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Title: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: The Exporter on January 08, 2024, 12:16:36 PM
The man has right at 100 head of 2 and 3 year olds in Florida training down. And, how many more older horses racing around the country?
I sure hope to be this broke and troubled, some day.  11.wp 73cv.2
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Brown jug on January 08, 2024, 12:43:32 PM
we will see
thats like saying bed bath and beyond( and others) had hundreds of stores so they must be fine
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: LUCPARK on January 08, 2024, 12:43:40 PM
Too many idiots on this forum

Like

Bird brain
Law and order

Among others. 
Guy will never go broke

Has a lot of owners goin nowhere

And don’t care about the bills

He  does have a lot less two and three yrs olds than last yr

I think there was way to many babies and horses last yr
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Parked on January 08, 2024, 01:39:13 PM
Not my favorite trainer but why are his finances of anyones concern unless you are an owner and horses not getting fed.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Kirbys Ace on January 08, 2024, 05:01:13 PM
I highly doubt Irv is going broke and will be on the corner looking for handouts!

However, he will feel the pinch slightly with Overhiser thinning the herd! But that might be a good thing in the long run. Can cut some expenses.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: MR.DALRAE on January 08, 2024, 05:31:46 PM
Too many idiots on this forum

Like

Bird brain
Law and order

Among others. 
Guy will never go broke

Has a lot of owners goin nowhere

And don’t care about the bills

He  does have a lot less two and three yrs olds than last yr

I think there was way to many babies and horses last yr




Go broke,,,,the guy doesn’t spend,,,till has his communion money
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: hoosierboy on January 08, 2024, 05:37:30 PM
Too many idiots on this forum

Like

Bird brain
Law and order

Among others. 
Guy will never go broke

Has a lot of owners goin nowhere

And don’t care about the bills

He  does have a lot less two and three yrs olds than last yr

I think there was way to many babies and horses last yr

I agree Luc.  How many do you have with him this year
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: The Exporter on January 08, 2024, 06:12:18 PM
Too many idiots on this forum

Like

Bird brain
Law and order

Among others. 
Guy will never go broke

Has a lot of owners goin nowhere

And don’t care about the bills

He  does have a lot less two and three yrs olds than last yr

I think there was way to many babies and horses last yr
Well it finaly happened, after 12 years and tens of thousands of post, we do agree. Now that is tenacity.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Chips N Salsa on January 08, 2024, 06:56:52 PM
I for one think he is a horrible ROI trainer and trainer in general.  He starts the year with 100+ horses and there torched by the end of the year and not worth a shit as 3yo.  I can't think of one decent stud horse he has ever had and his fillies have never made good broodmares.  Stats do not lie.  His %'s of getting horses to the races are horrible. Very highly over rated in my opinion.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Harness racer on January 08, 2024, 07:25:19 PM
Will he be in the next round with the FBI?  You can't tell me Nicky snitched on everyone but him.   tmbz1
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: carl baldwin on January 08, 2024, 07:54:50 PM
Not my favorite trainer but why are his finances of anyones concern unless you are an owner and horses not getting fed.
Jelly
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Stan durbread on January 08, 2024, 10:53:05 PM
I for one think he is a horrible ROI trainer and trainer in general.  He starts the year with 100+ horses and there torched by the end of the year and not worth a shit as 3yo.  I can't think of one decent stud horse he has ever had and his fillies have never made good broodmares.  Stats do not lie.  His %'s of getting horses to the races are horrible. Very highly over rated in my opinion.
I’m not a big fan of stone face   But if you talking ROI facts are facts he spends a lot less than others at yearling sales and buying ready made horses but is consistently top n the top 5-6 on earnings list every year
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Harness racer on January 08, 2024, 11:06:01 PM
Why would Erv care about returns?  Only ones getting rich in that stable are Erv and his family.  Still has the usual pigeons on the hook.   ngc3  ngc3  ngc3
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Balmoral buzz on January 08, 2024, 11:16:16 PM
Will he be in the next round with the FBI?  You can't tell me Nicky snitched on everyone but him.   tmbz1
thank you. I never said Erv would be broke but you can’t spend money in prison. That is going to happen soon. They are on to Erv and he’s always been able to beat the testing but he won’t beat the FBI. Finally someone who knows what theyre  talking about. Nick Surick still has lots of money but what good does it do him?  Erv will be in that same position. Nicky boy is still talking up and through this very minute. Bye bye Erv. Can’t wait to hear what LucPark says then.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: rainman2 on January 09, 2024, 12:10:37 AM
thank you. I never said Erv would be broke but you can’t spend money in prison. That is going to happen soon. They are on to Erv and he’s always been able to beat the testing but he won’t beat the FBI. Finally someone who knows what theyre  talking about. Nick Surick still has lots of money but what good does it do him?  Erv will be in that same position. Nicky boy is still talking up and through this very minute. Bye bye Erv. Can’t wait to hear what LucPark says then.

Will Ron Burke and a few other famous trainers be their cellmates if/when this happens?

We will all believe it when we see it!
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: rainman2 on January 09, 2024, 12:27:59 AM
Not my favorite trainer but why are his finances of anyones concern unless you are an owner and horses not getting fed.

And the answer is---

Because you are on horseplop!   When the have nots get a right to put their 2 cents worth [in many cases these people only have 2 cents literally speaking as well as living in mommy and daddy's basement without a pot to piss in] on those who have more than them.  It's called jealousy and envy!
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Six Pence on January 09, 2024, 01:00:38 AM
Word around Hoosier Park is that his owners lost 9 million dollars this past year.  Some have already left him and moved to other trainers.  He is one hard working Amishman but relies way too much on chemistry for someone with an Amish education.  If you peak into his barn at the Indiana State Fairgrounds you may see several horses with tubes hanging out of the noses. Supposedly his last year was way off because he could see the hand writing on the was and cut way back on "special additives" on race day.  My God, his daughter lived with Surick and they shipped horses back and forth.  BTW, his daughter is now married to an Amishman.  Doubt if all the horses she drove to become Amateur Driver of the year were racing on hay and oats since they all came out of Daddy's barn or Surick's barn.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Stan durbread on January 09, 2024, 07:47:44 AM
Where do you people get the idea that Erv backed off??  His UTRS and earnings are pretty close to what they have been for last 10 years
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: The Exporter on January 09, 2024, 09:05:11 AM
The numbers are there for all to see.
Title: Re: So, Erv Miller is in trouble and going broke, you say?
Post by: Oliver Clozoff on January 09, 2024, 07:50:28 PM
Gonna have to pimp out Hannah...
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