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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: samstar on February 03, 2024, 07:32:18 PM
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I see he has a trotter listed on On Gait. I would be very careful before I bid on one of his horses. Used pictures that were almost a year old on a horse I bought from him. Never again!
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I had an owner buy a horse from him recently. They told the owner horse was sound no issues. He was a 2yr old when I got him had freeze marks up and down his right hind leg.
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Thats what I am talking about!
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HOW ABOUT ONGAIT TAKING HIS SIDE AND ALLOWING ERV AND THE OTHER CHEATERS TO FUCK OVER UNSUSPECTING BUYERS. ONGAIT COULD STOP THAT SHIT IF THEY WANTED BUT IF ERIC AND MAURICE LIKE YOU THEY'LL LET YOU SELL A BROKEN BONE HORSE AND PUT UP PICS OF A TOTALLY DIFFERNT HORSE AND TURN A BLAND EYE.
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there ae lots of issues with ongait
the main one being you cant see the bidding process but the wizards behind the curtain can
no thanks
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HOW ABOUT ONGAIT TAKING HIS SIDE AND ALLOWING ERV AND THE OTHER CHEATERS TO FUCK OVER UNSUSPECTING BUYERS. ONGAIT COULD STOP THAT SHIT IF THEY WANTED BUT IF ERIC AND MAURICE LIKE YOU THEY'LL LET YOU SELL A BROKEN BONE HORSE AND PUT UP PICS OF A TOTALLY DIFFERNT HORSE AND TURN A BLAND EYE.
There couldn't be two bigger scumbags than Eric and Maurice. I would never trust them.
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Where is Lucpark saying that Miller is a Christian and a good man
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Had to eat a trotter he sold at Harrisburg.
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Where is Lucpark saying that Miller is a Christian and a good man
Unusual that no one is defending Miller.
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Personally, I think ongait and all these online sites are offering a buyer a way to buy and cut corners. Don't do it! I bought one online and I did exactly what I do for a private purchase -- send someone to look at the horse TODAY, vet him TODAY, sit behind the horse is possible, and so on. I prefer buying privately vs the sales, online or otherwise.
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The real issue, other than Erv doing this is ongait! If you trust Eric and Maurice, you are either naive or a fool. Whether they know or not, they are either duplicitous or ignorant, and smart as well because I am sure they have done everything to protect themselves.
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I had an owner buy a horse from him recently. They told the owner horse was sound no issues. He was a 2yr old when I got him had freeze marks up and down his right hind leg.
THEN HES A fckin idiiot ..
HE bought a trotter off a top trainer and when horse didnt improve or go on you blame the trainer or the sales sight AND CRY WOLF ngc3 ngc3
dont buy horses on internet..
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demand an inspection ..or just pass..
PIGEON BRAIN ngc3 ngc3
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Where is Lucpark saying that Miller is a Christian and a good man
GUY BOUGHT A HORSE ON THE INTERNET AND NOW IS CRYIN
DID ERV FORCE HIM TO BUY IT ngc3 ngc3
DID MAURICE OR ERIC FORCE HIM TO BUY ngc3 ngc3
LOOK IN THAT MIRROR THAT MIRROR NEVER LIES
EARLY CANDIDATE FOR PIGEON OF THE YR FOR 2024
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YAROCK MIGHT HAVE THAT ALREADY LOCKED UP THOUGH ngc3 ngc3
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Who is/was the whiner. If some people are selling horses, it's the biggest red flag. Owners/buyers should be careful. Err Miller is no christian.
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HOW ABOUT ONGAIT TAKING HIS SIDE AND ALLOWING ERV AND THE OTHER CHEATERS TO FUCK OVER UNSUSPECTING BUYERS. ONGAIT COULD STOP THAT SHIT IF THEY WANTED BUT IF ERIC AND MAURICE LIKE YOU THEY'LL LET YOU SELL A BROKEN BONE HORSE AND PUT UP PICS OF A TOTALLY DIFFERNT HORSE AND TURN A BLAND EYE.
LAO, your 100% right on this topic. Seems ONGait has been doing it for so long, its just business as usual for those folks. You just need to give these guys a little rope, and they'll find a way to hang everone.
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Hey Rocco....Care to comment on why Miller used pictures that were 1 year old or did you just happen to overlook that statement. I understand buyer beware but posting pictures that are not of the actual horse seems like anyone who does that knows exactly what they are doing. If that can be proven the seller should be banned and all monies refunded not to mention that Ongait should put a post explaining what happened. This is the right thing to do but then again we are talking about $$$$$ where right is usually wrong
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Hey Rocco....Care to comment on why Miller used pictures that were 1 year old or did you just happen to overlook that statement. I understand buyer beware but posting pictures that are not of the actual horse seems like anyone who does that knows exactly what they are doing. If that can be proven the seller should be banned and all monies refunded not to mention that Ongait should put a post explaining what happened. This is the right thing to do but then again we are talking about $$$$$ where right is usually wrong
Miller is not doing himself any favors by having lucpark as his online spokesperson
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Hey Rocco....Care to comment on why Miller used pictures that were 1 year old or did you just happen to overlook that statement. I understand buyer beware but posting pictures that are not of the actual horse seems like anyone who does that knows exactly what they are doing. If that can be proven the seller should be banned and all monies refunded not to mention that Ongait should put a post explaining what happened. This is the right thing to do but then again we are talking about $$$$$ where right is usually wrong
If it can be proven that he was using old pictures you should sue him not the online platform
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If it can be proven that he was using old pictures you should sue him not the online platform
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. I WOULDN'T SO MUCH AS HOLD ONGAIT RESPONSIBLE AS I WOULD ERV MILLER. HOWEVER IF THERE IS EVEN A HINT OG MISREPRESENTATION AT ALL, THEN ONGAIT SHOULD HELP THE BUYER IF THEY DECIDE TO FILE A LAWSUIT AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF ERV. I WOULD ALSO GO ON EVERY PLATFORM AND TALK TO EVERY HORSEMAN THAT I POSSIBLY COULD EVEN THE USTA AND SHOW EXACTLY WHAT ERV MILLER DID. ITS GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ONGAIT OFFERS ANY HELP AT ALL TO THE BUYER AND BARS ERV MILLER FROM LISTING OR BUYING ANYTHING. I WONDER WHAT DOUG OVERHISER AND ROCCO RUFFALO THINK OF HONEST ERV MILLER NOW?
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The only reason you sue is to line the pockets of the lawyers. Not sure what the horse costs but is someone really going to spend half or more to get the other half back. What should happen, but won't, is if the buyer can prove the pics are outdated Ongait should step in and do what L&O says. But Ongait has their money and will do nothing to help, in addition to the fact Miller is bigger than the buyer, which should not matter but it does
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Just so you all know, some of the shareholders and/or members of On-Gait are Andy & Julie Miller,(for there kids) and there ally N Surick. The bought into it a few years back and will make sure that nothing happens here and they can continue to list horses for sale no matter what. They take care of their own and fill their pockets without fear of consequences. Do yourself a favor and just stay clear of these operations! Nothing good can come of doing business with these folks.
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Just so you all know, some of the shareholders and/or members of On-Gait are Andy & Julie Miller,(for there kids) and there ally N Surick. The bought into it a few years back and will make sure that nothing happens here and they can continue to list horses for sale no matter what. They take care of their own and fill their pockets without fear of consequences. Do yourself a favor and just stay clear of these operations! Nothing good can come of doing business with these folks.
Why would the developer of Ongait sell shares? It has been a solid business since they started it. As with any online or other auction services the statement is the seller’s responsibility and the buyer has the responsibility to due their own due diligence.
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The original owners of the company made business decision to “cash out,” and made a proposition to people familiar in with their business and found some interested buyers. Happens every day in the business world aka Elon Musk. As BT Barnum said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
And they keep on coming back for more!
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Jared Cooper, aka Equus Caballus on Horseplop, is or was an executive assistant for ongait.
Maybe he can shed some light.
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Why would the developer of Ongait sell shares? It has been a solid business since they started it. As with any online or other auction services the statement is the seller’s responsibility and the buyer has the responsibility to due their own due diligence.
HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU DO THE DUE DILIGENCE WHEN A COCKSUCKER PUTS UP PICS OF THE WRONG HORSE. I MEAN COME ON. A BUYER CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH BUT PUTTING UP PICS OF A DIFFERENT HORSE AND REPRESENTING THE HORSE AS SOUND IS TOTAL BULLSHIT IN MY OPINION. THAT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG AND VERY EVIL. ONE DAY PRICKS LIKE THAT WILL GET THEIR DUE. IF HE DID THAT TO ME I PROMISE YOU I WOULDNT SAY ONE WORD BUT I WOULD WAIT FOR HIM OUTSIDE OF THE TRACK ONE NIGHT AND PUT A GUN RIGHT TO HIS TEMPLE AND TELL HIM IF I DIDNT HAVE MY MONEY BACK WITHIN 24 HOURS THE NEXT TIME I SEE HIM HE WONT LIVE.
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IF THESE WERE PICTURES OF A HORSE THAT WERE TO BE CURRENT PHOTOS AND THEY WERE DTED BY A YEAR AND IF THE ANIMAL WAS STATED AS "SOUND" AND IF THE BUYER RELIED ON THESE PHOTOS AND PICTURES TO MAKE A PURCHASE THEN THIS IS IN FACT A FEDERAL OFFENSE. I WOULD RECOMMEND CALLING THE FBI IN THE JURISDICTION WHERE THE BUYER LIVES AND THE TRANSACTION TOOK PLACE----REPORT ALL OF THE DETAILS OF SAID TRANSACTION TO THE FBI----THEY WILL DECIDE IF THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PURSUE AN INVESTIGATION INTO THIS ISSUE. THIS DECISION COMES FAIRLY QUICKLY AS THEY WOULD MAKE PHONE CALLS AND DO EXTENSIVE DUE DILIGENCE IN A TIMEL FASHION. IF THEY FIND THAT THERE IS SUFFIIENT EVIDENCE OF SUCH A CRIME---THEY WILL LAUNCH A FULL SCALE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MATTER AND POSSIBLE CHARGE THESE FOLKS.
I AM NOT SURE WHERE THE BUYER IS LOCATED BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE TO CALL---THE LOCAL FBI OFFICE IN HIS STATE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK HAS EXTENSIVE FILES ON MANY IN THE EQUINE INDUSTRY. NOT SURE IF THIS FELLA WAS MENTIONED IN ANY OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE BUT THE DA IN SOUTHERN DISTRICT COULD BE CONTACTED AS WELL AND THIS ISSUE COULD BE REPORTED. NOT SURE WHERE THE SELLER OR BUYER IS FROM BUT IF THIS HORSE HAS RACED AT YONKERS OF NEW YORK THEY MAY BE ABLE TO TIE IN JURISDICTIONAL PROSECUTION IF IN FACT THIS HAS OCCURRED.
I TRUTHFULLY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OF THIS EXCEPT THE STATEMENTS MADE AND THIS COULD BE AN AVENUE TO FOLLOW IF IN FACT ALL OF THIS OCCURRED.
ADDITIONALLY IF IN FACT SEVERAL OWNERS OF STOCK OF THE SALES COMPANY WERE IN FACT INDICTED AND CHARGED THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT SHOULD BE CONTACTED AND NOTIFIED IN ORDER TO HELP COLLECT THE MILLIONS IN RESTITUTION THAT THESE FOLKS FROM PRIOR CHARGES ARE OWED. I WOULD GUESS IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THESE ASSETS WERE NOT DISCLOSED TO THE FEDS WHEN THEY WERE SENTENCED AND ARE CURRENTLY SERVING THEIR TIME. IT IS POSSIBLE THEY WERE NOT DISCLOSED. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SALES COMPANY BUT THE FINANCIALS OF THE FOLKS INDICTED AND NOW SERVING TIME WITH RESTITUTION.
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Why would the developer of Ongait sell shares? It has been a solid business since they started it. As with any online or other auction services the statement is the seller’s responsibility and the buyer has the responsibility to due their own due diligence.
They're not all success' what happened to HOOFBID?
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Erv the crook being defended by a car salesman. You can't make this shit up! ngc3
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That trotter listed on ongait couldn't beat a 10 claimer
56.3 riding the rail at The Meadowlands (last Friday) is nothing
if 24,800 is a live bid that individual is a fool
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unlikely its a real bid ( lets hope not)
its likely a shill
erv can register, get a few of his kids to register, maybe get luc park to register
last real bid was likely about 5 bids ago
just stop buying from these sites and they will go away or clean up
maybe just end up selling stallion shares
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I see he has a trotter listed on On Gait. I would be very careful before I bid on one of his horses. Used pictures that were almost a year old on a horse I bought from him. Never again!
A friend bought Roy Orbisong from him in a sale as a 3 year old for $98000. He had a chipped bone in his knee. Vet who looked at it next day said it was not a new chip. Stopped payment on the check. They wouldn't take him back so my friend sent him a bill after 6 months for care and feeding. They finally settled for a big discount. After a year off he came back and was quite a racehorse. Took a mark of 1:50:1 at Harrington and made almost $400000.
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Why is this thread news to anyone? Its been known for years that buyer beware when buying from certain trainers. The subject matter here is NO EXCEPTION. In fact most know the reputed M.O. so anyone buying from this barn is either a fool, or thinkc they can some how improve on horses drilled into the ground.
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Muscle dynasty was sold from his barn. 200k in a year and a half later
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Lets not forget DOMETHATAGAIN, Allard launched that one after buying from Erv. But again, buyer beware, do your own homework. Its up to the buyer, not as much the seller.
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They're not all success' what happened to HOOFBID?
Also ehorse.
Eharness gets like 1 listing a week.
Harnessbid has no listings.
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Sold to Erv Miller! Sham bidding all the way!
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Why is this thread news to anyone? Its been known for years that buyer beware when buying from certain trainers. The subject matter here is NO EXCEPTION. In fact most know the reputed M.O. so anyone buying from this barn is either a fool, or thinkc they can some how improve on horses drilled into the ground.
COME ON XYZ. I KNOW YOU BETTER THAN THIS. HOW IN THE FUCK CAN ANYONE TELL IF A BASTARD LIKE ERV POSTS OLD PHOTOS OR PHOTOS THAT ARENT EVEN THE HORSE THAT IS UP FOR AUCTION? THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. I HOPE THE GUY DOES WHAT COUNSELOR SAID TO DO AND THAT IS REPORT ERV AND ONGAIT ON HOW HE WAS SCAMMED AND LET THE FEDS STEP IN. HONEST ERV HAS ANOTHER HORSE ON ONGAIT RIGHT NOW SO ITS CLEAR THAT MAURICE AND ERIC ARE WORSE THAN HIM. HOPE THEY ALL GET INVESTIGATED AND GO DOWN TOGETHER. AND I DONT WANNA HEAR THAT BULLSHIT BUYER BEWARD. WHEN YOU HAVE POND SCUM AS LOW AS ONGAIT AND ERV, THESE ARE SOME EVIL CHEATING POS SCUMBAGS.
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I'm guessing by SAMSTAR's bitter comments that PONDA ADVENTURE has a big hole in him somewhere and is not the horse he was expecting! tmbz1
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JUST HEARD THAT ONGAIT IS SAYING THEY DONT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS SAD SITUATION. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
MEANWHILE ERIC AND MAURICE ARE LETTING ERV SELL MORE RATS ON THERE CROOKED WEBSITE
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Almost $73k is a steep price for a horse without a recent picture. Only a true piece of shit would pull something like that if it's true.
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Almost $73k is a steep price for a horse without a recent picture. Only a true piece of shit would pull something like that if it's true.
YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I SKIPPED OUT ON A FEW BILLS AND FILED BK TWICE, BUT I NEVER FUCKED ONE PERSON AROUND TO THE EXTENT OF 73K. I'M JUST SAYING WE'VE ALL DONE SHIT THAT WERE MAYBE NOT THE BEST THING LOOKING BACK, BUT WHEN ERV DID HERE TO THIS POOR GUY IS JUST DOWNRIGHT EVIL. I MEAN IT MAKES YOU WONDER HOW HE CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT. I MEAN SOONER OR LATER SOMEONE WILL BUST HIS FUCKING HEAD. JUST SAYING......
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COME ON XYZ. I KNOW YOU BETTER THAN THIS. HOW IN THE FUCK CAN ANYONE TELL IF A BASTARD LIKE ERV POSTS OLD PHOTOS OR PHOTOS THAT ARENT EVEN THE HORSE THAT IS UP FOR AUCTION? THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO. I HOPE THE GUY DOES WHAT COUNSELOR SAID TO DO AND THAT IS REPORT ERV AND ONGAIT ON HOW HE WAS SCAMMED AND LET THE FEDS STEP IN. HONEST ERV HAS ANOTHER HORSE ON ONGAIT RIGHT NOW SO ITS CLEAR THAT MAURICE AND ERIC ARE WORSE THAN HIM. HOPE THEY ALL GET INVESTIGATED AND GO DOWN TOGETHER. AND I DONT WANNA HEAR THAT BULLSHIT BUYER BEWARD. WHEN YOU HAVE POND SCUM AS LOW AS ONGAIT AND ERV, THESE ARE SOME EVIL CHEATING POS SCUMBAGS.
I'm in full support of your statements here. But as with any so called "auction" its buyer beware. If they were internet intelligent they could require date and time stamped photos. Problem solved.
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I'm in full support of your statements here. But as with any so called "auction" its buyer beware. If they were internet intelligent they could require date and time stamped photos. Problem solved.
I AGREE BUT SHOULD A BUYER REALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT? I MEAN CANT THERE BE JUST A LITTLE TRUST AMONG PEOPLE ANYMORE? I BLAME ONGAIT BECAUSE THEY REALLY COULD STOP THAT SHIT IF THEY WANTED TO. THINK ABOUT THIS, HONEST ERV MIXED WITH MAURICE AND ERIC. HOW MUCH INTEGRITY YOU THINK THAT TRIO HAS? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I AGREE BUT SHOULD A BUYER REALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT? I MEAN CANT THERE BE JUST A LITTLE TRUST AMONG PEOPLE ANYMORE? I BLAME ONGAIT BECAUSE THEY REALLY COULD STOP THAT SHIT IF THEY WANTED TO. THINK ABOUT THIS, HONEST ERV MIXED WITH MAURICE AND ERIC. HOW MUCH INTEGRITY YOU THINK THAT TRIO HAS? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Trust? In the Harness Business? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 My dear, dear friend Law and Order.
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I bet Erv and the boys are laughing it up. Remember, he is being defended by a car salesman and no one else. I do think it's buyer beware, but this is to the point of fraud. I bet Luc doesn't advertise his cars with year old pictures.
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I'd be willing to bet if Samstar chipped in for SCM's trip to Indiana that he would also look into this! ngc3
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I bet Erv and the boys are laughing it up. Remember, he is being defended by a car salesman and no one else. I do think it's buyer beware, but this is to the point of fraud. I bet Luc doesn't advertise his cars with year old pictures.
i dont defend anyone
guy bought a horse without inspection
and horse didnt go on..
horses sold on internet have issues for the most part ,,or they wood not be sold
few move on towards better ..most regress..
look in the MIRROR ,,
blame yourself for not doing proper work before buying ..
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Real simple question which I hope you answer Lucpark....why did Miller post year old pictures? Please don't tell me he made a mistake since if that was the case Miller should immediately apologize and refund the money. Let me present this scenario...the buyer shows up and picks up the horse but gives Miller a bad check or stops payment on it. What would Miller's position be about that. I am sure he would demand good funds same as the buyer should get the same horse that was pictured.
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Buyer Beware!!! day old, week old, month old, or year old. whats in a picture? if your to cheap to send a vet to check the horse, go get a parakeet.
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Shady as fuck to post old pictures...but I do agree it's buyer beware and you really should have the horses examined first. Especially for that kind of money. Seems like a bad decision all the way around or too much ego thinking anything can be improved. Just my opinion.
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Buyer Beware!!! day old, week old, month old, or year old. whats in a picture? if your to cheap to send a vet to check the horse, go get a parakeet.
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BUT THE PICTURES WOOD HAVE HELPED ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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still waiting for an answer Lucpark
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still waiting for an answer Lucpark
THEN I DONT HAVE THE ANSWERS YOUR SEEKING
I DONT SPEAK FOR PEOPLE ..
CALL THEM YOURSELF
GIVE THEM YOUR REAL NAME AND THAT YOURE A CONCERNED HONEST CITIZEN WITH QUESTIONS DEMANDING ANSWERS ..
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i dont defend anyone
guy bought a horse without inspection
and horse didnt go on..
horses sold on internet have issues for the most part ,,or they wood not be sold
few move on towards better ..most regress..
look in the MIRROR ,,
blame yourself for not doing proper work before buying ..
I bought one horse once, did okay and sold him. Old class horse that I thought could help by a lot of rubbing the old stove pipe legs...
Other than that --- sales are O.P.J. Other Peoples Junk...
It so hard to find a horse that can make money, and when you see one that is doing it --- and is up for sale -- RED FLAG
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I'm in full internestsupport of your statements here. But as with any so called "auction" its buyer beware. If they were internet intelligent they could require date and time stamped photos. Problem solved.
i have bought several horses on the internet with no problem. They certainly all havent been winners but I have never had someone answer my questions dishonestly. Maybe they soften it by saying the horse is a little off on the left front rather then DEAD ;lame, Erv posted pictures that he used in the January preferred sale. They are still up on the site. The horse had an open wound under his knee the size of a peanut butter cup. I have never seen a horse hit so bad and I am 80 years old. If he had posted current pictures he wouldn't have gotten a bid. If he had posted NO pictures I would not have bought the horse without having him vetted or having another trainer look at him for me. i understand that Eric is not a police man. The fact of the matter is, there are several people who claim to have been cheated by Erv through on Gait and some say they have been banned for complaining. Perhaps Eric should consider banning Erv. Meanwhile I have accepted the challenge of getting this horse off of his knee. The horse is a gentleman to work with and a gamer. i will still buy from On Gait but I will research out the people I am buying from. Samstar has a favorite saying. "If you deal with Assholes you will come out smelling of SHIT".
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The guy has made more money and has more Wins than any of us on this forum will ever have. But some of you guys continuously hate on the guy. People will always be jealous of success 11.wp
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The guy has made more and has more than any of us on this forum will ever have. But some of you guys continuously hate on the guy. People will always be jealous of success 11.wp
RockingStretchDri ve. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR KIND WORDS AND PUTTING YOUR NECK OUT FOR ME. THANKS A MILLION!
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Ongait is the issue
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I thought about this scenario today since everyone is talking about due diligence. What if the buyer actually calls a friend horsemen and says hey I’m thinking about buying one from Erv Miller, can you stop buy his barn and look the horse over and maybe jog him if Erv will let you? So his friend goes over to erv’s barn and Erv does the typical Erv, shows him s different horse and says there you, do whatever you want. He’s a nice horse. There you have it folks, Erv Miller at his best. Due diligence will only carry you so far but when you have someone like Erv Miller, any sense of decency goes out the window. He should actually be ashamed of himself. How can he look other horseman the eye. Wonder what honest Doug overhiser has to say about this.