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Title: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: theokodjak26 on February 27, 2024, 04:55:52 PM
Today the Monticello average race handle $71,000. Saratoga average $50,000. Pocono last two afternoon handles average a little less than $30,000 a race. Pocono has much better horses, drivers, trainers and 5/8 racing allows for more competitive racing where the outside posts have a better chance to be involved in many cases. So what gives here? Is it the bad reputation Pocono has earned regarding cheating?
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: Yonkers1A on February 27, 2024, 05:07:43 PM
Today the Monticello average race handle $71,000. Saratoga average $50,000. Pocono last two afternoon handles average a little less than $30,000 a race. Pocono has much better horses, drivers, trainers and 5/8 racing allows for more competitive racing where the outside posts have a better chance to be involved in many cases. So what gives here? Is it the bad reputation Pocono has earned regarding cheating?

Yes

Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: Bitter Truth on February 27, 2024, 05:27:57 PM
Also betting options [50cent  rolling pic 3] certainly makes a difference.
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: Jctoronto on February 27, 2024, 06:35:25 PM
Sitting in east Toronto teletheater Monday

Keep making these observations

Noon Saratoga et start. Canadian crazies allowed to play 20 cent supers 60cent tris, win 4s pk5...

1210 Monticello. Canadian crazies get no discount. Buck minimum everywhere BUT I believe the start time and the straight foreward same horses and drivers each week makes people 'think' its easy. Its dirty as hell but there is a 'method to its backstretch madness' and i think veteran half mile and program players can readily follow.  Bigger handl. Bigger payoffs. Its in with our north of border getting gang

Starting later than thst, and often hard to find, Pocono canadian crazies get no discounts. Dollar minimums. (and much the same crew and nominal action as Harrahs Philly and its buck mins)

TV positioning on monday...
4 on one wall.   L-R. Sara Monti Parx Mahoning V.
No room for Pocono.
I looked around big room..found it buried. A couple places with Fairgrounds 130p, etc.
And on Meadows days even more lost.

UP HERE, POCONO CONSIDERED A PRICEY AFTERTHOUGHT.  THE BUZZ YRS AGO..THE 530P TIMESLOT IS NOW LONG GONE...OHIO and all its 20cent mins have clearly taken that timeslot.
Harrahs Philly..the feel much the same...no one cares.
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: bello on February 27, 2024, 06:46:08 PM
Pretty simple answer.

Open the program   see
Eckley
Dowse
Tanneyhill
Mosher
Pena

Look elsewhere    Inmates literally run the asylum
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: Harness Stats on February 27, 2024, 07:38:43 PM
You guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Pocono's takeout in exotics is higher than anywhere else and that's the main reason the handle sucks.
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: theokodjak26 on February 27, 2024, 08:17:14 PM
I believe the exotics used be a 30% takeout. Nowadays I believe it has been lowered to be somewhat competitive.
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: MR.DALRAE on February 27, 2024, 09:51:58 PM
Takeout is still the highest
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on February 27, 2024, 11:01:22 PM
Today the Monticello average race handle $71,000. Saratoga average $50,000. Pocono last two afternoon handles average a little less than $30,000 a race. Pocono has much better horses, drivers, trainers and 5/8 racing allows for more competitive racing where the outside posts have a better chance to be involved in many cases. So what gives here? Is it the bad reputation Pocono has earned regarding cheating?

Goes to show you huh? Can't apply logic to an illogical situation. LOL.
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: The Exporter on February 28, 2024, 06:07:50 AM
Going back to the days when they ran Thoroughbreds, Pocohoe had a piss poor handle.
Title: Re: Pocono Downs Handle
Post by: dinkadoo on February 28, 2024, 08:55:59 AM
1) Not a fan of PA racing - high takeout

2) Line up racing, guys will choke their horse to give a buddy a hole, no movement

3) Pocono should have a welcome sign out front -- Welcome one and all trainers with a shady reputation.

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