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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Miguel_Sanchez on December 01, 2023, 11:59:26 AM
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Jimmy Freight wins in Rosecroft debut - This horse is stoned cripple. Pelling won't train him and now Moreau either won't train him or he's been disallowed from racing at Mohawk. Retire the poor horse. You send him to Mike Hall who is known EPO / Snake Venom and what ever else he can use to get one to race. Eric Cherry / Adrianno Sorrello shouldn't be allowed to own horses. You both think there machines and can go on forever. Both of you are crippled yourself. Why don't you two go run a 5k this weekend for charity and see how you feel afterward. Then do it again next week and the week after until you either die or can't walk and need a wheelchair for the rest of your life.
Oh BTW no narcotics to run those 5k's either boys. See how you like doing it on hay n oats like you preach.
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All the shit you say they use I think they test for that.
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Half these trainers don’t care about the horse, they juice em up , make money betting them at the window and after a short time the poor horse is gutted. There is a horse for sale on the ongait website. Just plain loco for $15,000 starting bid. The horse is gutted from the last trainer juicing the poor animal week after week. Now another trainer has this horse( who is been caught numerous times with positives) is the trainer. Don’t think he has enough drugs to keep this poor horse going so their trying to unload him to someone else. Buyer beware on this horse !
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Half these trainers don’t care about the horse, they juice em up , make money betting them at the window and after a short time the poor horse is gutted. There is a horse for sale on the ongait website. Just plain loco for $15,000 starting bid. The horse is gutted from the last trainer juicing the poor animal week after week. Now another trainer has this horse( who is been caught numerous times with positives) is the trainer. Don’t think he has enough drugs to keep this poor horse going so their trying to unload him to someone else. Buyer beware on horse !
This is harness racing 2023, not harness racing 1970! There is not enough money to make a living by doing this. Please look at the Rosecroft pools last night!! All it takes is 1 (bad) beat to lose your profits and more.
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shameful racing him for $12 k in his condition
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I think a lot of trainers who work with these horses everyday begin to think of them as nothing more than commodities. No different than the day traders who buy and sell stocks. With no emotional attachment they do whatever it takes to try and make money. Maybe some caretakers and small time owners/trainers might feel some attachment, but otherwise it's a cutthroat business to the detriment of the horses.
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I think a lot of trainers who work with these horses everyday begin to think of them as nothing more than commodities. No different than the day traders who buy and sell stocks. With no emotional attachment they do whatever it takes to try and make money. Maybe some caretakers and small time owners might feel some attachment, but otherwise it's a cutthroat business to the detriment of the horses.
Pelling at least had the guts to tell them no. The horse is gonna break down on the track and get someone hurt before long.
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Half these trainers don’t care about the horse, they juice em up , make money betting them at the window and after a short time the poor horse is gutted. There is a horse for sale on the ongait website. Just plain loco for $15,000 starting bid. The horse is gutted from the last trainer juicing the poor animal week after week. Now another trainer has this horse( who is been caught numerous times with positives) is the trainer. Don’t think he has enough drugs to keep this poor horse going so their trying to unload him to someone else. Buyer beware on this horse !
I was actually looking at this horse but I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing. Current trainer Bratt had one positive in '21 and in '22 -- and back in '12 - that's it -- hardly numerous times. Prior trainer Guiliani has no positives at all according to USTA. Horse finished second his last three starts so he's definitely not gutted. Maybe you can clarify and correct me.
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I was actually looking at this horse but I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing. Current trainer Bratt had one positive in '21 and in '22 -- and back in '12 - that's it -- hardly numerous times. Prior trainer Guiliani has no positives at all according to USTA. Horse finished second his last three starts so he's definitely not gutted. Maybe you can clarify and correct me.
And still the same owners
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This horse would pace in 1.53 last year, nothing like the horse he was earlier this year.bratt is no good and Giuliani was barred from Buffalo raceway about 3 years back after getting caught with needles and syringes in barns. She had to go to pompano for awhile. Her dad helps train and in his day was no stranger to getting positives. Been around hear for many many years, very very few people that are from this track will NOT claim horses off these two people. You do what’s best for you and I wish you the best of luck if you decide to bid on the horse.
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This horse would pace in 1.53 last year, nothing like the horse he was earlier this year.bratt is no good and Giuliani was barred from Buffalo raceway about 3 years back after getting caught with needles and syringes in barns. She had to go to pompano for awhile. Her dad helps train and in his day was no stranger to getting positives. Been around hear for many many years, very very few people that are from this track will NOT claim horses off these two people. You do what’s best for you and I wish you the best of luck if you decide to bid on the horse.
Thanks for clarifying.
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I was actually looking at this horse but I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing. Current trainer Bratt had one positive in '21 and in '22 -- and back in '12 - that's it -- hardly numerous times. Prior trainer Guiliani has no positives at all according to USTA. Horse finished second his last three starts so he's definitely not gutted. Maybe you can clarify and correct me.
Positives mean nothing . They can’t test for most of the drugs they use. Those who get positives just got careless..
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Poor Jimmy Freight is worth more money dead than he is alive! His owners know exactly what they are doing! No company will investigate the claim if there are a few thousand witnesses to the death! You can bet your bottom dollar that they increased the amount of the policy when he became a Sire!
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I think a lot of trainers who work with these horses everyday begin to think of them as nothing more than commodities. Maybe some caretakers and small time owners/trainers might feel some attachment, but otherwise it's a cutthroat business to the detriment of the horses.
I read this and it makes me sad. SAD? because it's true. There are some small trainer/owner/groom outfits that hold their horses almost like pets. Do the horses reward them for such kindness? Remarkably, i'll say while the horse may not know is his head that he got a win, the horse can't, in my cases, read the tote board - AHA! they sure do know if they get a carrot- and, that translates to a horse making the connection between reward and performance.
As for using them as commodity, it's true in so many big factory training companies. It's a real shame ... and needs to be controlled
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Russell Bratt is just a beard, he works for Steve Andzel and Steve Kiblin. They are the two training this horse. The horse has a huge heart but is a cripple. Last week watching him warmup was so sad he could hardly walk. This horse has every painkiller ever invented used on him. Shockwaved to death. Its sad the owners allow this to happen. A broken down 8,000 claimer.
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Andzel and kiblin can’t hold a training license. Video couple years ago of andzel with a tube shoved down a horses throat and kiblin had 1 or 2 horses drop dead on him, to much drugs in the horses system. Andzel used to be with the Giuliani barn, had a breakup so he’s with that crook kiblin. Both of theses morons are no good !
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The three,andzell, bratt and kiblin druggers horsekillers betting pool manipulators.Goin g on for years. they will keep it up because track management does not care .The worse it looks the faster, they can decouple.To bad for the ones that are honest. THey laugh when called out they are untouchable..
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/1-22-24/jimmy-freight-retired-racing-stand-stud.html
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Positives mean nothing .
in answer to this rhetorical question *
HOW GREEDY CAN YOU BE>
simply study the Friday fines and penalties. There's the answer
the companion question is
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?
the associations and commissions assigned oversight are simply ignoring the continuing violations that are eventually going to end this sport. The involved parties are just as stupid by believing that the golden goose fed by complicit states will just keep squatting and laying those golden eggs. Meanwhile, the hi level management serves up word salad while chewing on those hi end salaries.
My crystal ball says the end is near and suddenly the greedy fools will be back to going roundy round at county fairs for fun and enjoyment
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Considering all that is being said here. The buck stops with the ownership. Maybe time to start barring ownership from owning horses they float from trainer to trainer when a horse is crippled, and looking for a magic formula.
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Considering all that is being said here. The buck stops with the ownership. Maybe time to start barring ownership from owning horses they float from trainer to trainer when a horse is crippled, and looking for a magic formula.
Would State Commissions have the audacity to suspend owners whose trainers are discovered to have used illegal PE substances. I'm guessing it would take like one enforced substance on a big time money machine and the greedy would be swallowed up by common sense.
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Would State Commissions have the audacity to suspend owners whose trainers are discovered to have used illegal PE substances. I'm guessing it would take like one enforced substance on a big time money machine and the greedy would be swallowed up by common sense.
No they won't. Would be even more hidden ownership. Essentially doing this to HT now. I guess we will see how it goes.
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I'm glad that Jimmy was retired.
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If people want pets they should buy a fish these are race horses and athletes investments treat them as such wtf is wrong with people if you got a horse that you want to retire do it don't tell others how to run their own shit race them til their legs fall off I've always said
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Half these trainers don’t care about the horse, they juice em up , make money betting them at the window and after a short time the poor horse is gutted. There is a horse for sale on the ongait website. Just plain loco for $15,000 starting bid. The horse is gutted from the last trainer juicing the poor animal week after week. Now another trainer has this horse( who is been caught numerous times with positives) is the trainer. Don’t think he has enough drugs to keep this poor horse going so their trying to unload him to someone else. Buyer beware on this horse !
Like Jidge I certainly don't see this:
1.) Cannot find a listing for this horse on OnGait and he hasn't sold on Ongait recently
2.) He won $64,000 in 25 starts in 2023.
3.) He raced at the Meadowlands on December 30 in a TM<80cd. He left strongly out of the gate, sat 2nd, came along the rail with good pace to win. He looked sound and in good flesh walking back to the winner's circle. Since his owners are NJ, the horse is eligible for a 25% NJ bonus also.
4.) On January 13 he had the rail in a $20,000 claimer at Freehold and lost by a nose.
5.) This past Saturday he raced again at the Meadowlands in a $20-$30 claimer (priced at $24,000). He went off at 23-1. He left out of the gate strongly, sat a decent trip and had plenty of pace in the stretch to come in 2nd filling out a $180 exacta. Note that Tyler Miller (not exactly John Campbell in the sulky) drove him in all three races.