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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wizardofoz on December 25, 2023, 11:53:17 AM
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Two Greenshoe breedings at ONGAIT.COM just went for $6000 and $5200, yet the 2024 Hanover stud fee is listed at $25,000 still! Shocking! https://ongait.com/Listings/View/25255 https://ongait.com/Listings/View/25206 https://hanoverpa.com/greenshoe.html Those are some discounts!
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it will drop
reality is it doesn't matter, no one of significance is sending a mare to him , might get some cheaper mares to him for the pricing you have seen on ongait recently
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One important thing on those breedings that sold on ongait, they were paid upfront with no live foal guarantee.
That said, you can pretty well guarantee no one is paying $25k for Greenshoe breedings and Hanover is out of their minds leaving him at that price this year.
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when you breed a stallion that's what you are trying to re-create
who wants the 2-year old Greenshoe re-creation?
his 2-year olds didn't exactly light the world on fire
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GREENSHOE (Foals:101 | Starters:76)
AURELIUS HANOVER (G) ANONYME HANOVER 2:06.3 Watt H $7,385
CAHIRA HANOVER (M) CREDITOVER (Q) 2:01.2 Gty M $40,153
CALL OF THE WILD (H) TO DREAM ON (Q) 1:57.0 Lex M $7,160
CALL OPTION (H) NOTHING BUT MONI (Q) 1:54.4 Lex M $0
CASANOVA HALL (G) CATERINA HALL 1:57.2 PcD F $63,831
CHARTREUSE (M) FATIMA BLUSH 1:54.2 Lex M $11,040
CYCLONE BEN (G) AFTERIMAGE 1:58.2 Mea F $25,640
DOMINION DAY (H) DANCING FOR MONEY 1:58.0 Phl F $11,836
EMISSARY (M) PRIMARY TARGET 1:56.4 Lex M $17,250
EMOJI HANOVER (M) EMMYLOU WHO 1:54.2 Wbsb S $51,868
EXQUISITE MYSTERY (M) ARMBRO EXQUISITE 1:58.4 Phl F $6,850
FANNIE LIPKOWITZ (M) MA WAS RIGHT 1:54.4 Lex M $38,200
FOR JULY (H) CLARABELLE 1:58.1 Phl F $6,960
FREEDONIA IT (M) GRAND IDEA 2:06.0 Ston H $19,250
GIMME THE GREEN (M) SWIZZLE STICKS 1:55.4 Lex M $6,871
GOING GREEN (G) MAJESTIC LEXI 1:58.1 PcD F $25,898
GREEN FEE (M) HOLLYWOOD HILL (Q) 1:59.4 Phl F $0
GREEN MEADOW (G) CHRISTIANA HANOVER 2:03.2 Blom H $15,968
GREEN MERCEDES (M) DANIELLE HALL 1:54.3 Lex M $29,630
GREEN ZONE (M) LADY ASTOR 1:58.3 Phl F $13,446
GREENBACK SESSION (G) ENS TAG SESSION 1:57.1 Mea F $23,454
GREENSPAN (G) FIRM TO STAY 1:56.0 Mea F $145,353
INSIDER TRADING (M) TOPCAT HALL 1:56.4 Mea F $43,898
LAMMTARRA (H) DREAM CHILD (Q) 1:58.3 M M $7,150
LANDALUCI (M) HIGH SOBRIETY 1:59.3 Mea F $32,632
LONGFELLOW S (H) CRYSTI DREAM 1:54.0 Lex M $56,000
LORANGA (H) IN FOR SURPRISE (Q) 2:00.2 PcD F $21,580
LOVING TOUCH (M) MORNING GLOW 2:02.1 Nfld H $5,850
LOXAHATCHEE (H) HANNELORE HANOVER 1:55.4 Lex M $6,850
LUKE THE SPOOK (H) NOBLESSE BLUE CHIP 1:56.4 Lex M $7,500
LYNAM S (H) PASITHEA FACE S (Q) 1:59.0 M M $3,750
PJ'S DREAM (M) DREAM BABY DREAM 1:58.1 PcD F $23,294
POISONPOKE (G) COLUMBIA 1:59.2 PcD F $27,278
PULL THE SHOES (M) BAMBINO SUPREME (Q) 2:01.0 Nfld H $22,417
PUT OPTION HANOVER (G) PLEASE OKAY 1:59.4 Phl F $47,520
SAMWISE THE BRAVE (G) THE ICE DUTCHESS 1:56.1 Lex M $23,001
SEND IT IN HANOVER (G) SOUTHWIND PERCY 1:55.2 Wbsb S $75,521
SIR FRED JONES (H) STELLA JANE 1:57.1 PcD F $33,394
SKYDIVER (H) ARIANA G (Q) 1:59.4 M M $9,000
SMART SCHOONER (G) COOLER SCHOONER 1:53.2 Lex M $69,914
STICKY FINGERS (H) GRITS' N SEVEN (Q) 2:02.2 Mea F $4,930
STRUTTIN' YANKEE (G) SOPRANA HILL 2:01.2 Stga H $13,540
SUMMER SHOES (M) PERFECT SUMMER K 1:59.3 VD S $13,765
TAP DANCE (M) LA RIVIERA LINDY (Q) 1:59.2 M M $3,953
THE RIGHT TIME (M) ALL THE TIME 1:58.0 Wbsb S $23,537
THIS ONEISONME (H) IM ALL PINK 1:59.2 Mea F $16,012
VANGUARD (G) SABRINA DEO 1:58.2 Mea F $23,944
WHITE SHOE HANOVER (G) WOOD BLUE CHIP 1:56.4 Mea F $56,677
WHOOPS HANOVER (M) WINTERBERRY (Q) 1:58.1 Lex M $1,000
YOUHADMEATHALO (M) CELEBRITY ANGEL 1:56.0 HoP S $17,485
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Only "16" out of 101 foals earned more than the $25,000 stud fee charged this year! 84% did NOT!
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Greenshoes numbers are worse than terrible even when getting some of the best in the country. But.. he sure settles the mares. This may be the odd case when breeders hope their mare does not catch or have a live foal,?
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Ariana G and Hannelore Hanover foals did NOTHING!
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Sebastian K all over again.
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Always remember Bettors Delight was written off as a dud after his first crop
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With all the proven sires why take a chance ?
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Great racemares rarely produce great champions . It is usually the lesser quality racemares that turn out the champions. Hannelore Hanover and Ariana G crossed to Greenshoe round one was a bust so far as a 2 year old.
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GREENSHOE STILL HAS A CHANCE. FIRST CROP SOMETIMES DOES NOT HIT BUT SECOND AND THIRD DO. HE WAS A GREAT HORSE. HARD TO BELEIVE THIS IS A LL HE WILL PRODUCE. THE BEST IS YET TO COME. THE LITTLE GUY SHOULD TAKE A CHANCE AT $5-6000 THIS YEAR BECAUSE IF HE HITS YOU WILL SELL NICE PRICED FOALS. WORST CASE YOU HAVE A NICE FAIR HORSE.
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He sold $8.8 million of yearlings last year averaging $104,000. Somehow his yearlings managed to average $41,000 this year. Andy Miller bought a filly for $350,000 out of Creamy Mimi...
He only had one $100K winner and only ONE filly made more than $45K
His top 6 male earners were all geldings.
http://stars.ustrotting.com/yearlingsales.cfm?stallion_id=878&year=2023
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Sebastian K all over again.
Agreed... He'll end up in Ohio or Indiana in another season or two, or dead like Sebastian K
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easy counselor
he was a fast horse, not a great horse
he could be rude and ill behaved in races
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Seems like Williams is pricing himself out of the market.