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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Generation XYZ on December 21, 2023, 03:00:16 PM
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Those wanting to truly level the playing field for the entire sport we need to eliminate the hypocrisy of the industry leaders, that talk from both sides of a mouthful of shit.
HISA is a must and should be a serious consideration, not a deterrent from harness racing. If the industry players as a whole want meaningful change HISA is a start that will instill some sort of public confidence. where zero currently exists.
Like Hamas and its rebellion of lies and terrorist deluge. The USTA and the state racing commissions must have a ground sweeping house cleaning to eliminate those that are bent on killing the sport.
Like many of his accomplices on paper, or in the press, Attorney's like Howie feed the fire of the cheats and abusers. They should be barred from ownership and representation of distorted facts and findings. Stick with accident cases asshole.
Homos, specifically just one at the top of the totem pole, or some dudes pole. The USTA must clean house from the top down. No one person should have governing power over the USTA who owns the largest Breeding operation, and Largest Sales Company simultaneous to the President's position of the USTA.
LETS GET IT TOGETHER PEOPLE AND BEGIN TO VOICE AGAINST THE POLITICS OF THE INDUSTRY, THAT THE CURRENT POWERS ARE BENT ON COLLAPSING, WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL.
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Any thing that helps racing is a plus.
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What ??. You are trying to break up the GOOD OL’ BOYS CLUB !!!!
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What ??. You are trying to break up the GOOD OL’ BOYS CLUB !!!!
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Those wanting to truly level the playing field for the entire sport we need to eliminate the hypocrisy of the industry leaders, that talk from both sides of a mouthful of shit.
HISA is a must and should be a serious consideration, not a deterrent from harness racing. If the industry players as a whole want meaningful change HISA is a start that will instill some sort of public confidence. where zero currently exists.
Like Hamas and its rebellion of lies and terrorist deluge. The USTA and the state racing commissions must have a ground sweeping house cleaning to eliminate those that are bent on killing the sport.
Like many of his accomplices on paper, or in the press, Attorney's like Howie feed the fire of the cheats and abusers. They should be barred from ownership and representation of distorted facts and findings. Stick with accident cases asshole.
Homos, specifically just one at the top of the totem pole, or some dudes pole. The USTA must clean house from the top down. No one person should have governing power over the USTA who owns the largest Breeding operation, and Largest Sales Company simultaneous to the President's position of the USTA.
LETS GET IT TOGETHER PEOPLE AND BEGIN TO VOICE AGAINST THE POLITICS OF THE INDUSTRY, THAT THE CURRENT POWERS ARE BENT ON COLLAPSING, WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL.
GREAT POST XYZ. MOST OF THE HORSEPLOPPERS BLAME TRAINERS AND DRIVERS AND OWNERS........... ....BUT, WHAT ABOUT CORRUPT RACING OFFICIALS, MANAGEMENT AND TRACK OWNERS??? THEY ARE A REAL PROBLEM AND MAYBE EVEN WORSE THAN THE HORSEMEN. TRACK OWNERS AND RACING COMMISSONS AND OFFICIALS NEED A CLEANSING AS WELL!!! I APPRECIATE WHAT GURAL DID WITH GETTING THE FEDS INVOLVED, BUT HIS IMAGE GETS A BIT TARNISED WHEN HE PLAYS HIS FAVORITES AND THROWS THE OTHERS OUT. HES GOTTA BE FAIR AND JUST TO EACH AND EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF THE FACT IF THEY ARE EMPLYED BY HIM OR NOT!!!OTHERWISE ALL OF THE GOOD THAT MR GURAL HAS DONE TO CLEAN UP THE SPORT TO THIS POINT, GOES OUT THE WINDOW IN MY OPINION. BE FAIR AND APPLY THOSE RULES TO EVERYONE, FROM HORSEMAN AND OWNERS, TO YOUR TRACK MANAGEMENT AND RACING OFFICIALS, JUDGES AND ALL GOVERNING BODIES. IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYONE IS BEING WATCHED AND HAS SOMEONE THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO
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Unfortunately HISA will cost a minimum of $ 80+/start to enact from my understanding both the standardbred owners as well as the thoroughbred owners. If this occurs, a handful of harness tracks more than likely go out of business. SAY GOODBYE to Cal Expo, Monticello, Cumberland Maine, and Bangor, and the Maine fairs as well as any other fairs racing for sure! I am not familiar with the thoroughbred tracks that this could happen too. For the most part, the thoroughbreds race for more money but not as often. There is a big difference of paying this expense on Standardbreds versus the thoroughbreds.
It is bad enough that New York State charges s $ 30.78 fee for this when you race there. So the New York State fee will still be there also. NYS government like to collect $ like this and they likely won’t rescind it!
Will HISA 100% guarantee a perfectly level racetracks, or will this money line the pockets of a different set of individuals?
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Unfortunately HISA will cost a minimum of $ 80+/start to enact from my understanding both the standardbred owners as well as the thoroughbred owners. If this occurs, a handful of harness tracks more than likely go out of business. SAY GOODBYE to Cal Expo, Monticello, Cumberland Maine, and Bangor, and the Maine fairs as well as any other fairs racing for sure! I am not familiar with the thoroughbred tracks that this could happen too. For the most part, the thoroughbreds race for more money but not as often. There is a big difference of paying this expense on Standardbreds versus the thoroughbreds.
It is bad enough that New York State charges s $ 30.78 fee for this when you race there. So the New York State fee will still be there also. NYS government like to collect $ like this and they likely won’t rescind it!
Will HISA 100% guarantee a perfectly level racetracks, or will this money line the pockets of a different set of individuals?
PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE. THE INDUSTRY GETS SLOT REVENUE AND WELFARE THEY DIDNT EARN. SO FOR $80 PER START, IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT. AT THIS POINT, WHAT THE HELL DOES ANYONE OTHER THAN THE CHEATERS HAVE TO LOSE?
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Unfortunately HISA will cost a minimum of $ 80+/start to enact from my understanding both the standardbred owners as well as the thoroughbred owners. If this occurs, a handful of harness tracks more than likely go out of business. SAY GOODBYE to Cal Expo, Monticello, Cumberland Maine, and Bangor, and the Maine fairs as well as any other fairs racing for sure! I am not familiar with the thoroughbred tracks that this could happen too. For the most part, the thoroughbreds race for more money but not as often. There is a big difference of paying this expense on Standardbreds versus the thoroughbreds.
Seldom see positive tests from the “state of the art testing facility”.
It is bad enough that New York State charges s $ 30.78 fee for this when you race there. So the New York State fee will still be there also. NYS government like to collect $ like this and they likely won’t rescind it!
Will HISA 100% guarantee a perfectly level racetracks, or will this money line the pockets of a different set of individuals?
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Only Jews and people that don’t have the Internet still think hamas are the bad guys. Sure they went a bit overboard, but the Jews have been killing Palestinians like that for 50 years. Now they look like Nazis going crazy level in the place. Meanwhile, they can’t rescue one hostage or kill one main hamas leader.Obviously, they just want to level the place, kill all the civilians, and steal the land, as usual. The Jews learned well from the Nazis.
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seriously , billions??? in subsidies????
by subsidies i assume you mean the allowance the casinos pay harness racing for opening casinos on their land with their licenses
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seriously , billions??? in subsidies????
by subsidies i assume you mean the allowance the casinos pay harness racing for opening casinos on their land with their licenses
Their land and licenses? You mean the corporate track owners that come in and pay millions for Licenses, to the sellers and the states, and oh by the way, spend millions of dollars to build or refurbish dumps of yesteryear? Where do you get your drugs? You need to find a higher quality.
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Their land and licenses? You mean the corporate track owners that come in and pay millions for Licenses, to the sellers and the states, and oh by the way, spend millions of dollars to build or refurbish dumps of yesteryear? Where do you get your drugs? You need to find a higher quality.
Corporates pay millions--even Billions-to the track owners and States to put Casinos at the Racetracks=Racinos.Just like Trojan horses.
Personally and I know many others---look to keep racing going-to keep the associated Industries going-and keep vast areas GREEN. Thats the key--who wants to see retirement homes, malls, warehouses etc-where racetracks used to be--I dont. The casinos and wealthy individuals who invest in them--dont give a shit about Green Space/horse related activities-or racing entertainment. They can make a whole lot more $$$ turning on the power--and let the one armed bandits fleece poorer people. Racinos could certainly exist as long as both parties work together--its done overseas-not a problem. Instead--the Casino wants nothing to do with racing-they want to decouple-and are doing everything they can--to turn racing into shit. Race secretaries-can be employed - get kickbacks-to run shit programs-favor certain people--handle drops like a stone--all good for the casino--as now they can argue that they dont want to fund a dead Industry--one they did everything to help it go that way. If I was in charge--Id force the Casino/government to keep racing going--and to make it profitable--can be done.
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really, millions on refurbishing dumps, i assume you mean racetracks
cant think of too many that the casino corps have spent millions on to upgrade the facilities
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PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE. THE INDUSTRY GETS SLOT REVENUE AND WELFARE THEY DIDNT EARN. SO FOR $80 PER START, IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT. AT THIS POINT, WHAT THE HELL DOES ANYONE OTHER THAN THE CHEATERS HAVE TO LOSE?
Can't you post without using all capital letters? Make your point without the 'CRACK PIPE' comments et al.
Thank you.
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Corporates pay millions--even Billions-to the track owners and States to put Casinos at the Racetracks=Racinos.Just like Trojan horses.
Personally and I know many others---look to keep racing going-to keep the associated Industries going-and keep vast areas GREEN. Thats the key--who wants to see retirement homes, malls, warehouses etc-where racetracks used to be--I dont. The casinos and wealthy individuals who invest in them--dont give a shit about Green Space/horse related activities-or racing entertainment. They can make a whole lot more $$$ turning on the power--and let the one armed bandits fleece poorer people. Racinos could certainly exist as long as both parties work together--its done overseas-not a problem. Instead--the Casino wants nothing to do with racing-they want to decouple-and are doing everything they can--to turn racing into shit. Race secretaries-can be employed - get kickbacks-to run shit programs-favor certain people--handle drops like a stone--all good for the casino--as now they can argue that they dont want to fund a dead Industry--one they did everything to help it go that way. If I was in charge--Id force the Casino/government to keep racing going--and to make it profitable--can be done.
It’s not the casinos responsibility to promote the racetracks— it’s the racetracks ! Why should the casino have to pay for something like harness racing which nobody is interested in anymore. The casinos should be allowed to decouple and on the other hand, the racetracks should be allowed to charge the rent on their property to whatever tune they want. It’s fair game. If the casinos were smart they would close down for “improvements” much like Carey does at Hawthorne. He hoping the horseman will just go away but bring the leeches that they are, they keep hanging on and try to race at the shithole. Just close down for improvements and let the horseman race for whatever the generate. Just stall until the horsemen go away.
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really, millions on refurbishing dumps, i assume you mean racetracks
cant think of too many that the casino corps have spent millions on to upgrade the facilities
Scioto Downs, Ground up building of Dayton, and Miami Valley, Chester, Pocono, and on and on. So just to understand your statement, none of this cost the casino companies millions and millions of dollars? Douche Bag!
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It’s not the casinos responsibility to promote the racetracks— it’s the racetracks ! Why should the casino have to pay for something like harness racing which nobody is interested in anymore. The casinos should be allowed to decouple and on the other hand, the racetracks should be allowed to charge the rent on their property to whatever tune they want. It’s fair game. If the casinos were smart they would close down for “improvements” much like Carey does at Hawthorne. He hoping the horseman will just go away but bring the leeches that they are, they keep hanging on and try to race at the shithole. Just close down for improvements and let the horseman race for whatever the generate. Just stall until the horsemen go away.
Good post. And eventually, the gov't will condemn the grandstand as unsafe....
There's a term for this strategy.... BENIGN NEGLECT
Scioto Downs, Ground up building of Dayton, and Miami Valley, Chester, Pocono, and on and on. So just to understand your statement, none of this cost the casino companies millions and millions of dollars? Douche Bag!
Fair point.
As an aside, I do hope they don't try to re-do the 4th floor at Yonkers. That .. to me ... is the true Mecca of harness racing.
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It’s not the casinos responsibility to promote the racetracks— it’s the racetracks ! Why should the casino have to pay for something like harness racing which nobody is interested in anymore. The casinos should be allowed to decouple and on the other hand, the racetracks should be allowed to charge the rent on their property to whatever tune they want. It’s fair game. If the casinos were smart, they would close down for “improvements” much like Carey does at Hawthorne. He hoping the horseman will just go away but bring the leeches that they are, they keep hanging on and try to race at the shithole. Just close down for improvements and let the horseman race for whatever the generate. Just stall until the horsemen go away.
Question--why are you on this site? You hate harness racing and everything associated with it--but yet-love the Casinos. One would be drawn to the conclusion-you have an interest in Casinos-and would love to see them decouple everywhere.
Personally-I think you're a douche bag, scum bag POS who lives in his mothers basement. So go get your shine box.
As an owner-I see how hard my trainer works and loves his horses like I do. Reading lowlifes like you constantly denigrating people who are WORKING to make a living--pisses me off. Meadowlands doesn't "hand out" money--its related to handle. Yes Casinos actually pay money--NOT to have a Casino there.The opposite at other places where Casinos in order to get licensed have to co exist with racing.
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Question--why are you on this site? You hate harness racing and everything associated with it--but yet-love the Casinos. One would be drawn to the conclusion-you have an interest in Casinos-and would love to see them decouple everywhere.
Personally-I think you're a douche bag, scum bag POS who lives in his mothers basement. So go get your shine box.
As an owner-I see how hard my trainer works and loves his horses like I do. Reading lowlifes like you constantly denigrating people who are WORKING to make a living--pisses me off. Meadowlands doesn't "hand out" money--its related to handle. Yes Casinos actually pay money--NOT to have a Casino there.The opposite at other places where Casinos in order to get licensed have to co exist with racing.
GET OFF YOUR C RAXK SMOKING ASS AND STOP WANTING FREE MONEY THAT YOU DIDNT EARN. YOUR TRAINER GOT TO BE ON THE FISHMAN LIST AND HAVE SOME KIND OF EDGE. GO TO HELL YOU FUCKING CHEATER
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GET OFF YOUR C RAXK SMOKING ASS AND STOP WANTING FREE MONEY THAT YOU DIDNT EARN. YOUR TRAINER GOT TO BE ON THE FISHMAN LIST AND HAVE SOME KIND OF EDGE. GO TO HELL YOU FUCKING CHEATER
Can you please discuss things more calmly and objectively, and stop using all those capital letters!
Thank you
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Scioto Downs, Ground up building of Dayton, and Miami Valley, Chester, Pocono, and on and on. So just to understand your statement, none of this cost the casino companies millions and millions of dollars? Douche Bag!
FYI, the VLT’S are in a separate building at Buffalo Raceway! How does this help harness racing? I believe Buffalo Raceway is owned by the Erie County Agricultural Society.
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FYI, the VLT’S are in a separate building at Buffalo Raceway! How does this help harness racing? I believe Buffalo Raceway is owned by the Erie County Agricultural Society.
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And operated by Western NY OTB (or some such)
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Question--why are you on this site? You hate harness racing
Why use this tired, usless trope when confronted with anyone who tales exception to the massive welfare/subsidy component of harness racing?
Weak AF.
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Why use this tired, usless trope when confronted with anyone who tales exception to the massive welfare/subsidy component of harness racing?
Weak AF.
Same goes for you. Another hater useless POS. You accentuate the negative--all the time. Welfare?? go fuck yourself. Welfare is for the 8 Million Illegals let into the Country this year. Welfare is for many who just want a free handout-without working for it-which the current crew in charge is only too happy to hand out. Subsidy?? Yes--designed to assist industries to survive-- keep people employed-and in the case of horse racing--keeps areas green and people (Not all)who love horses--employed.
Are there bad people in racing?? Of course--there are POS in every Industry--especially those that turn a blind eye to BS.
BTW-I voted Democrat in 2020--big mistake-so Im not that smart either.
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Can you please discuss things more calmly and objectively, and stop using all those capital letters!
Thank you
SINCE YOU ASKED NICELY, I WILL HONOR YOUR REQUEST.
how is this? better for your dumb ass now that i don't have the caps lock on?
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SINCE YOU ASKED NICELY, I WILL HONOR YOUR REQUEST.
how is this? better for your dumb ass now that i don't have the caps lock on?
A small glimmer of hope but not there yet!
We all don’t need to read the dumb ass comments.
Thank you