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		General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Laag on November 02, 2023, 09:05:05 PM
		
			
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				why? why not race....is he really that attractive given all the other horses out there from the past decade
			
 
			
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				He's a nothing horse.  He quits if he gets looked in the eye.
			
 
			
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				New York farm paid 2.5 for him
Indy farm offered 1.5. 
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New York farm paid 2.5 for him
Indy farm offered 1.5. 
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     OUCH, I feel sorry for Tom if that's true. Can't see him getting more than 60-70 mares. 
			 
			
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				Confederate will be announced soon to stand in PA for 20 thousand a pop
			
 
			
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				Blue Chip is apparently partners with Diamond Creek on this one. After he finishes out his 3yr. old career he'll be syndicated, then stands for $6K in New York, where they will now allow shipped semen. His win in the Jug proves he can handle a half, so NY was a logical choice.
			
 
			
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				1500k stud fee??
			
 
			
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				He wasn't a factor in the big races, hasn't even made a million dollars which is the benchmark for stallions.  He won't last as a stallion ranks, he's just the flavor of the week.
			 
			
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				very nice horse
has showed his speed
strong pedigree
so he couldn't beat confederate, nobody could
a different drive/trip in the jug finals and he is top 2 for sure 
			 
			
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				I don't find him particularly impressive but there is really nothing saying he won't make a better sire than anyone else, including Confederate. Not always the best performer that makes the best sire.
			
 
			
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				He has a great pedigree and did well on the 1/2   He will get 140 mares off the bat. If you don’t think so then look at his competitors there. Huntsville is best ATM 
			
 
			
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He has a great pedigree and did well on the 1/2   He will get 140 mares off the bat. If you don’t think so then look at his competitors there. Huntsville is best ATM
Good call. That state is not pacer-strong.
			 
			
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				Shipped semen is really going to improve the sire stake program in NY. Now you don't have to ship a mare and a two-week-old foal to NY to get bred to a local stallion.
			
 
			
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Shipped semen is really going to improve the sire stake program in NY. Now you don't have to ship a mare and a two-week-old foal to NY to get bred to a local stallion.
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Good call. That state is not pacer-strong.
I think Huntsville is so extraordinary that he is making real good sires look average. I still think American Ideal is damn good and probably underrated.
			 
			
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I think Huntsville is so extraordinary that he is making real good sires look average. I still think American Ideal is damn good and probably underrated.
I will take your word for it. I am not as up to date on the pacing sires as trotters, and not super in tune with NY in general. I've seen good Huntsvilles outside of NY; good American Ideal fillies outside of NY; and not much else from a pacing perspective. There is so much $$ in NY though, you don't need to leave the state to do well so I am sure there are some real killers that never reach the other states because there's no need.