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Title: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Harness Stats on October 09, 2023, 04:11:34 PM
Yonkers Tuesday Race 2 ... Dash for the Cash .. They made it a true open with Covered Bridge, Leonidas, This Is The Plan and three others.  Should be interesting at least.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: seen2much on October 09, 2023, 04:51:12 PM
They should be firing off the gate. Will there overdriving like the Jug?
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Bernie Madoff on October 09, 2023, 05:24:38 PM
Yonkers Tuesday Race 2 ... Dash for the Cash .. They made it a true open with Covered Bridge, Leonidas, This Is The Plan and three others.  Should be interesting at least.



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Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: rainman2 on October 09, 2023, 05:35:07 PM
They should be firing off the gate. Will there overdriving like the Jug?
It’s only 9/16 if a mile !!  A better question is will overdriving lead to a major incident on the track??  This isn’t the sharpest driving colony in North America today!!
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on October 09, 2023, 06:16:28 PM
It’s only 9/16 if a mile !!  A better question is will overdriving lead to a major incident on the track??  This isn’t the sharpest driving colony in North America today!!
The shorter distance favors the honest horsemen, as gassed horses are stronger longer but doing it on a half mile track makes post position even more of a deciding factor. I would love to see half mile dashes at M1.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: rainman2 on October 09, 2023, 06:25:34 PM
The shorter distance favors the honest horsemen, as gassed horses are stronger longer but doing it on a half mile track makes post position even more of a deciding factor. I would love to see half mile dashes at M1.

Is it worth watching a catastrophic incident on/off the racetrack as a result of this race??  Asking for a friend!!
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 09, 2023, 07:07:23 PM
The shorter distance favors the honest horsemen, as gassed horses are stronger longer but doing it on a half mile track makes post position even more of a deciding factor. I would love to see half mile dashes at M1.
That would be fascinating. I think you'd see a 51.4
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: JIDGE on October 09, 2023, 07:46:42 PM
Gotta say not a big fan of the short dashes. It eliminates most of the strategy and can't be helpful in keeping a horse sound -- especially on a half. I think the mile and a quarter, or a mile and a half is a little more intriguing alternative, but I'm for the standard mile.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on October 09, 2023, 08:47:50 PM
Gotta say not a big fan of the short dashes. It eliminates most of the strategy and can't be helpful in keeping a horse sound -- especially on a half. I think the mile and a quarter, or a mile and a half is a little more intriguing alternative, but I'm for the standard mile.
I think distance lames one up. I believe shorter races would keep horses around longer. I know when I first got in the business, the old timers would tell me when a horse gets tired at the end of a mile is usually when they hurt themselves. I have no proof either way but I do know the chemicals being used today don't make a horse go faster, it just makes a horse not tire as quickly. That is why you see horses pacing last quarters in 25 seconds and not gaining a length on the leader.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: onabrake on October 09, 2023, 08:48:03 PM
Yonkers ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 they still "race" there. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: PineHurstPacer on October 10, 2023, 01:16:20 AM
fun to watch I guess

not sure why an owner or trainer would risk putting a horse in here though

just not bred to race like they will be asked to
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 10, 2023, 01:19:58 AM
I think distance lames one up. I believe shorter races would keep horses around longer. I know when I first got in the business, the old timers would tell me when a horse gets tired at the end of a mile is usually when they hurt themselves. I have no proof either way but I do know the chemicals being used today don't make a horse go faster, it just makes a horse not tire as quickly. That is why you see horses pacing last quarters in 25 seconds and not gaining a length on the leader.
Or pacing in the low part of 1.50 and not getting a check. Never thought I'd see that!
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: rainman2 on October 10, 2023, 04:21:33 PM
The shorter distance favors the honest horsemen, as gassed horses are stronger longer but doing it on a half mile track makes post position even more of a deciding factor. I would love to see half mile dashes at M1.

A 9/16 mile race would be more intriguing to the horsemen ad well as the getting public!!  The next question is should it be for the ‘full purse’ since they are going 9/16 ??  Does it matter if they make events like this at Yonkers, The Meadowlands, or any other track??
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on October 10, 2023, 05:44:51 PM
Been done. Never sticks novelty wears off fast. And each horse loses 3 starts to this one in their lifetime being torched.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: rainman2 on October 10, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
Been done. Never sticks novelty wears off fast. And each horse loses 3 starts to this one in their lifetime being torched.

If you own them, you want to race for good money now, and you deal with the potential issues down the road if there are any!
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Harness Stats on October 10, 2023, 07:34:55 PM
That was easy and anticlimactic.  Leonidas had the lead first turn and bottomed them out.  Probably didn't take 3 starts off his life either.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: getreal on October 10, 2023, 10:10:35 PM
9/16th of a mile is a complete Joke. Of many real harness gamblers that I've asked, they all want mile racing. The Harness Handicapper is
different than the Thoroughbred capper. Frasure tried this at Pompano if I remember correctly. Was a bad idea then and even worse on a 1/2
mile track. Get rid of it.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on October 10, 2023, 10:28:42 PM
9/16th of a mile is a complete Joke. Of many real harness gamblers that I've asked, they all want mile racing. The Harness Handicapper is
different than the Thoroughbred capper. Frasure tried this at Pompano if I remember correctly. Was a bad idea then and even worse on a 1/2
mile track. Get rid of it.
I don't agree with it on a half mile track but I think a 8 horse field, half mile dash on a mile track would be exciting. I could envision 4 in and 4 out turning for home.
Title: Re: 9/16 mile OPEN pace at Yonkers
Post by: Bernie Madoff on October 11, 2023, 06:02:41 AM
I don't agree with it on a half mile track but I think a 8 horse field, half mile dash on a mile track would be exciting. I could envision 4 in and 4 out turning for home.



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