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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: brownmoose13 on December 17, 2023, 11:13:04 PM
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Which is the worst purchase made by Amac:
1. The Greatest Ending
2. Atlas Hanover
3. Texsong Soprano
4. Deliciousstone DK
Amac sure can pick out those racehorses. How does he keep getting money from the sheep investors. These cost over $350K and are lucky to get checks. He finally dumped Atlas Hanover and probably lost over $100K
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Lots of big trainer buy many yearling you only here about the good ones not the other 25.
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these are not yearlings but horses that were currently racing that he bought at Ongait
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Buyer beware
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I don’t know why he thinks that he can somehow improve on them especially Greatest Ending. The whole industry was aware of this horses issues.
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I don’t know why he thinks that he can somehow improve on them especially Greatest Ending. The whole industry was aware of this horses issues.
Thats easy to answer...Amac thinks he is the smartest and sharpest person in harness racing and if you don't believe that just ask him
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Everyone should only buy Luther racing horses. Ceba Horsey could improve one off that guy! ngc3
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well he did get to drive in the jug with atlas ...LOL!!
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Now he's openly soliciting Xmas tips for his employees! What percentage of that jar will disappear prior to distribution? SMFH!
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I don’t know why he thinks that he can somehow improve on them especially Greatest Ending. The whole industry was aware of this horses issues.
not sure how long he has had him or how much he paid for him, but he was a good 3rd two starts back in the Open beaten by the two favorites ( Burke )
Last start -- oh my -- Huge horse, big stride came to a walk at the 3/4 pole.
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Parked to a 26.4 1st quarter on a nasty day, driven by a lesser tier driver. May deserve a pass on last out. You are correct 2 back was a decent effort with same driver.
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Amac paid...get ready..$147K at Ongait
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Parked to a 26.4 1st quarter on a nasty day, driven by a lesser tier driver. May deserve a pass on last out. You are correct 2 back was a decent effort with same driver.
size of horse and track size isn't a definite -- but to my thinking he would be better on a bigger track with the stride he has.
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pay all that money for a horse with issues and then race on a 1/2 mile track ??
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So many from the past I can't recall. Right at the top are the ones he overpays every year to race in his cup and saucer race.
And looks like you can add Kenobi to the list shortly
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So all race horses don't make money?
done ok with Think of Galaxies (off Burke no less)
sold Crantini for 85K, bought back 8 weeks later for 40K
bought All Gas No Brakes of Luther for 18K, has made over 50K in 10 starts
I do agree buying Greatest Ending knowing he ties up easily is a head scratcher
I believe Anthony has horse racing in his best interest, after all he encourages other trainers to do fractional ownership to get new owners in the game. Most guys would be trying to blackball them if they could.
And something else many of you don't know and he doesn't go around talking about it....Brave World was 2 steps away from the killers, Anthony bought the horse back and had it shipped on his dime, patched him up to find he a good retirement home.
Lot of know it alls in here who don't know shit
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Top outfit. Everyone that invested makes money.
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there have been some good ones in addition to these
like anything, you never get them all right or all wrong and a lot fall in the middle
key is not keeping the bad ones too long
also being careful on the ongait/preferred sites buying horses sight unseen
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Lots of big trainer buy many yearling you only here about the good ones not the other 25.
The number could be higher in certain barns.
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I may not know shit but I do know facts such as:
Think of Galaxies. That is one that has done ok
Crantini was not bought back for $40K but traded for 2 other horses
All Gas No Brakes has not made $50...more like $37K and discounting for the Canadian $$ its more like $30K
Brave World is still owned by people in New York
Last, Anthony has the best interest of Anthony first and second.
I also notice that you did not comment on the other horses I brought up of which there are many more
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Brave World is still owned by people in New York
You just proved your true intelligence
did you want him to pay the transfer fee too, when he isn't sound enough to race again
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You just proved your true intelligence
did you want him to pay the transfer fee too, when he isn't sound enough to race again
What..Amac could not afford the $40.oh yeah I forgot he is such a generous guy.. Again you still do not comment on the other points you tried to make which were not true
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I would love to see how much .was spent on yearling and race horses and how did they bring in .He said he had a great year
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You just proved your true intelligence
did you want him to pay the transfer fee too, when he isn't sound enough to race again
Who actually owns the horse for real?
Who actually owns the horse according to USTA?
Who is paying the bills now on the horse (food, stable rent, etc.)??
If something happens who is legally responsible??
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What..Amac could not afford the $40.oh yeah I forgot he is such a generous guy.. Again you still do not comment on the other points you tried to make which were not true
Happy Holidays
You can carry on if you wish
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Who actually owns the horse for real?
Who actually owns the horse according to USTA?
Who is paying the bills now on the horse (food, stable rent, etc.)??
If something happens who is legally responsible??
Also how are any purse monies gained disbursed. Are they paid monthly or put on account.
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So many from the past I can't recall. Right at the top are the ones he overpays every year to race in his cup and saucer race.
And looks like you can add Kenobi to the list shortly
Sintra
Brave World
Patrikthepiranah
Lincoln James
3 decent buys out of those 4
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Which is the worst purchase made by Amac:
1. The Greatest Ending
2. Atlas Hanover
3. Texsong Soprano
4. Deliciousstone DK
Amac sure can pick out those racehorses. How does he keep getting money from the sheep investors. These cost over $350K and are lucky to get checks. He finally dumped Atlas Hanover and probably lost over $100K
definitely did not lose $100k on Atlas Hanover
Texsong Soprano has raced once. relax.
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looks like moni is a very nice horse
had some good 2 yr olds this year as well
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The excessive nickel and dimeing for everything is what put me off from going with AMac.
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The excessive nickel and dimeing for everything is what put me off from going with AMac.
I thought he always advertised $2000 a month all in
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I thought he always advertised $2000 a month all in
Website shows $2575(assuming thats canadian dollars) plus the cost of vet work, shipping and stake payments. Plus you're always stuck having him drive instead of using top catch drivers which is what he should be using when the big money is on the line.
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1. You will never get Amac to tell the purse money won and what he billed the investors. Why would he want to admit that the stable lost maybe $2M or more. When Amac said he had a great year he is telling the truth..HE and only HE had a great year or should I say his bank account.
2. Brave World is owned by 2 guys in New York and if something happens they are legally responsible or at minimum they have a legal fight on their hands over responsibility.
3. Notice when you present facts about Amac the lackeys (PHP) put their tails between their legs and run.
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Website shows $2575(assuming thats canadian dollars) plus the cost of vet work, shipping and stake payments. Plus you're always stuck having him drive instead of using top catch drivers which is what he should be using when the big money is on the line.
According to Amac, in his own words. a horse needs to make between $35K-$40K to break even and thats US dollars
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I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT OR THE STRUCTRE OF THE STABLE BUT MY CONCERN WOULD BE IS THIS A "SECURITY?" THE DEFINITION OF A SECURITY BY THE SEC SURE CAN BE INTERPRETED IN A FASHION THAT THIS INVESTMENT IS A SECURITY.
THESE FOLKS:
1. ADVERTISE THEIR UNITS ON A PUBLIC FORUM
2. PROVIDE AN EXCHANGE TO SELL THE UNIT
3. THE INVESTORS HAVE ZERO INPUT INTO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE HORSE
4. IS THIS INVESTMENT REGISTERED WITH THE SEC?
5. ARE THESE QUALIFIED INVESTORS WITH VARIOUS REQUIRED FINANCIAL DATA?
I AGAIN HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS PARTNERSHIP----OR ORGANIZATION ----POSSIBLY THESE FOLKS HIRED GOOD COUNSEL TO PROVIDE A LEGAL OPINION ON THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND STRUCTURE. IF NOT----THESE ISSUES COULD PROVE THIS IS A SECURITY AND IF SO???? HUGE PROBLEM ANOTHER TRUEE BLACK EYE TO AN INDUSTRY!!!!!
HOPEFULLY, THESE FOLKS HAVE A GREAT ATTORNEY AND THE STRUCTURE IS LEGAL.
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Sintra
Brave World
Patrikthepiranah
Lincoln James
3 decent buys out of those 4
lol
low bar of decent
how much was the sintra purchase price
lincoln james is a 7500 claimer
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I thought he always advertised $2000 a month all in
4k a month easy
my horse with him had 2 firsts and a second one month and i broke even
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The excessive nickel and dimeing for everything is what put me off from going with AMac.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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lol
low bar of decent
how much was the sintra purchase price
lincoln james is a 7500 claimer
Sintra was bought for 76K US in July 2022 i do believe
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1. You will never get Amac to tell the purse money won and what he billed the investors. Why would he want to admit that the stable lost maybe $2M or more. When Amac said he had a great year he is telling the truth..HE and only HE had a great year or should I say his bank account.
2. Brave World is owned by 2 guys in New York and if something happens they are legally responsible or at minimum they have a legal fight on their hands over responsibility.
3. Notice when you present facts about Amac the lackeys (PHP) put their tails between their legs and run.
that's nothing compared to how much the big stables buying super priced that turned out to either not race or be duds.
want to go broke by a horse or a boat.
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According to Amac, in his own words. a horse needs to make between $35K-$40K to break even and thats US dollars
At $ 60/day, $ 45000 is a more realistic figure with no stakes payments and shipping.
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I thought he always advertised $2000 a month all in
A more realistic figure is $ 3000/month + shipping and vet.
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I wonder how many horses had stake payments made yet spent all summer in NW1's on the Ontario B circuit.
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lol
low bar of decent
how much was the sintra purchase price
lincoln james is a 7500 claimer
and people couldn’t wait to buy a share and own a piece of a gold cup horse.
especially Sintra. who won it.
supply and demand bud.
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The other extra people are missing is shoeing. I agree big stables lose big money with people that buy 25%, 50%, or all of a horse not suckering people into buying a little love it alot but as PT Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute.
Even if a bill is $4K or $5K per month which includes everything the stable can think of to charge clients Amac knows that at 1% who is going to complain about $40.00 or $50.00 and if they do too bad. Keep in mind that according to his website owners are not allowed to talk among themselves. He cites privacy issues or in plain English Amac does not want these little people ganging up on him as a group. One on one he can swat them away like a fly but he cannot handle a swarm of bees
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I thought he always advertised $2000 a month all in
That might be Canadian dollars but in US dollars a couple years ago it was 75 a day. No vet charges and believe the charge for video pre month charge that doesn't go away if the horse is kept at 3, 4, or 5. Meaning those many videos you see for 2 yr old doesn't go away for zero videos of a 4 yr old who races all the time. When the horses go to Tim Twaddle who probably charges 45 a day at best your still charged the Stable rate.
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I would love to see how much .was spent on yearling and race horses and how did they bring in .He said he had a great year
This is just one sale Lexington since they post information. Remember they spend and buy a lot of horses at the Ohio Jug sale. Buy a lot at Harrisburg. Spend a lot in ONT.
Lexington 2021 535k. Lexington 2022 962k. 2023 Lex 1.09M.
I will say the more they spend they have gotten better horses. They did sell a 100k TL filly couple years back for 600k. U can bet Amac had shares in that one. When they where spending less it was cheap junk to pad the training bills.
Amac taking R&R in Costa Rica life is probably good? At least beats his lone shot at public office in Ont.
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and people couldn’t wait to buy a share and own a piece of a gold cup horse.
especially Sintra. who won it.
supply and demand bud.
People lined up madoff to, that's not a sign of success
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ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS COULD BE COSIDERED A SECURITY.
IF THIS WAS INVESTIGATED BY THE SEC----THIS ENTIRE MODEL COULD POSSIBLY BE DEEMED A SECURITY WHICH COULD CLOSE THE ENTITY DOWN.
THE MODEL IS BRILLIANT BUT FLAWED.
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Every stable makes good and bad buys. They aren't all profitable choices and in many instances , they're losers. I see people often ragging on Anthony and the stable.ca. honestly that makes you look unintelligent. Regardless of your take on profitability, the stable is one of the last positives in our industry. Anthony does a great job promoting his barn and racing in general and has single handedly gotten more people involved in this business than probably every trainer across the country. His business model is highly innovative and has even lead to other trainers trying to spin off this type of ownership. He's as sharp as they get, especially in a business riddled with nit wits. Definitely someone worth following to learn a thing or too about running a successful operation.
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Please define successful operation
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He runs a "business" and his objective is to make money. And I'm sure he is making a ton. Sorry I didn't come up with this idea first! Like him or not, it was a good idea for the ones at the top of the pyramid! tmbz1
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He runs a "business" and his objective is to make money. And I'm sure he is making a ton. Sorry I didn't come up with this idea first! Like him or not, it was a good idea for the ones at the top of the pyramid! tmbz1
this is the wave of the future -- not just for these microstables, but look at any winners circle at Meadowlands... 3-4-5-6 partners....
I've been involved in mico share ownership in thoroughbreds.... Can't say I've made a lot of money -- was not expecting to - I have two shares in Mage, Derby winner, that has done very well and covered costs. Couple of graded stakes winners, another that has made some money that has cleared $480k in earnings. Have the walls in my office with win pictures from all over and been able to be in the winners cirlce.
Point is -- we complain and complain that owners are shrinking. That there are a handful of trainers with a handful of owners that control everything. Along comes A-Mac with a very interesting business model. He has brought in probably hundreds of new owners into the business that are in a position to buy 1% and afford it...... And yes he probably is making a bunch..... So now we complain and complain.....
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this is the wave of the future -- not just for these microstables, but look at any winners circle at Meadowlands... 3-4-5-6 partners....
I've been involved in mico share ownership in thoroughbreds.... Can't say I've made a lot of money -- was not expecting to - I have two shares in Mage, Derby winner, that has done very well and covered costs. Couple of graded stakes winners, another that has made some money that has cleared $480k in earnings. Have the walls in my office with win pictures from all over and been able to be in the winners cirlce.
Point is -- we complain and complain that owners are shrinking. That there are a handful of trainers with a handful of owners that control everything. Along comes A-Mac with a very interesting business model. He has brought in probably hundreds of new owners into the business that are in a position to buy 1% and afford it...... And yes he probably is making a bunch..... So now we complain and complain.....
Many of us understand what you are saying. Many of these 1% people probably can afford more than 1%. If this $$$ is available, can’t they buy bigger percentages and/or their own horses, and/or form their own partnerships/partnership groups? This way you get more $$$$ invested and more people involved and maybe a few more $$$ at the betting windows too!!
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I have been told by people in the Stable.Ca that in the last 3 years only 9 people have gone on to purchase at least 10% of a horse with Amac or with someone else. I do not think anyone buying a 1%, 2%, or 3% share of a horse is "getting in the business". If it does then I am in the automotive, healthcare, oil, and computer business among others with my stocks but not really
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I have been told by people in the Stable.Ca that in the last 3 years only 9 people have gone on to purchase at least 10% of a horse with Amac or with someone else. I do not think anyone buying a 1%, 2%, or 3% share of a horse is "getting in the business". If it does then I am in the automotive, healthcare, oil, and computer business among others with my stocks but not really
I think that is why he can make it sellable with so many as 1-5% ownership especially when they went to buckets with 5 or 6 horses inside. Sold as entertainment and some access into horse racing. Where as the early days of buying babies, cheap babies the money and ROI was unacceptable, and usually never mentioned. Now he doesn't need to show as much to investors maybe a few bigger ones but the 1 percent isn't leaving.
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umm, i think you all went through all of this a year or so ago
rinse and repeat
its a business, if people dont like it than they will not participate
its like any business model, your customers/consumers will tell you if they like what you are doing by showing up or not
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He has a lot of happy owners .that's all that counts
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He has a lot of happy owners .that's all that counts
Not nearly as happy as Amac ...." If the clients were not meant to be fleeced they would not be sheep"
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We do know this is primarily charity for a few, and a pyramid game for others, right?
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We do know this is primarily charity for a few, and a pyramid game for others, right?
And some pyramids are bigger than others too!!!
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So all race horses don't make money?
done ok with Think of Galaxies (off Burke no less)
sold Crantini for 85K, bought back 8 weeks later for 40K
bought All Gas No Brakes of Luther for 18K, has made over 50K in 10 starts
I do agree buying Greatest Ending knowing he ties up easily is a head scratcher
I believe Anthony has horse racing in his best interest, after all he encourages other trainers to do fractional ownership to get new owners in the game. Most guys would be trying to blackball them if they could.
And something else many of you don't know and he doesn't go around talking about it....Brave World was 2 steps away from the killers, Anthony bought the horse back and had it shipped on his dime, patched him up to find he a good retirement home.
Lot of know it alls in here who don't know shit
He encourages other trainers to do fractional ownership in public but doesn't care enough to answer their questions when they contact him.
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Scratch a little deeper than the surface, you'll find what you need.