So, when Monmouth Park "received" monies to not bring in VLT's, those dollars were a subsidy? When Aqueduct (NYRA) received monies----both from NY State and Genting----those dollars were a type of subsidy? What about the original deal in Ontario, when the Government, and the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation gave dollars to the racetracks? Were those dollars also some type of subsidy? I am just trying to get some distinction here on your perspective.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 23, 2024, 09:57:44 PM
Ok… let’s stop producing cars that are creating pollution and killing our planet. Let’s shut down farms that produce animal related goods and by products because animals die needlessly and there are bad actors in those industries too… we’ll retrain everybody who had no real skills at age 50+ to be carpenters and welders. 90% of the people involved I. Harness racing love the horses … unfortunately you’re to blinded by the vendetta and prefer only to see and focus on the other 10%.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 10:05:16 PM
Ok… let’s stop producing cars that are creating pollution and killing our planet. Let’s shut down farms that produce animal related goods and by products because animals die needlessly and there are bad actors in those industries too… we’ll retrain everybody who had no real skills at age 50+ to be carpenters and welders. 90% of the people involved I. Harness racing love the horses … unfortunately you’re to blinded by the vendetta and prefer only to see and focus on the other 10%.

Harness racing loses money each day without subsidy. So should EVERY business that operates at a loss be supported by the taxpayers? KMart, Sears, every small business killed by big box stores, rotary phones, the 8-track.....shall I continue? How many animals did Ma and Pa Hardware Store endanger? How many people did they fuck over using drugs and fixing races? How many animals ended up slaughtered? Sears helped build the country, poof. What about all those people who worked there for decades? Did they cry "this is all we know" like the stall muckers of  America do when the free ride is threatened? Sorry, your argument fails as bad as the industry. It's over. Stop taking other people's money that should be earmarked for people like teachers, nurses, law enforcement, EMTs, firefighters, Veterans.....not professional shit shovelers who cry they can't go anywhere else.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 23, 2024, 10:18:03 PM
Blinded by the vendetta against an industry… evil has overcome your soul.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 10:24:15 PM
Blinded by the vendetta against an industry… evil has overcome your soul.

You're right. Against the industry. Not the sport. Your industry is a loss and criminal. The sport is dying because you have done nothing to change the industry. Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 23, 2024, 10:51:35 PM
Not playing… proving you have a biased view with truths. I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: The Unstable on May 23, 2024, 11:00:00 PM
So what???  Tell us something new.  Does everone cry when Amazon gets millions of dollars in tax brakes to build a warehouse and creates worse and lower paying job.  One thing good about harness racing the jobs are hands on.  Not only that they create far more revenue for the state in taxes and jobs created then Amazon and others per dollars.  Did you cry when harness racing gave the states 25 percent of millions in the golden age?  Obviously there is rampant cheating issue but welfare is for people not working, at last check my harness trainers are mostly the hardest working people I know.

Take away subsidies there would be no ballet, opera, many museums etc.  Maybe take away subsidies for stadiums etc, yet we only bitch about harness racing and constantly call it welfare. 

Also lots of that money that flows through is taxed, and there is something called income tax that most states have.  So the amount spent as a dollar amount costs the states far less. that is  basic economics.  And yes harness racing would be out of business without slot money but so would most dance and theater groups be too. Heck farmers get subsidies not to grow food. In fact farmers get free water and it takes over 3 gallons to make one almond!  wouldn't it be better to divert that water to drought areas then sudsidize almonds??? People who get flood insurance get a subsidy through the government as it would cost far more to insure on the open market. 

Sorry i'm just sick of harness racing being pointed out all the time.  I get it, the public thinks what we do is cruel and useless, it is a easy target.  I think ballet is useless.

Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 23, 2024, 11:05:53 PM
So what???  Tell us something new.  Does everone cry when Amazon gets millions of dollars in tax brakes to build a warehouse and creates worse and lower paying job.  One thing good about harness racing the jobs are hands on.  Not only that they create far more revenue for the state in taxes and jobs created then Amazon and others per dollars.  Did you cry when harness racing gave the states 25 percent of millions in the golden age?  Obviously there is rampant cheating issue but welfare is for people not working, at last check my harness trainers are mostly the hardest working people I know.

Take away subsidies there would be no ballet, opera, many museums etc.  Maybe take away subsidies for stadiums etc, yet we only bitch about harness racing and constantly call it welfare. 

Also lots of that money that flows through is taxed, and there is something called income tax that most states have.  So the amount spent as a dollar amount costs the states far less. that is  basic economics.  And yes harness racing would be out of business without slot money but so would most dance and theater groups be too.

Are people shoving needles and tubes into those dancers then having the public bet on them? I don't remember reading that the federal government indicted anyone on Broadway for selling non detectable drugs used on actors that caused their hearts to fail.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: The Unstable on May 23, 2024, 11:15:20 PM
Are people shoving needles and tubes into those dancers then having the public bet on them? I don't remember reading that the federal government indicted anyone on Broadway for selling non detectable drugs used on actors that caused their hearts to fail.

No (nor does everyone do it) .  If you think horse racing should be banned for all it's misgivings, so be it.  Breeding a mare over and over is cruel to some but yet you still eat burgers i'm guessing. Are you vegetarian because honestly sentinel animals from a purely ethical standpoint shouldn't be eaten.  But yet we do. 

From a strictly welfare point harness racing is no different then many other industries and organizations.  You hate harness racing because you think it is cruel and for the reprehensible behavior that many exibit.  But you conflate that and call it welfare, it isn't.  It just might make it a poor choice for monies if that's what one believes.

You obviously care about the horses and that's appreciated and respected by me but I do take exception to you calling it welfare (for the tenth time).  Also your take on Yonkers and Faraldo much respected by me. I get it is hard to be sympathetic to the Faraldos bilking Yonkers and the SOA.  But that is corruption.  To punish the people who have nothing to do with him seems unfair. 

For me I do have ethical issues about the sport, but I guess I am too ingrained in it.  Perhaps that makes me a hypocrite. But i'm a hypocrite everytime I take a bite of chicken. 

PS many of those ballerinas and dancers have been sexually abused.  Many are aneorexic and have stunted puberty and don't menstruate.  Same as gymnasts.  And people yet go and pay to see them.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 24, 2024, 06:18:13 AM
Who cares where the purses come from lets just race and enjoy it while e can cause someday it well all go away.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Wild bull on May 24, 2024, 06:36:24 AM
All you clowns talk about is why aren't they "giving" you more. You actually got that part right. Nothing earned. You even say the people who saved racetracks are only driven by money, yet you don't hesitate to take the welfare and drink the Kool-Aid. Only time any of you talk is here because you are scared shitless knowing what will happen if you get caught. They yank your free ride. When you walk in most paddocks it's no different than walking into a social services office. Same thing, prove me wrong.  ngc3

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.   Hey scm your the best you call the people of the plop losers because the post on here but yet your dumb ass posted 18 times in just over three hours and eight in a row but it's ok just keep telling yourself it's everyone else around you that's the problem dummy to bad you weren't working at the WTC on 9/11 the world would be a lot better without a pile of shit like you now go find someone who has wronged you and throw them under the bus for no reason except for revenge not for the good of the business
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: dougie on May 24, 2024, 03:43:53 PM
I live in Maine, and while it's true harness racing gets subsidized by the state, i'd hate to see it end. A lot of great folks who work hard and love racing. I as most Mainers, can probably name 100 things that our great state wastes more money on. But I am glad they are "propping up" harness racing here. It's still fun to watch and I still love it!
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: seriously on May 24, 2024, 05:21:16 PM
You're right. Against the industry. Not the sport. Your industry is a loss and criminal. The sport is dying because you have done nothing to change the industry. Thanks for playing.

For those that are not blinded by stupidity or bias, this is actually a very solid opinion/statement. 

Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: seriously on May 24, 2024, 05:37:20 PM
https://broadandliberty.com/2023/02/08/sport-of-kings-pennsylvania-subsidizes-horse-racing-with-3-5-billion/

My favorite is:

“The subsidies have insulated this industry from changing and, frankly, have done as much to create its demise as anything,” Ward said. “They refuse to adapt to the new reality and they don’t operate on the same business model – the same competitive business model – that most businesses do. I can’t understand why the business community tolerates this.”
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Crash on May 24, 2024, 06:17:18 PM
And the auto industry does?
They’re both subsidized to keep them afloat and workers working.
https://broadandliberty.com/2023/02/08/sport-of-kings-pennsylvania-subsidizes-horse-racing-with-3-5-billion/

My favorite is:

“The subsidies have insulated this industry from changing and, frankly, have done as much to create its demise as anything,” Ward said. “They refuse to adapt to the new reality and they don’t operate on the same business model – the same competitive business model – that most businesses do. I can’t understand why the business community tolerates this.”
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Brown jug on May 24, 2024, 06:41:21 PM
here's a thought for mike and the other economic majors on the site

1. lets add up all the money the government ( yes that's your tax dollars) is giving to house and feed illegals that flood into the country, 90% of them who don't and will never work but will rape,steal,kill
others

2. so if harness racing disappears so do all the vets, blacksmiths, equipment  manufactures etc , etc so then what do those people do, go on unemployment and cost the state more money

3. also without going into detail( it differs by state) much of the money   distributed does come from casino revenue ( remember the cost of them getting to open casino that make them hundreds of millions)

4. yes harness racing does make a contribution to many areas of the economy, called a multiplier effect

is harness racing perfect, far from it, lots of mistakes made , but its not as evil as you make it


Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Calhoun on May 24, 2024, 06:51:38 PM
here's a thought for mike and the other economic majors on the site

1. lets add up all the money the government ( yes that's your tax dollars) is giving to house and feed illegals that flood into the country, 90% of them who don't and will never work but will rape,steal,kill
others

NewsMax Fool
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Kole Hanover on May 24, 2024, 07:06:21 PM


 Definition of Welfare:
 Sitting, rotting in a single room accomodation by yourself.
 No money besides the bread crumbs assistance gives you.
 Calling people out, all while being 1000x worse off than any of those being called out.
 No one takes you serious or wants anything to do with you, a blight on mankind.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: CMJAnew on May 26, 2024, 08:09:42 AM
One area not mentioned in the defense of harness racing and slots/casino revenue….Much of the purse allocation is redistributed at the bar(s).
NOW THAT’S CHURN
 
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 08:49:27 AM

 Definition of Welfare:
 Sitting, rotting in a single room accomodation by yourself.
 No money besides the bread crumbs assistance gives you.
 Calling people out, all while being 1000x worse off than any of those being called out.
 No one takes you serious or wants anything to do with you, a blight on mankind.

You are referring to the ones I call out who live off the government supported industry. I agree. I am what they would be if not for the welfare they race for. I totally agree. In the business world anyone successful would use harness racing as the example of utter failure and what not to do. Veterans living on the street while horse killing drug users have a multi million dollar EBT card.  Such success stories. ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 28, 2024, 08:57:12 AM
I don't care where the money comes from
as long as racing can continue racing it is not coming out of your pocket because your one broke useless cock sucker.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 09:02:46 AM
I don't care where the money comes from
as long as racing can continue racing it is not coming out of your pocket because your one broke useless cock sucker.
Exactly what everyone on welfare says. They don't care where the money they take comes from. It comes from others supporting your loser fucking asses. Congrats. You must be proud.  ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 09:19:22 AM
FACTS: Harness Racing is an "industry" where lower middle class uneducated individuals who can never succeed in the real world or acquire and earn anything on their own that they themselves have worked for can pretend they are a success believing that playing with horses and loading them with drugs to win races makes them somebody. Cleaning stalls, harnessing a horse, bathing them, feeding them isn't work. It takes less knowledge than anyone stocking shelves at Walmart. It's a "job" where those with low self esteem feel like they are needed by someone and they contribute to society. Fact. If the free ride ends tomorrow and harness racing disappears NOBODY outside harness racing will care or notice. Only those who truly deserve the money being tossed in the trash to support a dead and abusive industry. These are facts. Deal with it. https://www.endhorseracingsubsidies.com/
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness racer on May 28, 2024, 10:21:24 AM
You ever seen some of the shelves at Walmart?  Not sure I'd argue they are more skilled than anyone.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Yonkers1A on May 28, 2024, 10:50:04 AM
FACTS: Harness Racing is an "industry" where lower middle class uneducated individuals who can never succeed in the real world or acquire and earn anything on their own that they themselves have worked for can pretend they are a success believing that playing with horses and loading them with drugs to win races makes them somebody. Cleaning stalls, harnessing a horse, bathing them, feeding them isn't work. It takes less knowledge than anyone stocking shelves at Walmart. It's a "job" where those with low self esteem feel like they are needed by someone and they contribute to society. Fact. If the free ride ends tomorrow and harness racing disappears NOBODY outside harness racing will care or notice. Only those who truly deserve the money being tossed in the trash to support a dead and abusive industry. These are facts. Deal with it. https://www.endhorseracingsubsidies.com/

Very interesting post with the link, the momentum to end subsidies is increasing maybe faster than the shrinkage of attendance.

Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 28, 2024, 12:21:25 PM
When the money is gone so will racing then all you losers that think your horsemen will be happy.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: JENNY FROM THE BLOCK on May 28, 2024, 12:33:44 PM
harness racing people are just like carnies. im sure there are plentyof whirly wheels or fry stands that need help. they can travel the country. stop giving these small tracks free money. there should only be a few tracks in operation.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 12:58:40 PM
harness racing people are just like carnies. im sure there are plentyof whirly wheels or fry stands that need help. they can travel the country. stop giving these small tracks free money. there should only be a few tracks in operation.

If they even showed 10% appreciation for the money they steal from the public maybe there could be a little argument. These people whose only skill is using a pitchfork and rake are more entitled than the ones crossing the border and being handed a card, phone, healthcare and hotel room riding the backs of people with actual jobs. Half the so called jobs created in the biz are held by undocumented workers and tax free. Not to mention the cash deals all over. Only economy harness racing stimulates is pharmaceutical and morning after pills.  ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 01:00:30 PM
harness racing people are just like carnies. im sure there are plentyof whirly wheels or fry stands that need help. they can travel the country. stop giving these small tracks free money. there should only be a few tracks in operation.

harness racing people are just like carnies. im sure there are plentyof whirly wheels or fry stands that need help. they can travel the country. stop giving these small tracks free money. there should only be a few tracks in operation.

If they even showed 10% appreciation for the money they steal from the public maybe there could be a little argument. These people whose only skill is using a pitchfork and rake are more entitled than the ones crossing the border and being handed a card, phone, healthcare and hotel room riding the backs of people with actual jobs. Half the so called jobs created in the biz are held by undocumented workers and tax free. Not to mention the cash deals all over. Only economy harness racing stimulates is pharmaceutical and morning after pills.  ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 01:01:29 PM
For those that are not blinded by stupidity or bias, this is actually a very solid opinion/statement.

I'm not bias. I love the sport. I hate what has been done to it.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 01:03:27 PM
When the money is gone so will racing then all you losers that think your horsemen will be happy.

You are living proof of what I am talking about. It's YOU'RE not YOUR. You uneducated wheelbarrow pushing nitwit.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness racer on May 28, 2024, 02:15:00 PM
You are living proof of what I am talking about. It YOU'RE not YOUR. You uneducated wheelbarrow pushing nitwit.

It's...proofread before you talk down to people!  tmbz1
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 02:39:53 PM
It's...proofread before you talk down to people!  tmbz1
Big difference between a typo and not having a fucking clue. Can't talk any further down than the combined IQ of this bunch.  ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness racer on May 28, 2024, 02:43:44 PM
Big difference between a typo and not having a fucking clue. Can't talk any further down than the combined IQ of this bunch.  ngc3

Typo?  You forgot an apostrophe and a letter.  Takes a real genius to cut grass!  tmbz1
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 03:23:17 PM
I'm not living off the government like you people. Here, why don't the states just do direct deposit?
 ngc3
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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 28, 2024, 03:26:47 PM
Mike do you have a job where you make money in any way why do you keep knocking horse racing if you don't like it any more just move on and shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 04:22:50 PM
Mike do you have a job where you make money in any way why do you keep knocking horse racing if you don't like it any more just move on and shut the fuck up.

Wrong again cum stain. I love harness racing. And I don't have to shut the fuck up. You have a problem with me disliking the drugs, abuse and fucking over what public is left that frequents the races? How many new fans do you think there are stupid? Why are most tracks empty? Why does everyone else have to support a dead game? Yet you overpaid equine fecal removal technicians don't care where the money comes from. YOU ARE LITERALLY A TYPICAL WELFARE RECIPIENT!  ngc3
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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness racer on May 28, 2024, 09:04:03 PM
I agree with you in the respect that the scum bag drug trainers and owners who support it are ruining the sport! Or have possibly ruined it for good.  But why insult the people making a living as grooms or jogging?  You love horses, you know stalls have to be cleaned and horses bathed and looked after.  Those aren’t the people ruining the industry. 
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Brown jug on May 28, 2024, 09:42:34 PM
agree harness racer
i wish it was 10,20 ,30 years ago when the sport was much more on the up and up and the people were of a more honest nature( but lets be real, there have always been some with few morals )
as for you mike , i am not sure what you expect people who "work" in the business to be , do you expect the owners who spend millions at the sales to be mucking stalls and training horses, they pay others to do that , someone is not going to pass up a job on wall street to be a groom
i don't think any of us like where the sport is or is headed but come on any time there is competition there are cheats, look at the Olympics and pro sports, everyone wants an edge
the difference which i acknowledge is that in horse racing the horses don't knowingly put the shit in their own body
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 09:59:51 PM
I agree with you in the respect that the scum bag drug trainers and owners who support it are ruining the sport! Or have possibly ruined it for good.  But why insult the people making a living as grooms or jogging?  You love horses, you know stalls have to be cleaned and horses bathed and looked after.  Those aren’t the people ruining the industry.

You fucking serious? You're going to preach to me after the shit I've dealt with sticking my neck out for these animals? You have been right in there for two years when my family and kids were brought up here as weapons. FACT is everyone in the game is living off welfare. Slice it however you want. And when the day comes where the money stops all those people will lose their jobs. I do feel bad for the decent people in the game, they don't stand a chance. You think this is going to last forever? Amazing how fast you get your panties in a bunch even as you address me as the same nameless coward for two years. If the business was ever cleaned up and by some miracle people came back it could stand on its own and not need the welfare.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Gaagoots on May 28, 2024, 10:16:36 PM
FACTS: Harness Racing is an "industry" where lower middle class uneducated individuals who can never succeed in the real world or acquire and earn anything on their own that they themselves have worked for can pretend they are a success believing that playing with horses and loading them with drugs to win races makes them somebody. Cleaning stalls, harnessing a horse, bathing them, feeding them isn't work. It takes less knowledge than anyone stocking shelves at Walmart. It's a "job" where those with low self esteem feel like they are needed by someone and they contribute to society. Fact. If the free ride ends tomorrow and harness racing disappears NOBODY outside harness racing will care or notice. Only those who truly deserve the money being tossed in the trash to support a dead and abusive industry. These are facts. Deal with it. https://www.endhorseracingsubsidies.com/
You mean like Mark Ford who became a Multi millionaire in the business?? Or maybe Steve Jones who's also done quite well?  Perhaps you meant Billy Faucher who was also an American politician as well as a successful horse trainer. He served as a member for the Cheshire 3rd district of the New Hampshire House of Representatives. Think before you talk my boy you're making ass out of yourself again!
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 28, 2024, 10:45:57 PM
You mean like Mark Ford who became a Multi millionaire in the business?? Or maybe Steve Jones who's also done quite well?  Perhaps you meant Billy Faucher who was also an American politician as well as a successful horse trainer. He served as a member for the Cheshire 3rd district of the New Hampshire House of Representatives. Think before you talk my boy you're making ass out of yourself again!

Ford who always plays by the rules?  ngc3
Steve Jones inherited what Daddy built.   ngc3
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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 29, 2024, 09:15:18 AM
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Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 29, 2024, 09:31:04 AM
He goes on about all the drug they been there for ever all ways will,big oil get billions from the feds not a word about that cause he is in harness racing and never made a dime so doesn't want any one else to make money to complete loser.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 29, 2024, 11:15:33 AM
He goes on about all the drug they been there for ever all ways will,big oil get billions from the feds not a word about that cause he is in harness racing and never made a dime so doesn't want any one else to make money to complete loser.

Hey dumbass. Without big oil everything comes to a complete stop. Without harness racing money can be distributed to people who actually deserve it and are in need. Plus thousands of Standardbreds won't be created then destroyed for profit.

DEAL WITH IT LOSER...
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: bestbetter on May 29, 2024, 11:56:03 AM
Do you want harness racing to disappear?
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 29, 2024, 04:10:20 PM
Do you want harness racing to disappear?

Keep doing what you all are doing which is nothing and it will. Don't blame me when the welfare ends. Do any of you believe it should start to earn on its own like it used to? Or just keep living off everyone else like bums.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 29, 2024, 05:17:49 PM
Mike you are a complete loser going no where we do not need jerks like you here people who run racing are the problem they do not do any thing unless your some little guy big guys get away with murder.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 29, 2024, 06:01:28 PM
Mike you are a complete loser going no where we do not need jerks like you here people who run racing are the problem they do not do any thing unless your some little guy big guys get away with murder.
You just admit the industry is criminal and you call me a loser?  ngc3
Get back on the welfare line and empty your wheelbarrow.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: wiseowl on May 29, 2024, 09:39:27 PM
I never said any such thing you talk in circles that what jerks do.
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 29, 2024, 10:23:00 PM
I never said any such thing you talk in circles that what jerks do.

Equine Fecal Removal Technician isn't something to be proud of on a resume.  ngc3
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Wild bull on May 30, 2024, 02:05:23 AM
FACTS: Harness Racing is an "industry" where lower middle class uneducated individuals who can never succeed in the real world or acquire and earn anything on their own that they themselves have worked for can pretend they are a success believing that playing with horses and loading them with drugs to win races makes them somebody. Cleaning stalls, harnessing a horse, bathing them, feeding them isn't work. It takes less knowledge than anyone stocking shelves at Walmart. It's a "job" where those with low self esteem feel like they are needed by someone and they contribute to society. Fact. If the free ride ends tomorrow and harness racing disappears NOBODY outside harness racing will care or notice. Only those who truly deserve the money being tossed in the trash to support a dead and abusive industry. These are facts. Deal with it. https://www.endhorseracingsubsidies.com/
.    Holy fuck if this ain't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is the .ore you talk the more you prove how retarded you really are dummy
Title: Re: Harness Racing Is The Very Definition Of Welfare Supported
Post by: Ramnap on May 30, 2024, 05:58:48 AM
As much of a douche as Mike is we all know creating and breeding these majestic animals to stand in shit their entire life and exercise when we feel like it should be a crime. Ohh the vets.  Let's freeze fire, pin fire, scope, inject, laser, taser, shockwave and throat shot and maybe a little emf.  Twitch em tq'em and knock em Round a lil just because they won't stand there for the tube and needles. If you ask me this game belongs back in the 1700's you savages. Freedom of speech mutha fucka's
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