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Title: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on January 20, 2024, 09:25:16 PM
His horses look like they can race twice per night. Goshen HOF is next.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: bodnarcny on January 20, 2024, 11:16:51 PM
His final tally for the weekend is:

13 sent postward...

7 winners
3 seconds
2 thirds
1 fourth......

Not bad ...
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on January 20, 2024, 11:21:01 PM
His final tally for the weekend is:

13 sent postward...

7 winners
3 seconds
2 thirds
1 fourth......

Not bad ...
Made Bartlett look like John Campbell
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: toothman on January 20, 2024, 11:29:37 PM
not a good look for your track, Jeffie. Need Burke and Meza to "level the playing field"
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: bodnarcny on January 20, 2024, 11:35:26 PM
Don't you think someone is going to look into that success weekend ?
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Harness racer on January 21, 2024, 05:50:03 AM
Shoeing change!  tmbz1  ngc3
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Harness racer on January 21, 2024, 06:01:04 AM
Jason finally figured out they only go 1 lap at M1.   ngc3
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Generation XYZ on January 21, 2024, 09:02:13 AM
Nothing for Nothing Per Engblom is a very capable seasoned trainer in his own right.  But this is a perfect example of good horses being able to achieve their just deserts.  Rather than having to race against Burke horses on mystery blends.  The evidence is showing to be rigjht here in plain site with the burke hiatus.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Chips N Salsa on January 21, 2024, 09:44:28 AM
Nothing for Nothing Per Engblom is a very capable seasoned trainer in his own right.  But this is a perfect example of good horses being able to achieve their just deserts.  Rather than having to race against Burke horses on mystery blends.  The evidence is showing to be rigjht here in plain site with the burke hiatus.

It also helps when you have Josh Marks on speed dial and the UPS man makes the delivery on time.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: shotgunner on January 21, 2024, 11:30:41 AM
Nothing for Nothing Per Engblom is a very capable seasoned trainer in his own right.  But this is a perfect example of good horses being able to achieve their just deserts.  Rather than having to race against Burke horses on mystery blends.  The evidence is showing to be rigjht here in plain site with the burke hiatus.

Hilarious you run down other big time trainers but Per gets a pass.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Dingus on January 21, 2024, 11:50:40 AM
Hilarious you run down other big time trainers but Per gets a pass.

He has a lot of different owners.  Not familiar with any of the names being associated with drugs, etc. except maybe Evans Nation, which is Evan Katz, and that name sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Brown jug on January 21, 2024, 12:02:37 PM
congrats to him
now for the sake of the industry anyone that seems to be too good to be true usually is
so nothing personal Per but someone from the usta/ nj racing commission/ meadowlands needs to start paying a visit to the training center and also testing his horse before races
And if there is nothing nefarious going on than good for him
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Harness racer on January 21, 2024, 12:21:27 PM
He has a lot of different owners.  Not familiar with any of the names being associated with drugs, etc. except maybe Evans Nation, which is Evan Katz, and that name sounds familiar.

How about his driver?  Connected to a ton of shady characters!
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: remington on January 21, 2024, 12:32:26 PM
Gural doesn't want to catch the trainers with the best drugs because he wouldn't fill the races if he did. He lets trainers make a joke out of racing there. There is no such thing as a miracle trainer it's what they put into their horses to make them go .
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: hoosierboy on January 21, 2024, 10:18:12 PM
Gural doesn't want to catch the trainers with the best drugs because he wouldn't fill the races if he did. He lets trainers make a joke out of racing there. There is no such thing as a miracle trainer it's what they put into their horses to make them go .

Takters start pupil
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Chips N Salsa on January 21, 2024, 10:29:21 PM
The first two years away from Takter he couldn't win a fixed race.  Hooked up with Josh Marks and BOOM 2nd in the country!
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Generation XYZ on January 21, 2024, 11:40:33 PM
Hilarious you run down other big time trainers but Per gets a pass.

Run down who in Particular Asshole?
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: The Exporter on January 22, 2024, 05:43:01 AM
The first two years away from Takter he couldn't win a fixed race.  Hooked up with Josh Marks and BOOM 2nd in the country!
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Pretty common theme.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Generation XYZ on January 22, 2024, 08:47:53 AM
The first two years away from Takter he couldn't win a fixed race.  Hooked up with Josh Marks and BOOM 2nd in the country!
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Pretty common theme.

And you don't think Takter had a formula besides hay and oats? Seriously?
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: jupiter on January 22, 2024, 12:47:35 PM
How come it's always Josh when somebody wins races? Engbloom trained all the good horses Takter had, he shoes, he's not an idiot. Worked for Takter here then went back to Sweden and trained his own stable. Takter called him to return to the states and he's never left. Got screwed over in the split of the stable. Lost some Takter owners kept a few. Big switch to more race horses, not just two and three year olds. Lets see how it goes before putting him on a stake
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Harness racer on January 22, 2024, 01:21:30 PM
Not saying he can't train one. Saying he isn't racing on hay and oats.  But who is?
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: rainman2 on January 22, 2024, 04:22:07 PM
Not saying he can't train one. Saying he isn't racing on hay and oats.  But who is?

Please read the trainer's UTRS starts with  wins, seconds, and thirds and draw your own conclusions!!!
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Brown jug on January 22, 2024, 04:33:41 PM
training young horses and aged horses is a different ball game
based on his lack of success he changed his business model  to survive , at least for now
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: seen2much on January 22, 2024, 07:42:54 PM
Per at M1
2020 had 7 wins in 79 starts
2021 had 9 wins in 105 starts
2022 had 22 wins in 156 starts
2024 has 9 wins in 31 starts
To me it is how they win. If overcome hard trips, under a death grip, & beating the bias with ease. That is what i look at.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: shamrock stable on January 23, 2024, 09:03:58 AM
petrelli laid it all out for the world to see. now we all know.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on January 23, 2024, 09:40:47 AM
Josh is the armchair expert's ace up the sleeve of anyone who starts winning races. The guy has hit a big hot streak because he had horses ready and the condition sheet played to what he had. When Takter split up the barn it was not supposed to be nor was it even close to an even or fair split. Jimmy was overloading Nancy as much as possible right up front to stack the deck and set the stage. It worked. Per had a role to play and he played it. Now the pendulum has swung a bit and he's picking up horsepower and wins. Nothing shocking here. He won't keep up these numbers for long and it will return to the norm over time. But for those who have to say he's cheating, they will say he's grabbing while the grabbing is good, he's stealing money, Josh is behind all this, and so on.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Generation XYZ on January 23, 2024, 09:54:20 AM
Right on the mark.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Mailbox Money on January 23, 2024, 02:54:55 PM
Testing the latest formulas prior to the Stakes season! Some of these new formulas have been known to have side effects. How the horse acts prior to and after the wire are just as important! The reason why we see the effects now is because the overnight purses are a drop in the bucket compared with the money available in the Stake races. It is alot easier to give back 8-10 k rather than 40-50k in the spring and summer! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on January 23, 2024, 03:01:39 PM
Josh is the armchair expert's ace up the sleeve of anyone who starts winning races. The guy has hit a big hot streak because he had horses ready and the condition sheet played to what he had. When Takter split up the barn it was not supposed to be nor was it even close to an even or fair split. Jimmy was overloading Nancy as much as possible right up front to stack the deck and set the stage. It worked. Per had a role to play and he played it. Now the pendulum has swung a bit and he's picking up horsepower and wins. Nothing shocking here. He won't keep up these numbers for long and it will return to the norm over time. But for those who have to say he's cheating, they will say he's grabbing while the grabbing is good, he's stealing money, Josh is behind all this, and so on.

Like clockwork was simply classified well?
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on January 23, 2024, 04:51:21 PM
Like clockwork was simply classified well?

I never said any horse was classified well. What I said was the condition sheet favored what he had ready to go in the barn. You pick an exception, an anomaly, a one off and throw the net out so that it covers everything. Believe what you want. But, when all you have is a hammer...eventual ly everything begins to look like a nail.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on January 23, 2024, 05:36:05 PM
I never said any horse was classified well. What I said was the condition sheet favored what he had ready to go in the barn. You pick an exception, an anomaly, a one off and throw the net out so that it covers everything. Believe what you want. But, when all you have is a hammer...eventual ly everything begins to look like a nail.

Chake
Phenom shelter
Also turn around stories that fit the book?
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Generation XYZ on January 23, 2024, 05:50:24 PM
Engblom knows how to get one to go. Solid trainer with years of top level experience.
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Brown jug on January 23, 2024, 07:12:03 PM
i guess
 but clearly he couldn't get them to go this well in the past
not suggesting he cant train horses, but the current level is questionable
lets see how his 2 yr olds do
Title: Re: Per Engblom Should Be Immediately Enshrined In HOF
Post by: Generation XYZ on January 23, 2024, 08:25:26 PM
Well he has been more focused on race horses opposed to young horses. only way to keep a stable in the NE cash flowing.
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