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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: winky on September 30, 2023, 04:50:48 PM
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Took Ants Marching to a 27 second q
All Good....
When he hit the 1/2...it read 53:2
The announcer stated whatever onlooker thought...
"If that's right (53:2)......that's WRONG!"
but said the hell with horse...kept going 1:20 Flat
Then dropped dead in the lane Finished 5th
Dex, Have you been puffing the wacky Weed??
Guess he thought he had SBSW ?
or Bret Hanover?
Nice to drive.....and not give a damn about your mount.
Just wonder if the owner came over and slapped him in
the head with a BBQ Sandwich Extra Sauce
My opinion of Dexter has dropped..
I am hoping the teletimer was wrong.
An insult to Harness Racing..
PS No I didnt bet $2 ...dont even bet.
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Retarded take.
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Took Ants Marching to a 27 second q
All Good....
When he hit the 1/2...it read 53:2
The announcer stated whatever onlooker thought...
"If that's right (53:2)......that's WRONG!"
but said the hell with horse...kept going 1:20 Flat
Then dropped dead in the lane Finished 5th
Dex, Have you been puffing the wacky Weed??
Guess he thought he had SBSW ?
or Bret Hanover?
Nice to drive.....and not give a damn about your mount.
Just wonder if the owner came over and slapped him in
the head with a BBQ Sandwich Extra Sauce
My opinion of Dexter has dropped..
I am hoping the teletimer was wrong.
An insult to Harness Racing..
PS No I didnt bet $2 ...dont even bet.
Or the trainer told him to send and he would win
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I'm thinkin it was , one of those, where they just say "We're going down the road."...Hopin to bottom 'em out. Like Tom Cruise said in Risky business.."Sometimes, you just gotta say'What the fuck'"
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Retarded take.
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Horse is impossible to hold and Dexter is the weakest of any driver besides maybe David Miller. He isn't going to fight one or even try to wrangle one back. Trainers know this so they should understand what was going to happen. Anyone in the know knew this was coming anyway.....
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Also the hyperbole is retarded to, the whole fucking thing.
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Also the hyperbole is retarded to, the whole fucking thing.
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I'm getting the sense that some members of this forum do not like the choice of topics by this "new" member "Winky". I wonder why that is? Something about absurdity of choice of topics perhaps, and a bit of overdoing his nonsensical points while trying to make jokes. Who might do such a thing?
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I thought that Dunn made a mistake. He took back to fifth with Jiggy Jog. A longshot carried her up, three wide on the turn, & she won easily.
Dunn had amazing horses last year. Bulldog retired, maybe others too, & another one left the country.
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Pretty rare for a track announcer to call out a driver.
Listen to the call...10th race RED MILE
and check back...
Dex top driver...this drive was a spicy meatball.
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Pretty rare for a track announcer to call out a driver.
Listen to the call...10th race RED MILE
and check back...
Dex top driver...this drive was a spicy meatball.
Ayer’s would use that call probably once a week when some idiot rolled one at NFLD.
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He's not getting contacted by any1
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Agent Timothy McGilliciuty from Peta has contacted Mr. Dunn.
Here are the minutes from the conversation @ 10:08 AM est
Agent Tim: Hello , May I speak to Mr. Dexter Dunn?
Dex Dunn: Huh?
Agent Tim: Is this Mr. Dunn?
Dex Dunn: What?
Agent Tim: Are you Dunn??
Dex: Yeah.
Agent Tim: So get the hell off the toilet bowl!!
Others have to use it !!!!!!
This has been a public service newscast. No charge.
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I really dont get the whole Dexter Dunn fascination. Now let me clarify one thing. I was away mentally and physically from the sport during the whole Covid fucking disaster, so i must admit, other than watching Bulldog replays, this is the first full year, i have seen DD drive consistently ( maybe not a fair sampling. I know he made a big splash upon arrival, after some dubious circumstances at home). From what i have seen and I do respect his earnings, he sits a bike well, has "speed" in his hands but i am not seeing anything special or extraordinary. maybe it's me. He has, this year anyway, won very few significant races, has made many mistakes in significant races, is really nor very good on a small track, mistimed his move with Seven Colors in the Jug and has had some dreadful days on important days. He and Yannick are the worst 2 "overdrivers" among the top 10, IMHO. And as you know, I often defend Yannick, mostly because he is a supreme earner. As a trainer who relied on catch drivers, I assess with complete objectivity Dexter is a solid driver who can earn with a top horse, but as a horseman, I personally would not let him near a top colt of mine. The big upside driver i see next 5 years is Todd McCarthy.
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Give it a fucking rest. You are enthralled with Todd Mcarthy and that isn't an obsession?
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Bit late to be calling Todd McCarthy an up and comer.
That time was 2 years ago.
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Give it a fucking rest. You are enthralled with Todd Mcarthy and that isn't an obsession?
HEY WINKSTER
MCARTHY IS NOT BTTER THAN DEXTER..
JUST FACTS
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And dont get me wrong...
I think Dex Dunn one of the best currently in US..
US Top ... not necessarily in order
Dex Dunn
Brian Sears/ David Miller
Tetrick/Gingras
Mcarthies
Canada
Jody Jamieson
McNair
Sylvain Filion
Roy
again mix and match the order as to taste..
Just saying Dunn ...crazy drive...and everyone entitled to
a screw up...
Just the other day ..got up early and brushed with wrong toothpaste..
I thought it tasted a bit odd..
when I was done I saw marked on the tube.....
"Preparation H"
I guess that was worse than a 53:2 1/2 and a 1:20 flat 3/4?
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Bit late to be calling Todd McCarthy an up and comer.
That time was 2 years ago.
Kinda true - just saying I see bigger things and more opportunities for Todd. Very good trotter driver too.
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Give it a fucking rest. You are enthralled with Todd Mcarthy and that isn't an obsession?
No, I just like what I see from him and my perspective differs from yours.
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You know alot more then me about the business, but you really honestly believe a,driver matters?
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You know alot more then me about the business, but you really honestly believe a,driver matters?
Absolutely. Maybe not on a horse like Confederate or SBSW. But there are a few guys that have an uncanny ability to get a little extra out of a horse and can adapt their strategy in a split second based on every other driver is doing. No one but Ron Pierce would have ever beat SBSW. Ron’s moves were perfectly timed and he had the balls too make them
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winky, you seem to be missing james macdonald from the Canadian list
as for the others, i respect jody but most nights he is god awful and a non factor but when money on the line or its his dads horse it go time
filion consistent
roy improving this year, has talent
mcnair, is good but should likely be better
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For my money in canada:
Mcdonald (guess which one ngc3)
Fillion - notice last night. Always shows up on grassroots and gold finals. Getting old but still very good.
McNair
Roy, i find to put it nice, a little quirky. Seems to have some some odd drives and a lot of trotters break. Wasnt he allards find?
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Roy is from a racing family in Quebec. He went to college and got a job. Started messing around with horses on weekends caught the bug. Started to dominate in Quebec then went to PEI Old Home Week win a ton of races there. Moreau noticed ask him if he wanted to try Ontario. He did and the rest is history.
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I really dont get the whole Dexter Dunn fascination. Now let me clarify one thing. I was away mentally and physically from the sport during the whole Covid fucking disaster, so i must admit, other than watching Bulldog replays, this is the first full year, i have seen DD drive consistently ( maybe not a fair sampling. I know he made a big splash upon arrival, after some dubious circumstances at home). From what i have seen and I do respect his earnings, he sits a bike well, has "speed" in his hands but i am not seeing anything special or extraordinary. maybe it's me. He has, this year anyway, won very few significant races, has made many mistakes in significant races, is really nor very good on a small track, mistimed his move with Seven Colors in the Jug and has had some dreadful days on important days. He and Yannick are the worst 2 "overdrivers" among the top 10, IMHO. And as you know, I often defend Yannick, mostly because he is a supreme earner. As a trainer who relied on catch drivers, I assess with complete objectivity Dexter is a solid driver who can earn with a top horse, but as a horseman, I personally would not let him near a top colt of mine. The big upside driver i see next 5 years is Todd McCarthy.
I tend to disagree with this. I lost a lot of respect for Yannick over the past couple seasons; he can be pretty rough on a horse. Also the drive he put on the 2yo of Burkes that dropped dead at the Meadowlands this summer was a rather poor display of horsemanship IMO. DD at least seems to actually like horses.
I know drivers routinely catch flak on here for not driving hard on horses but I'd rather see someone like DD - who I have never seen be rough on a horse - than Yannick up on one of mine. And would place several others above him too.
Disclaimer - did not see the race in question (Ants Marching), but seems very atypical from what I'd expect from DD.
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I tend to disagree with this. I lost a lot of respect for Yannick over the past couple seasons; he can be pretty rough on a horse. Also the drive he put on the 2yo of Burkes that dropped dead at the Meadowlands this summer was a rather poor display of horsemanship IMO. DD at least seems to actually like horses.
I know drivers routinely catch flak on here for not driving hard on horses but I'd rather see someone like DD - who I have never seen be rough on a horse - than Yannick up on one of mine. And would place several others above him too.
Disclaimer - did not see the race in question (Ants Marching), but seems very atypical from what I'd expect from DD.
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I gotta agree here I would rather have Dex that Yakyak any day
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I tend to disagree with this. I lost a lot of respect for Yannick over the past couple seasons; he can be pretty rough on a horse. Also the drive he put on the 2yo of Burkes that dropped dead at the Meadowlands this summer was a rather poor display of horsemanship IMO. DD at least seems to actually like horses.
I know drivers routinely catch flak on here for not driving hard on horses but I'd rather see someone like DD - who I have never seen be rough on a horse - than Yannick up on one of mine. And would place several others above him too.
Disclaimer - did not see the race in question (Ants Marching), but seems very atypical from what I'd expect from DD.
I endorse this response! tmbz1
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Not quite sure what all my friends are disagreeing with ? I do defend Yannick based on hie earning ability, but I clearly say he overdrives his horses. I am not a big fan of his "style" . To me there are 3 drivers Tetrick, Dave Miller and Scotty. Then there is everyone else. Sears has dropped a tick and Brennan seems to be ending his career at YR. Dave Miller in some ways is our new John Campbell., if you get my drift....
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Not quite sure what all my friends are disagreeing with ? I do defend Yannick based on hie earning ability, but I clearly say he overdrives his horses. I am not a big fan of his "style" . To me there are 3 drivers Tetrick, Dave Miller and Scotty. Then there is everyone else. Sears has dropped a tick and Brennan seems to be ending his career at YR. Dave Miller in some ways is our new John Campbell., if you get my drift....
For me, the disagreement was in calling Dunn an overdriver. I think he is the opposite from what I have seen.
Totally agree re: Tetrick, Dave, Scotty. Sears also does well just doesn't really get the top ones and/or drive as much it seems anymore.
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For me, the disagreement was in calling Dunn an overdriver. I think he is the opposite from what I have seen.
Totally agree re: Tetrick, Dave, Scotty. Sears also does well just doesn't really get the top ones and/or drive as much it seems anymore.
I think i get what you ,mean about Dunn underdriving. I think you mean sometimes he swings to the unagressive side and almost hangs back a bit in spots where he should be more forwardly placed. is this what you are saying because I do see him do this.
Flip side, I have seen him this year yank dead horses to the outside, come real early on a first over run and "bring the whole kitchen sink" and he does at times go down the road on impossible missions the way Yannick does. Maybe it's me but his whole timing seems just a bit off this, like an MLB player at the plate fouling a lot of balls off. Still,he is earning at a good clip. Has to get that UDRS over .310 at least That's where I was coming from. I appreciate the intelligent discourse.
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I think i get what you ,mean about Dunn underdriving. I think you mean sometimes he swings to the unagressive side and almost hangs back a bit in spots where he should be more forwardly placed. is this what you are saying because I do see him do this.
Flip side, I have seen him this year yank dead horses to the outside, come real early on a first over run and "bring the whole kitchen sink" and he does at times go down the road on impossible missions the way Yannick does. Maybe it's me but his whole timing seems just a bit off this, like an MLB player at the plate fouling a lot of balls off. Still,he is earning at a good clip. Has to get that UDRS over .310 at least That's where I was coming from. I appreciate the intelligent discourse.
I am not saying it doesn't happen but I just really haven't seen Dex eviscerate a horse the way YG can and does (not all the time, but it definitely happens). He just seems a kinder driver. I admire James Mac @ Mohawk for the same reason - he is very kind to his drives and actually to his (and the bettors) detriment at times because he gets them buried. But he isn't going to burn one out, and as an owner with a small group of horses without unlimited pockets to replace them, I can appreciate that in a driver. YG, driving for the likes of Burkes where every one in every class has a replacement waiting in the wings, doesn't seem to matter if you bottom them out every week or cripple them.
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I hear ya. Just like Walter at YR and RR. Put down on 3 per race every race, so WTF just blast, kick and sidearm everything. there's always another.
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I hear ya. Just like Walter at YR and RR. Put down on 3 per race every race, so WTF just blast, kick and sidearm everything. there's always another.
Yep and if that 1 doesn’t ever race again you got 2 more to choose from next week. Personally I did very well with middle of the road drivers always had a horse to race next week. But if ever in a big money race. I wouldn’t worry about next week tell after
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Yep and if that 1 doesn’t ever race again you got 2 more to choose from next week. Personally I did very well with middle of the road drivers always had a horse to race next week. But if ever in a big money race. I wouldn’t worry about next week tell after
Totally agree - you gotta get what you can out of a horse for sure, especially when you have the big $$ on the line, but I hate seeing a horse do all they can and someone whaling on them. Some of these guys are not really horseman, IMO. Churn and burn.
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The last horse i claimed I got shit constantly for using a mid level driver. He got me $40k a year for 5 years. BTW I claimed him for $7500
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The last horse i claimed I got shit constantly for using a mid level driver. He got me $40k a year for 5 years. BTW I claimed him for $7500
Those are the kind you want, though. Pay the bills, have a little fun. Yeah, everyone would love a world champ but they're few and far between and you better have some deep pockets.
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Those are the kind you want, though. Pay the bills, have a little fun. Yeah, everyone would love a world champ but they're few and far between and you better have some deep pockets.
Yep. I figured he fed me last 4 years of my full time training. So now I feed him and the wife rides him from time to time. Part of the family now. But if not for my lesser driver he would have been sold or claimed long ago. Your choice if you want a hot shot driver. I go with the steady guys
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And I always knew I would have the same driver every week. Don’t get me wrong in the right situation I would of loved to have Timmy drive him and get a new lifetime mark but couldn’t ever get it to work
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Yep. I figured he fed me last 4 years of my full time training. So now I feed him and the wife rides him from time to time. Part of the family now. But if not for my lesser driver he would have been sold or claimed long ago. Your choice if you want a hot shot driver. I go with the steady guys
Love to hear that - good on you for keeping him around.
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total agreement. Nice to hear real horseman talk. My regular drivers were Luc, Herve, Rejean & Jimmy Marohn. I had interest in horses that Carmine and Buddy trained, so no choice there.
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And dont get me wrong...
I think Dex Dunn one of the best currently in US..
US Top ... not necessarily in order
Dex Dunn
Brian Sears/ David Miller
Tetrick/Gingras
Mcarthies
Canada
Jody Jamieson
McNair
Sylvain Filion
Roy
again mix and match the order as to taste..
Just saying Dunn ...crazy drive...and everyone entitled to
a screw up...
Just the other day ..got up early and brushed with wrong toothpaste..
I thought it tasted a bit odd..
when I was done I saw marked on the tube.....
"Preparation H"
I guess that was worse than a 53:2 1/2 and a 1:20 flat 3/4?
How do you leave off Scotty Z
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For my money in canada:
Mcdonald (guess which one ngc3)
Fillion - notice last night. Always shows up on grassroots and gold finals. Getting old but still very good.
McNair
Roy, i find to put it nice, a little quirky. Seems to have some some odd drives and a lot of trotters break. Wasnt he allards find?
Roy investing in certain trainers Stables makes him.a hard play when he's driving against those barns or if he's in a claiming race . There's always that thought he could be scouting one out for himself and his partners.