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Title: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 21, 2023, 12:52:30 PM
The fact they were caught is reason to question. The fact they were facilitating acts with syringes, and blood voiles, is cause for immediate suspension without appeal. The fact that we have not created a thread here to voice the a large or unanimous position that the USTA has done nothing, is also wrong by all of us.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: okdfool on November 21, 2023, 01:30:44 PM
The fact they were caught is reason to question. The fact they were facilitating acts with syringes, and blood voiles, is cause for immediate suspension without appeal. The fact that we have not created a thread here to voice the a large or unanimous position that the USTA has done nothing, is also wrong by all of us.

Who?
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Harness Stats on November 21, 2023, 01:49:36 PM
He's talking about the Pelling barn late night visit at the Red Mile the last week of Grand Circuit where someone was allegedly caught with this stuff.  It was talked about here.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 21, 2023, 03:13:33 PM
The Thorn is correct. But its still unsettling, and simply cannot be let go.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Stan durbread on November 21, 2023, 05:23:00 PM
He's talking about the Pelling barn late night visit at the Red Mile the last week of Grand Circuit where someone was allegedly caught with this stuff.  It was talked about here.
It wasn’t during GC meet it was middle of August. Person caught got 6 months. Owner got $5000 fine. More than any other owner has ever gotten when one of their employees got caught doing something
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Parked on November 21, 2023, 05:23:21 PM
The fact they were caught is reason to question. The fact they were facilitating acts with syringes, and blood voiles, is cause for immediate suspension without appeal. The fact that we have not created a thread here to voice the a large or unanimous position that the USTA has done nothing, is also wrong by all of us.
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Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Brown jug on November 21, 2023, 05:52:04 PM
more investigation and answers are required
the 'suspension" and fine were a peace offering and a sacrificial lamb
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: SDST2009 on November 21, 2023, 05:54:20 PM
It wasn’t during GC meet it was middle of August. Person caught got 6 months. Owner got $5000 fine. More than any other owner has ever gotten when one of their employees got caught doing something

I am curious what went on behind the scenes on this. There has to be have been more information than was made public, right? To your point, it's a hefty fine with no further info on what the purposes of said syringes were; blood out, or something in?

The whole thing seems really odd.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Stan durbread on November 21, 2023, 06:04:13 PM
I am curious what went on behind the scenes on this. There has to be have been more information than was made public, right? To your point, it's a hefty fine with no further info on what the purposes of said syringes were; blood out, or something in?

The whole thing seems really odd.
They were caught with needles and blood vials. There is no possibility of injecting anything IN with a blood vial
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: SDST2009 on November 21, 2023, 06:12:55 PM
They were caught with needles and blood vials. There is no possibility of injecting anything IN with a blood vial

Ok, good to know. I didn't recall the specifics of the penalty; I'll re-read it.

What do you think they were doing, out of curiosity? Pulling blood, I assume, per the above, but why under such cloak and dagger conditions?
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Parked on November 21, 2023, 06:18:00 PM
I am curious what went on behind the scenes on this. There has to be have been more information than was made public, right? To your point, it's a hefty fine with no further info on what the purposes of said syringes were; blood out, or something in?

The whole thing seems really odd.

$5,000 to him is nothing. 
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Stan durbread on November 21, 2023, 06:29:26 PM
Knowing a few of the people involved. I personally think the racing manager was hoping to find abnormal blood levels on 1 of the horses so he could put a wheel under one of the trainers
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: shotgunner on November 21, 2023, 07:36:06 PM
Knowing a few of the people involved. I personally think the racing manager was hoping to find abnormal blood levels on 1 of the horses so he could put a wheel under one of the trainers
100% the story I heard is that exact scenario
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 21, 2023, 08:49:03 PM
It wasn’t during GC meet it was middle of August. Person caught got 6 months. Owner got $5000 fine. More than any other owner has ever gotten when one of their employees got caught doing something

Its a minuscule amount in comparison to the potential crime. your the problem, (Same mind set as the USTA, filled with reasoning).
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 21, 2023, 08:51:19 PM
Knowing a few of the people involved. I personally think the racing manager was hoping to find abnormal blood levels on 1 of the horses so he could put a wheel under one of the trainers

The racing manager? you delusional fuck. The racing manager was the son-in-law of someone who retired before he was indicted. and marriaed to the daughter that is questionably dropped in her percentages just enough to look talented.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on November 21, 2023, 09:15:37 PM
The racing manager? you delusional fuck. The racing manager was the son-in-law of someone who retired before he was indicted. and marriaed to the daughter that is questionably dropped in her percentages just enough to look talented.
He's an imbecile.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on November 21, 2023, 09:18:12 PM
They were caught with needles and blood vials. There is no possibility of injecting anything IN with a blood vial
Fucking moron. I'm sure they strip searched them too. At least now I know where to go if I want to sell my swamp land.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Chips N Salsa on November 21, 2023, 11:41:15 PM
The fact they were caught is reason to question. The fact they were facilitating acts with syringes, and blood voiles, is cause for immediate suspension without appeal. The fact that we have not created a thread here to voice the a large or unanimous position that the USTA has done nothing, is also wrong by all of us.

Agree 1000%
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Chips N Salsa on November 21, 2023, 11:42:55 PM
It wasn’t during GC meet it was middle of August. Person caught got 6 months. Owner got $5000 fine. More than any other owner has ever gotten when one of their employees got caught doing something

The person who got 6mo doesn't have a license so what does six mo matter?  Owner instructed them to do it and 5K is peanuts.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Chips N Salsa on November 21, 2023, 11:45:32 PM
100% the story I heard is that exact scenario

Your putting "a wheel under" Brett Pelling?  GTFOH  This is a manufactured excuse. 
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Chips N Salsa on November 21, 2023, 11:46:57 PM
The racing manager? you delusional fuck. The racing manager was the son-in-law of someone who retired before he was indicted. and marriaed to the daughter that is questionably dropped in her percentages just enough to look talented.

Jimmy T was never indicted
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Stan durbread on November 22, 2023, 05:25:53 AM
The racing manager? you delusional fuck. The racing manager was the son-in-law of someone who retired before he was indicted. and marriaed to the daughter that is questionably dropped in her percentages just enough to look talented.
You really think the Feds would have dropped the case just because he said he was going to retire?? 
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Stan durbread on November 22, 2023, 05:27:54 AM
Your putting "a wheel under" Brett Pelling?  GTFOH  This is a manufactured excuse.
Pelling wasn’t the only trainer that had a visit from them. And yes Marcus is very jealous of some of the trainers that DC employs
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Kole Hanover on November 22, 2023, 08:35:17 AM
He's talking about the Pelling barn late night visit at the Red Mile the last week of Grand Circuit where someone was allegedly caught with this stuff.  It was talked about here.


No- it wasn't Pellings barn, it was the D.C horses that were stabled there. Not all of Pellings
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 22, 2023, 10:48:12 AM
Jimmy T was never indicted

Dumb Ass read the sentence retired before he was, (would have) been.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 22, 2023, 10:49:05 AM
You really think the Feds would have dropped the case just because he said he was going to retire??

Yes, he walks away spends time in florida, seemingly out of the game...Yes.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 22, 2023, 10:50:17 AM
The person who got 6mo doesn't have a license so what does six mo matter?  Owner instructed them to do it and 5K is peanuts.

NOW YOU UNDERSTAND. You just made my point!!! THE USTA AND THE COMMISSIONS are for fluff.
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Chips N Salsa on November 22, 2023, 12:09:58 PM
Dumb Ass read the sentence retired before he was, (would have) been.

Why did Jimmy get a pass?
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Generation XYZ on November 22, 2023, 12:11:55 PM
Why did Jimmy get a pass?

Plenty of advance notice by the powers that be at The Big M
Title: Re: WHEN AN OWNER MAKES A LATE NIGHT VISIT WITH SYRINGES...WAKE UP USTA!
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 22, 2023, 02:04:41 PM
I so remember the game called "Telephone" when I was a little kid. Never a surprise how the word starting out ended up being so far away from the word you ended up with. I can't help but wonder how many second, third, and further hand stories there are here. How many people were actually there, in Lexington? And how many were actually there, on the backstretch the next morning? Sometimes a case of front-side and back-side but more often than not a case of insiders and outsiders.
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