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Title: who is----
Post by: rainman2 on February 21, 2024, 07:21:00 PM
19-year-old William Carter currently racing at Rosecroft?

Better than Ahle and Roberts?

Please chime in!
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: PIGLAND on February 21, 2024, 07:27:04 PM
i dont like young boys
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: rainman2 on February 21, 2024, 08:01:41 PM
i dont like young boys

Maybe lance can give us a different perspective. Thank you for putting your 2 cents in!!
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Harness racer on February 22, 2024, 09:57:51 AM
19-year-old William Carter currently racing at Rosecroft?

Better than Ahle and Roberts?

Please chime in!

Ahle is the real deal.  Roberts never did improve and is average at best.  Carter looks to have some potential!
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Stan durbread on February 22, 2024, 10:00:00 AM
Billy is a nice kid. Comes from a family of horsemen not sure he will ever be a TT but looks competent and handles a bad actor well
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: bello on February 22, 2024, 10:09:45 AM
He is improving very quickly. Need to make sure it is JR. when betting. Daddy been racing for years and not very good.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Harness racer on February 22, 2024, 10:15:27 AM
He is improving very quickly. Need to make sure it is JR. when betting. Daddy been racing for years and not very good.

Funny you said that, I was thinking the exact same thing!   tmbz1
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: onabrake on February 22, 2024, 10:20:42 AM
Carter spent last summer at Ocean Downs and batted 178... any other questions. Has a very low ceiling. Roberts the best of a bad Ocean Downs/Rosecroft group along with Porter and Foster. Neither of these three can cut it at Dover for real money and that is very telling.

As for Ahle, he is probably the best of the entire group moving forward, but is now finding M1 much more difficult over the last month and will be gone once Tetrick, Gingras and Zeron are back full time Fri/Sat.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: shotgunner on February 22, 2024, 10:29:24 AM
Carter spent last summer at Ocean Downs and batted 178... any other questions. Has a very low ceiling. Roberts the best of a bad Ocean Downs/Rosecroft group along with Porter and Foster. Neither of these three can cut it at Dover for real money and that is very telling.

As for Ahle, he is probably the best of the entire group moving forward, but is now finding M1 much more difficult over the last month and will be gone once Tetrick, Gingras and Zeron are back full time Fri/Sat.
.178 for an 18 yr old and no power behind him is actually really good.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: onabrake on February 22, 2024, 10:34:10 AM
.178 for an 18 yr old and no power behind him is actually really good.


Not at Ocean Downs and the kid has a family history in the sport. Rosecroft/Ocean as a ham and egger is as far as he goes versus comparing hi to somebody like Brett Beckwith in the same age category..... no contest.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Stan durbread on February 22, 2024, 03:20:19 PM
Let’s be honest. Beckwith came with a lot more family power behind him
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: rainman2 on February 22, 2024, 06:13:37 PM
Let’s be honest. Beckwith came with a lot more family power behind him

Brett also got drives from many of those who knew the family well from Saratoga and Plainridge and he took full advantage of this. Brett would actually warm up a few of his drives in the past too. Does he still do this now, I really don’t know.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: rainman2 on February 22, 2024, 07:28:37 PM
the beat goes on at rosecroft thursday night 2-22 race 1---the kid strikes again at 23/1 and never seeing the pylons!

The beat goes on again in race 2---perfect 2-hole pocket trip at 3/1!
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: onabrake on February 22, 2024, 07:49:10 PM
Brett Beckwith and William Carter are on two different driving planets, and always will be, family history or not. Brett shows natural talent, patience and hands in the bike, these other kids only know one way, to the front and air it out hoping to last on the front end. Talent gets power, plain and simple.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Oliver Clozoff on February 22, 2024, 09:29:11 PM
i dont like young boys

Yeah we know you're a bear guy.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: rainman2 on February 22, 2024, 11:02:52 PM
6 on the night for Carter aka John Campbell in the words of the track announcer!

4 on the night for trainer Johnny Crites Jr AKA Per Engblom of Rosecroft in the words of the track announcer!
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Harnesspower on February 23, 2024, 08:08:54 AM
Product is unbettable-…One of the reasons is the 1st race …horse never saw the rail and wins at 23-1…how can you bet a race like that and think it’s a fair race?...trainer scored 4/8 for the night picking up checks with 7/8 and is now the per engblom of Rosecroft …I guess I’m going back to betting t-breds ….
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: onabrake on February 23, 2024, 09:41:52 AM
Hey maybe karma for the less than stellar words in describing Carter. A career night that had less than a dozen in attendance. Ever see the apron at Rosecroft. Empty and I mean zero, zilch, nobody there, empty. Congrats William, 6 is hard to get at any level.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: Oliver Clozoff on February 23, 2024, 12:25:21 PM
Product is unbettable-…One of the reasons is the 1st race …horse never saw the rail and wins at 23-1…how can you bet a race like that and think it’s a fair race?...trainer scored 4/8 for the night picking up checks with 7/8 and is now the per engblom of Rosecroft …I guess I’m going back to betting t-breds ….

What, you think they're pulling off betting coups at Rosecroft?  The handle per race is like 10k. The purse is higher.
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: rainman2 on February 23, 2024, 05:27:31 PM
Product is unbettable-…One of the reasons is the 1st race …horse never saw the rail and wins at 23-1…how can you bet a race like that and think it’s a fair race?...trainer scored 4/8 for the night picking up checks with 7/8 and is now the per engblom of Rosecroft …I guess I’m going back to betting t-breds ….

Is Rosecroft unbettable? A matter of opinion. If you can figure out to get rid of some heavy chalk, big time payouts (relative to the pool size) are available to you the bettor. Very entertaining races  with plenty of early speed in more races than not!
Title: Re: who is----
Post by: theokodjak26 on February 23, 2024, 09:43:11 PM
Bigger gamblers cannot bet tracks like Rosecroft. A big bet in one of their pools greatly skewes their odds.
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