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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on September 30, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
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Tactical speed, a nice early brush, pulls the plugs ccccruising - last quarter 25.2 and wrapped up kast 1/16th. Awesome!
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If and When they hook up, Tetrick won't let It's My Show slip away like NAC..It's My Show better play for 2nd money or might not hit the board , depending on field and posts.
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If and When they hook up, Tetrick won't let It's My Show slip away like NAC..It's My Show better play for 2nd money or might not hit the board , depending on field and posts.
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It's My Show has next to zero chance. Only bad luck stops Confederate IMO
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Still has done nothing to PROVE he should be mentioned with the great ones. Notice he is skipping next week when there might be some competition. He is being managed not to lose rather than be a winner. Its My Show may not be the better horse and probably isn't but he has the better body of work by racing much better competition.
Who, other than Confederate, has IMS beaten, that Confederate hasn't faced at least once? There must be a horse I am unaware of?
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The Jug was a stronger field, he went heats on a half. He has beat Confederate and Confederate has not beaten him, and he has won TWO million dollar races. Confederate's body of work does not put him in the some conversation as horses like SBSW, TDS, Captaintreacherou s, etc.
If he gets an invite to the TVG, will he go?
You simply repeated what I said. I will ask you again to back up your allegation. Who exactly has IMS beaten or raced, That Confederate has not? Yes, IMS defeated Confederate by a head once. IMS last quarter 27 - Confederate last quarter 26 in that race. Timmy said today again 4 months later he fucked up, so it obviously gnaws at him. That aside if they vote today Confederate gets season honors. They will meet once more likely in the BC. Wanna see what IMS has for an answer when Confederate turns the jets on last 3/8ths. Wrapped up chugging home in 25.2 and you act like he isn't a major horse. Did you hear Heyden's comments post race?
TVG race - how should I know if they accept? Do you?
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If the 2 of them meet in the Breeder's Crown Confederate should beat him. Confederate could win the TVG most likely in November if they want to extend his career 1 month.
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If the 2 of them meet in the Breeder's Crown Confederate should beat him. Confederate could win the TVG most likely in November if they want to extend his career 1 month.
Heyden hinted at a post BC race and Timmy natch said something like "we'll see".
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Confederate is no Bret Hanover, no Most Happy Fella, no Niatross, no Nihilator, no SBSW, no Captain Treacherous. Hell, he isn't even a No Pan Intended or The Panderosa.
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I would say it's a pretty mediocre crop of 3 yr olds...Possibly makes him look better than he might be...But he 'IS' clearly the best 'THIS' year.
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Not that it matters but Confederates career record against IMS is 3 to 1. He beat him all three times they met last year before IMS lost his nuts and gained some guts. And I'm still of the opinion that IMS did not "beat" him in the NA, Confederate just started up too late as Tetrick admits. His much faster last quarter and him going past IMS just after the wire proves it IMO
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Not that it matters but Confederates career record against IMS is 3 to 1. He beat him all three times they met last year before IMS lost his nuts and gained some guts. And I'm still of the opinion that IMS did not "beat" him in the NA, Confederate just started up too late as Tetrick admits. His much faster last quarter and him going past IMS just after the wire proves it IMO
Ball on accurate. I don't even bring up last year because they don't because they cant.
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Confederate is no Bret Hanover, no Most Happy Fella, no Niatross, no Nihilator, no SBSW, no Captain Treacherous. Hell, he isn't even a No Pan Intended or The Panderosa.
The comparisons that span half a century are ridiculous. You just can't make those. I could say that Bret or Most Happy Fella or Niatross were no Dan Patch. But it would be ridiculous. You just can't make valid assesments across that span.
Sorry not every year can be a 1993 where there were 5 or 6 potential HOY talents racing every week.
Not sure if you were there live and in person. I sure was and some contact to his people. Who Did Niatross beat. Very week crew that year. It happens. Niatross was a legendary pacer, generational. Fact is he caught a weak crew and overcame his connections. But it doesn't matter.
SBSW - fast, ultra tough. Really raced nothing special over long sections of his campaign.
Bottom line - when Confederate is comfortable, in hand and wrapped up in last halfs in 53 and change and last quarters sub 26, he could pace with anything that ever wore a harness in the modern era.
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tuf group of critics here...
Confederate looks pretty good to me..
what do you guys want....
if he won the Kentucky Derby would that help?
He's no Bret Hanover..he's no SBSW....
true....he is Confederate...lot s of wins.....
why knock a good horse...
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Linda Trashcano has legions of fans. Lot of Pelling haters too. Apparently, my sources have told, me IMS dopey owner goes on Facebook ( I dont do the FB thing ) saying his horse is better than Confederate. In his dreams of dreams.
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The comparisons that span half a century are ridiculous. You just can't make those. I could say that Bret or Most Happy Fella or Niatross were no Dan Patch. But it would be ridiculous. You just can't make valid assesments across that span.
Sorry not every year can be a 1993 where there were 5 or 6 potential HOY talents racing every week.
Not sure if you were there live and in person. I sure was and some contact to his people. Who Did Niatross beat. Very week crew that year. It happens. Niatross was a legendary pacer, generational. Fact is he caught a weak crew and overcame his connections. But it doesn't matter.
SBSW - fast, ultra tough. Really raced nothing special over long sections of his campaign.
Bottom line - when Confederate is comfortable, in hand and wrapped up in last halfs in 53 and change and last quarters sub 26, he could pace with anything that ever wore a harness in the modern era.
I was just naming better 3 year olds than Confederate. Dan Patch didn't race until he was 4.
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For anyone that wasn't alive or followed harness racing in 1980, Niatross time trialing in 1:49.1 was so unreal that it would be similar to a horse pacing in 1:42 today. Niatross was so far ahead of his time.
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I missed the race. Did Pelling say they are skipping the Tattersalls?
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The comparisons that span half a century are ridiculous. You just can't make those. I could say that Bret or Most Happy Fella or Niatross were no Dan Patch. But it would be ridiculous. You just can't make valid assesments across that span.
Sorry not every year can be a 1993 where there were 5 or 6 potential HOY talents racing every week.
Not sure if you were there live and in person. I sure was and some contact to his people. Who Did Niatross beat. Very week crew that year. It happens. Niatross was a legendary pacer, generational. Fact is he caught a weak crew and overcame his connections. But it doesn't matter.
SBSW - fast, ultra tough. Really raced nothing special over long sections of his campaign.
Bottom line - when Confederate is comfortable, in hand and wrapped up in last halfs in 53 and change and last quarters sub 26, he could pace with anything that ever wore a harness in the modern era.
SBSW had 4 others in his crop that made over 1 million. I wouldn’t say he raced. Nobody
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SBSW had 4 others in his crop that made over 1 million. I wouldn’t say he raced. Nobody
There were several more than that who made $1 million from that crop.
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There were several more than that who made $1 million from that crop.
I was only talking about 2-3yr old year and being conservative. In my opinion that was one of the best crops of 3yr olds I have seen
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If the 2 of them meet in the Breeder's Crown Confederate should beat him. Confederate could win the TVG most likely in November if they want to extend his career 1 month.
You can get this tattoo on your ass , Confederate will not race against the older FFA in the TVG, he’s no Niatross and would get absolutely shredded by them.
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I would say it's a pretty mediocre crop of 3 yr olds...Possibly makes him look better than he might be...But he 'IS' clearly the best 'THIS' year.
How is this a mediocre crop of 3 yr olds? Seven Colors WR on a half. IMS WR for a gelding on 5/8. IMS WR for a gelding mile track. Confederate WR mile track. Ken Hanover fastest Jug ever. But I do agree Confederate is clearly the best, which considering everything makes him one of the greatest 3 yr. old pacers ever.
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interesting view points
but one thing is 100% confirmed
ims did beat confederate in the na cup
the trophy says so
the check says so
we can all make excuses for horses in races, boxed, slow half, poor cover etc
just go with who actually won , its much easier
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interesting view points
but one thing is 100% confirmed
ims did beat confederate in the na cup
the trophy says so
the check says so
we can all make excuses for horses in races, boxed, slow half, poor cover etc
just go with who actually won , its much easier
Yeah but none of that matters, Confederates the GOAT . Even if he should happen to get beat in the BC & if AB goes insane and puts him the TVG and he gets a Tattoo , like BTM did he’s still the greatest. Those million dollar wins don’t count!
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Since when is every top 3 year old of the year considered one of the greatest? Confederate set a world record against nobody so does that make him one of the greatest? Nowadays everybody should know that time is not the biggest factor in making a horse great.
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easy rabbit on the goat talk
he is the best 3 yr old in 2023 , agreed
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Since when is every top 3 year old of the year considered one of the greatest? Confederate set a world record against nobody so does that make him one of the greatest? Nowadays everybody should know that time is not the biggest factor in making a horse great.
Very true. Time only counts when you're under water.
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Very true. Time only counts when you're under water.
He's been under wraps the last six starts.
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He's been under wraps the last six starts.
I never said he wasn't a good horse but calling him one of the best ever is ridiculous.
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I never said he wasn't a good horse but calling him one of the best ever is ridiculous.
It is a matter of opinion. I've seen his last three races in person. I started rubbing horses in '73. I opened the Lexington yearling catalog today and I raced against some of these yearlings' 4th. dams. I even found two I trained. For the owner, Confederate is a once in a lifetime horse. For the rest of us, I truly believe he's one of the best 3 yr. olds ever. He's got that extra gear that few horses have, and he does it all with ease.
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It is a matter of opinion. I've seen his last three races in person. I started rubbing horses in '73. I opened the Lexington yearling catalog today and I raced against some of these yearlings' 4th. dams. I even found two I trained. For the owner, Confederate is a once in a lifetime horse. For the rest of us, I truly believe he's one of the best 3 yr. olds ever. He's got that extra gear that few horses have, and he does it all with ease.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't see it. Also, I know Brett Pelling and he is a A1 douchebag so maybe my opinion is biased.
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You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't see it. Also, I know Brett Pelling and he is a A1 douchebag so maybe my opinion is biased.
Fair enough. I'm just basing it on what I see in the horse. I realize Pelling is not a fan favorite. I was racing in Ca. when he came over with his father.
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seems many on this forum are just here to knock the sport...
and the powers that be.
Confederate not managed well....?
he is still racing super and made $2 mill or close...
Gural just wishes to make a profit.....Ya think?
without Jeff NO MEADOWLANDS...get it?
Maybe some of these guys should show us how its done...
Put up your $10-20 Million and get your colors on and start training
and driving.
instead of griping about how lousy the Sport is..
so what are you doing to help?
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Fair enough. I'm just basing it on what I see in the horse. I realize Pelling is not a fan favorite. I was racing in Ca. when he came over with his father.
Brian was the ringleader. Ended up getting a lifetime ban. His asshole son used to walk around the paddock at The Meadowlands saying that he would be winning twice as many races if he didn't have so many lazy Americans working for him. Fuck him.
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Brian was the ringleader. Ended up getting a lifetime ban. His asshole son used to walk around the paddock at The Meadowlands saying that he would be winning twice as many races if he didn't have so many lazy Americans working for him. Fuck him.
I get it.
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easy rabbit on the goat talk
he is the best 3 yr old in 2023 , agreed
I was being sarcastic,
Fuggs keeps pumping this well manage horse who dodges some dances & dismiss his loss in a full competitive field going for a million as nothing,
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The comparisons that span half a century are ridiculous. You just can't make those. I could say that Bret or Most Happy Fella or Niatross were no Dan Patch. But it would be ridiculous. You just can't make valid assesments across that span.
Sorry not every year can be a 1993 where there were 5 or 6 potential HOY talents racing every week.
Not sure if you were there live and in person. I sure was and some contact to his people. Who Did Niatross beat. Very week crew that year. It happens. Niatross was a legendary pacer, generational. Fact is he caught a weak crew and overcame his connections. But it doesn't matter.
SBSW - fast, ultra tough. Really raced nothing special over long sections of his campaign.
Bottom line - when Confederate is comfortable, in hand and wrapped up in last halfs in 53 and change and last quarters sub 26, he could pace with anything that ever wore a harness in the modern era.
100 percent Agree with this
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I get it.
I claimed a horse off of him for 25K at The Meadowlands. I put him in a 30K the next week and won. The next day, I noticed the left front tendon was a little filled and when I jogged him the following day, he was a little off. I worked on it the best I could and dropped of a win in 30k into a 25K. I finished 4th and Brett claimed him back. When I saw Brett in the paddock, I told him to be careful with that tendon and he just looked at me and said he didn't need my help. Under my breath, I said fuck you and walked away. The next week he put the horse in a 40K. I guess he wanted to embarrass me. The horse raced great finishing third and NEVER RACED AGAIN, as the tendon let go. I saw Brett in the paddock a few weeks later and said hello and he just walked right by me like I was invisible. Once again..FUCK HIM.
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Sylvia Hanover paced home in 25 n change wrapped up as well, with the 2nd best filly in NA on her back. They’re spotting Confederate to avoid any show down s or defeats. That way if he gets beat at the end of the season will get some BS excuse why. Conversation should be that Sylvia Hanover might be one of the great s 3 yr F of all time.She ain’t dodging anybody. For a tighter they raced her against Open mares and if Bob M would have been little aggressive sooner I think she would have won. Don’t see them doing that with Confedatross Hanover
Walner Payton trotterd home 25 n change wrapped up. There was another trotter and few other winners that got home 25 n change. So a lot of last 1/4 in 25 n change today. Confederate didn’t against a mild group. The horse chasing paced home 25 n change too
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After just watching Tattoo Artists. If they go absolutely insane and race Confedatross Hanover in the TVG FFA I stand corrected, I said in and earlier post he would get shredded, I retract that, he would get castrated by that group and his stud career out the window!
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I claimed a horse off of him for 25K at The Meadowlands. I put him in a 30K the next week and won. The next day, I noticed the left front tendon was a little filled and when I jogged him the following day, he was a little off. I worked on it the best I could and dropped of a win in 30k into a 25K. I finished 4th and Brett claimed him back. When I saw Brett in the paddock, I told him to be careful with that tendon and he just looked at me and said he didn't need my help. Under my breath, I said fuck you and walked away. The next week he put the horse in a 40K. I guess he wanted to embarrass me. The horse raced great finishing third and NEVER RACED AGAIN, as the tendon let go. I saw Brett in the paddock a few weeks later and said hello and he just walked right by me like I was invisible. Once again..FUCK HIM.
I've heard similar accounts with Pelling. I've never had dealings with him so I can't speak from personal experience. I must say it was big of you to mention the tendon to him -- his loss. I would have appreciated the gesture.
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No other three years old in history has gone as fast as he has he is the best three year old this year after yesterday and after next week he will shine again.
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A couple responses to my friends / foes......
To Mike Campbell - your aggressive rambling tone does not sound like that of a horseman.If you truly are so be it Your story about Brett Pelling, who btw is the greatest trainer of pacers I have ever lived to see, is either untrue or irrelevant. Compared to Brett, I was a nobody, but I played the claiming game pretty heavy and If you or I were in a claiming war, I would not want you coming up to me either to tell me something about the same horse, unless you were Stanley Dancer. If you haven't seen Confederate's rare gift of multiple electric gears last 3/16ths, then you are very biased or, I am sorry, don't really know what you are looking at. The horse has to be gifted exceptionally to rattle off last halfs sub 54 and last quarters sub 26 with virtual ease and open up daylight quickly. When he looks horses in the eye, they melt. Btw, your tone reminds me of Sen. Blutarsky.
To Brown jug - I respect your opinion and like what you post, but the flaw in saying that things like being boxed, shuffled, blind switched, in a bad flow etc, don't matter when assessing a horse's defeat are excuses, is that, as you know very well, in harness racing the best horse so often can get beat for just those reasons. These are not excuses, they are important factors. That's why they are printed in the program for our horses, unlike T-breds. In mamny ways, I believe Confederates DEFEAT in the NA Cup was one of his best performances. He tried to chase down a very good rival from a nearly impossible spot and paced tyhe last quarter a FULL SECOND FASTER than the winner. That almost never happens, We are not talking about 30 years ago and some horse pacing 29 vs a horse on the lead slowing down to 30. This was 26 Confederate vs 27 IMS. Nothing wrong with that defeat and since then he is unbeaten as you know.
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I was being sarcastic,
Fuggs keeps pumping this well manage horse who dodges some dances & dismiss his loss in a full competitive field going for a million as nothing,
You like to fight and lie. You are very tedious. Reprint where I dismissed his loss as "nothing". I have twisted myself in knots explaining it, not excusing it. In fact, I admire it. it is a fantastic performance. i know I am weird. Take SBSW, in many ways I feel his Meadowlands pace defeat was as great a performance as i have seen him put down. Same way i feel about Confederate in the NA Cup. Harness racing, my friends and we all know there are many reasons why the best horse does not win every time. that's what makes the game so special to me. I get the impression the loss bothers Timmy more than the owners or Brett. maybe he knows just how special the horse is ( yesterday post race interview ). Timmy "I have driven many great horses but this one is special". That's all.
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At the end of Bret Hanover's career Frank Ervin shipped to California
and finished 3rd...
These are living things, whether humans or animals...not machines.
Novak Djokovic , arguably the greatest tennis player of all times
lost to a 19 year old upstart this year at Wimbledon in the finals.
Confederate raced off the pace in that NA and as we know
that presents problems as the leader usually gets a jump
and the horse is at the mercy of the pace.
As far as Confed goes....If I am a businessman heres the
math on the Breeding end...I am guessing on the stud Fee
but lets call it $10k?
150 Annual Breedings x $10k $1.5 Million Gross
10 years x $1.5 Million if all goes OK $15,000,000
Now , we do know if the first crop hits..the fees go up..
and subsequently vice versa....
We cannot forecast the future..
So far $1.558 Million earnings to date
(7) starts as a 2 yr old
(10) starts as a 3 year old
Now that...is how to race a horse..
When I see these jokers start a 2 year old more than 9 starts
I cringe.
They managed this horse very well.
The public would like to see 20 starts as a 2 year old...
and then race every possible race as a 3 year old ...
There are KEY "GRADE 1" races @ 2 are .....#1
THE METRO
#2 The Breeders Crown
The Key races for 3 year olds are #1
#1 THE NORTH AMERICA CUP "Grade 1"
#2 Meadowlands Pace "Grade 1"
#3 The Breeders Crown "Grade 1"
# 4 The Jug Grade 2
Direct all nasty remarks and complaints to our secretary:
Helen Hunt
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At the end of Bret Hanover's career Frank Ervin shipped to California
and finished 3rd...
These are living things, whether humans or animals...not machines.
Novak Djokovic , arguably the greatest tennis player of all times
lost to a 19 year old upstart this year at Wimbledon in the finals.
Confederate raced off the pace in that NA and as we know
that presents problems as the leader usually gets a jump
and the horse is at the mercy of the pace.
As far as Confed goes....If I am a businessman heres the
math on the Breeding end...I am guessing on the stud Fee
but lets call it $10k?
150 Annual Breedings x $10k $1.5 Million Gross
10 years x $1.5 Million if all goes OK $15,000,000
Now , we do know if the first crop hits..the fees go up..
and subsequently vice versa....
We cannot forecast the future..
So far $1.558 Million earnings to date
(7) starts as a 2 yr old
(10) starts as a 3 year old
Now that...is how to race a horse..
When I see these jokers start a 2 year old more than 9 starts
I cringe.
They managed this horse very well.
The public would like to see 20 starts as a 2 year old...
and then race every possible race as a 3 year old ...
There are KEY "GRADE 1" races @ 2 are .....#1
THE METRO
#2 The Breeders Crown
The Key races for 3 year olds are #1
#1 THE NORTH AMERICA CUP "Grade 1"
#2 Meadowlands Pace "Grade 1"
#3 The Breeders Crown "Grade 1"
# 4 The Jug Grade 2
Direct all nasty remarks and complaints to our secretary:
Helen Hunt
Well said but you are way low on stud fee. It will be 25-30k first year
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I am in your ballpark Stan. I believe he will generate around 40 - 50 million for Diamoncreek during his breeding career and i have a gut feeling he will be very solid as a sire. Pelling, notwithstanding, I believe the horse is "clean".
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A couple responses to my friends / foes......
To Mike Campbell - your aggressive rambling tone does not sound like that of a horseman.If you truly are so be it Your story about Brett Pelling, who btw is the greatest trainer of pacers I have ever lived to see, is either untrue or irrelevant. Compared to Brett, I was a nobody, but I played the claiming game pretty heavy and If you or I were in a claiming war, I would not want you coming up to me either to tell me something about the same horse, unless you were Stanley Dancer. If you haven't seen Confederate's rare gift of multiple electric gears last 3/16ths, then
you are very biased or, I am sorry, don't really know what you are looking at. The horse has to be gifted exceptionally to rattle off last halfs sub 54 and last quarters sub 26 with virtual ease and open up daylight quickly. When he looks horses in the eye, they melt. Btw, your tone reminds me of Sen. Blutarsky.
Firstly, you're correct about one thing, you're a nobody. Secondly, I also claimed off of Ray Remmen and Jim Doherty and BOTH came up to me and told me if I had any questions about the horses I just claimed to just ask. Cream always rises to the top. You're nothing but coffee grinds.
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That kind of vitriole does not deserve a response. but Yes, Ray Remmen was a complete horseman and a gentleman. Jimmy Doherty, i have mixed reviews. Nothing further worth responding too. I am glad for you that you were a top horseman and I am a nobody, but I stand by my incredulity if you can say, as a horseman, you look at Confederate and "don't see it". Kinda ironic you call me Coffee Grinds. my first employer and mentor was the man listed as trainer for George Sholty when they raced Coffee Break.
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A couple responses to my friends / foes......
To Mike Campbell - your aggressive rambling tone does not sound like that of a horseman.If you truly are so be it Your story about Brett Pelling, who btw is the greatest trainer of pacers I have ever lived to see, is either untrue or irrelevant. Compared to Brett, I was a nobody, but I played the claiming game pretty heavy and If you or I were in a claiming war, I would not want you coming up to me either to tell me something about the same horse, unless you were Stanley Dancer. If you haven't seen Confederate's rare gift of multiple electric gears last 3/16ths, then you are very biased or, I am sorry, don't really know what you are looking at. The horse has to be gifted exceptionally to rattle off last halfs sub 54 and last quarters sub 26 with virtual ease and open up daylight quickly. When he looks horses in the eye, they melt. Btw, your tone reminds me of Sen. Blutarsky.
To Brown jug - I respect your opinion and like what you post, but the flaw in saying that things like being boxed, shuffled, blind switched, in a bad flow etc, don't matter when assessing a horse's defeat are excuses, is that, as you know very well, in harness racing the best horse so often can get beat for just those reasons. These are not excuses, they are important factors. That's why they are printed in the program for our horses, unlike T-breds. In mamny ways, I believe Confederates DEFEAT in the NA Cup was one of his best performances. He tried to chase down a very good rival from a nearly impossible spot and paced tyhe last quarter a FULL SECOND FASTER than the winner. That almost never happens, We are not talking about 30 years ago and some horse pacing 29 vs a horse on the lead slowing down to 30. This was 26 Confederate vs 27 IMS. Nothing wrong with that defeat and since then he is unbeaten as you know.
Fug --
Obviously I agree with you in regard to Confederate -- he's one of a kind. As far as Mike Campbell -- no idea if he's legit. I was also in the claiming game, perhaps not as heavy as you. I claimed a mare I thought I could improve 2 seconds. Guy had a six horse barn and a 5% win percentage. I claimed her off two second place finishes. The night I claimed her for $5,000 she finished second again. I made a couple of slight changes Murphy blind, minnie bit, etc. Raced her -- she finished last. Dropped her in again -- now it's 2 weeks after my claim -- I'm in the paddock, guy I claimed her off of walks over to me and says "can I look at her feet?" I was a little hesitant but I said "sure" -- he picks up her feet, turns to me and says -- her heels start to contract between races -- I always put a mushroom shoe on her -- and switch to a full swedge just for the race. I thanked him. She finished last again. Sure enough ever so slightly I could see where her heels were contracting. Day after the race I put a pair of mushroom shoes on her -- then switched to a full swedge a week later to race. She won three in a row for me before she got claimed. Me and the guy became good friends. I always say -- Money before Ego.
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That kind of vitriole does not deserve a response. but Yes, Ray Remmen was a complete horseman and a gentleman. Jimmy Doherty, i have mixed reviews. Nothing further worth responding too. I am glad for you that you were a top horseman and I am a nobody, but I stand by my incredulity if you can say, as a horseman, you look at Confederate and "don't see it". Kinda ironic you call me Coffee Grinds. my first employer and mentor was the man listed as trainer for George Sholty when they raced Coffee Break.
You are apparently not a horse lover. You see, when a horse lover has a horse claimed or sells one, his love for the horse outweighs the ego you possess. I currently have a horse that is allergic to soy. She will break out in hives in 20 minutes after eating. I certainly would tell the next owner/trainer about this. Apparently, you wouldn't which doesn't surprise me. I have another horse who gets the thumps if he eats too much alfalfa. Once again, I would make sure the new trainer knows about this. You on the other hand would rather see the horse suffer.
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I am in your ballpark Stan. I believe he will generate around 40 - 50 million for Diamoncreek during his breeding career and i have a gut feeling he will be very solid as a sire. Pelling, notwithstanding, I believe the horse is "clean".
Hold on you go on here and condemn BP but say Confedatross raced clean . Where do you get his stud fee , no shot they get 25 for him or that he make 50 million as a stud , honestly where do you come up with this .
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Fug --
Obviously I agree with you in regard to Confederate -- he's one of a kind. As far as Mike Campbell -- no idea if he's legit. I was also in the claiming game, perhaps not as heavy as you. I claimed a mare I thought I could improve 2 seconds. Guy had a six horse barn and a 5% win percentage. I claimed her off two second place finishes. The night I claimed her for $5,000 she finished second again. I made a couple of slight changes Murphy blind, minnie bit, etc. Raced her -- she finished last. Dropped her in again -- now it's 2 weeks after my claim -- I'm in the paddock, guy I claimed her off of walks over to me and says "can I look at her feet?" I was a little hesitant but I said "sure" -- he picks up her feet, turns to me and says -- her heels start to contract between races -- I always put a mushroom shoe on her -- and switch to a full swedge just for the race. I thanked him. She finished last again. Sure enough ever so slightly I could see where her heels were contracting. Day after the race I put a pair of mushroom shoes on her -- then switched to a full swedge a week later to race. She won three in a row for me before she got claimed. Me and the guy became good friends. I always say -- Money before Ego.
Good story and that kind of cooperation goes happen frequently. I have been warned twice not to claim horses ny fellow trainers "because they could not live at the track" Dan Wilsey once helped me with a "bad claim" I made from a Saratoga trainer after he lost the drive since I claimed him. Was just trying to say i dont expect that persona from a Brett Pelling
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Hold on you go on here and condemn BP but say Confedatross raced clean . Where do you get his stud fee , no shot they get 25 for him or that he make 50 million as a stud , honestly where do you come up with this .
You are correct. I have condemned Prett Pelling on here, BUT I was talking about the Brett Pelling of old, before he was deported. As far as his personality and ego. That most likely has not changed. But, I have some sources in the game still and from my observation, I do believe upon return and being allowed to race, his horses are "essentially clean" now. of, course I may be wrong.
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Hold on you go on here and condemn BP but say Confedatross raced clean . Where do you get his stud fee , no shot they get 25 for him or that he make 50 million as a stud , honestly where do you come up with this .
3.75 million a year for 12 - 15 productive years - $50 M neighborhood
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(https://www.ustrotting.com/home_image.cfm?id=13422)
“I’m getting chills driving him. He’s awesome,” Tetrick said. "I just kind of played it by feel and we got it done. He’s done everything right, and everybody says, ‘He can’t go on the lead,’ but he can go on the lead. I just like him chasing better.”.......chasing is a formula for losing Timmy! Go break the word record with him before retirement!
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Pelling came back in the game with something new and indictable. Once a crook always a crook. If it looks like a skunk smells like a skunk it's a skunk.
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Pelling came back in the game with something new and indictable. Once a crook always a crook. If it looks like a skunk smells like a skunk it's a skunk.
I’m guessing he is only using it on a few horses. He has a lot of average horses and a few top ones
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Pelling came back in the game with something new and indictable. Once a crook always a crook. If it looks like a skunk smells like a skunk it's a skunk.
May be right. Hope not. His old man was a skunk. Brian pelling in the 80 pre - internet, would fax me and other trainers programs and results of his claimers racing in Illionois. He would circle his horse, as if we couldn't read his name and put a price like "22k cash/sound and game horse". kinda like a used car sign, hand written at the top of the program.... Only problem, if you looked at the program, the horse was racing in 15 claimers. Talk about an arrogant A - hole.
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I’m guessing he is only using it on a few horses. He has a lot of average horses and a few top ones
Top 3 year old and top aged pacer is a pretty good year! Does anyone know if has any good two year olds or horses coming 2 in the pipeline?
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Top 3 year old and top aged pacer is a pretty good year! Does anyone know if has any good two year olds or horses coming 2 in the pipeline?
And another 58 that you can’t name
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BTW. He wasn’t deported. When you get deported you don’t come back in a couple years. He got hit hard financially when the Brooks empire imploded. Was offered a very lucrative deal to be a private trainer for a very wealthy owner down under. Turned out they were even more nuts than Brooks.
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Is Brett Pelling a great trainer or a trainer with great results? Great trainers don't get caught with phamaceutical injectables. Brett did in 1988. Great trainers don't get caught tubling a horse in the receiving barn before a race. Brett did in 1992. Great trainers don't come up positive for morphine. The Panderosa did in 1999. Great trainers have champion pacers and trotters. Haughton did. Dancer did. Burgess did. Burke did. McIntosh did. Hell, Toscano and Schnittker did. Brett hasn't. Maybe these are reasons why he isn't in the HOF.
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BTW. He wasn’t deported. When you get deported you don’t come back in a couple years. He got hit hard financially when the Brooks empire imploded. Was offered a very lucrative deal to be a private trainer for a very wealthy owner down under. Turned out they were even more nuts than Brooks.
He was out of USA for 15 years, not a couple.
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Damn didn’t seem like it was that long. It was actually 10. 2006-2016
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Is Brett Pelling a great trainer or a trainer with great results? Great trainers don't get caught with phamaceutical injectables. Brett did in 1988. Great trainers don't get caught tubling a horse in the receiving barn before a race. Brett did in 1992. Great trainers don't come up positive for morphine. The Panderosa did in 1999. Great trainers have champion pacers and trotters. Haughton did. Dancer did. Burgess did. Burke did. McIntosh did. Hell, Toscano and Schnittker did. Brett hasn't. Maybe these are reasons why he isn't in the HOF.
What reality are you living in!
Linda got a glacine positive. So did Burke, they blamed the shavings but 3 months before that they searched Jake Lemmon at Gaitway and found a injectable bottle of glacine along with a shock machine. That’s documented ny NJC.
Burke also got a High Bicarbonate at The Meadows which he did 15 days for. He also got a narcotic positive on a opioid as well, which he blamed the groom for pissing in the stall. News flash they tested the groom who and he was clean.
All on record with PA RC
Nifty was who got turned in by Norm Parker at the Meadows
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What reality are you living in!
Linda got a glacine positive. So did Burke, they blamed the shavings but 3 months before that they searched Jake Lemmon at Gaitway and found a injectable bottle of glacine along with a shock machine. That’s documented ny NJC.
Burke also got a High Bicarbonate at The Meadows which he did 15 days for. He also got a narcotic positive on a opioid as well, which he blamed the groom for pissing in the stall. News flash they tested the groom who and he was clean.
All on record with PA RC
Nifty was who got turned in by Norm Parker at the Meadows
Keep the facts straight it was Steve Elliot’s barn. Jake worked for him. Search was due to an Oneprazole positive on a horse with Steve listed as trainer
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After just watching Tattoo Artists. If they go absolutely insane and race Confedatross Hanover in the TVG FFA I stand corrected, I said in and earlier post he would get shredded, I retract that, he would get castrated by that group and his stud career out the window!
I could swear I read an article saying they were toying with taking him to the TVG but I predict they'll dodge that too. He is a hell of a nice colt but if he paces past the FFAs this year..I won't say it couldn't happen but I really doubt it.
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Pelling came back in the game with something new and indictable. Once a crook always a crook. If it looks like a skunk smells like a skunk it's a skunk.
Truer words never spoken on here. Leopards don't change their spots.
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I could swear I read an article saying they were toying with taking him to the TVG but I predict they'll dodge that too. He is a hell of a nice colt but if he paces past the FFAs this year..I won't say it couldn't happen but I really doubt it.
There is no benefit to racing in TVG with a 3yr old. If he wins his next 3 starts his stud fee will be set. Go to TVG and risk getting beat there is no upside
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There is no benefit to racing in TVG with a 3yr old. If he wins his next 3 starts his stud fee will be set. Go to TVG and risk getting beat there is no upside
Found the article: https://harnessracingupdate.com/2023/09/20/adam-bowden-confederate-wont-race-next-year/?fbclid=IwAR1YiWQkC95_0CVqb6KoiEQLVbGnFOj88i2ER9JalaWiDKxXbHTHFp8C214
But I agree with you..I don't think they will go. I also would not be surprised if he "gets injured."
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Found the article: https://harnessracingupdate.com/2023/09/20/adam-bowden-confederate-wont-race-next-year/?fbclid=IwAR1YiWQkC95_0CVqb6KoiEQLVbGnFOj88i2ER9JalaWiDKxXbHTHFp8C214
But I agree with you..I don't think they will go. I also would not be surprised if he "gets injured."
I originally thought they might find an excuse to bypass the Gural rule but it only affects races managed by The Big M. So Meadowlands Pace. They not going to be concerned about what is now a mid level race. Gural had good intentions with the rule but nobody else will get on board. It didn’t hurt the value of the Greenshoe yearlings last year so why bother making an excuse for your stud
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Is Brett Pelling a great trainer or a trainer with great results? Great trainers don't get caught with phamaceutical injectables. Brett did in 1988. Great trainers don't get caught tubling a horse in the receiving barn before a race. Brett did in 1992. Great trainers don't come up positive for morphine. The Panderosa did in 1999. Great trainers have champion pacers and trotters. Haughton did. Dancer did. Burgess did. Burke did. McIntosh did. Hell, Toscano and Schnittker did. Brett hasn't. Maybe these are reasons why he isn't in the HOF.
I don’t know what Dancer or Haughton do or didn’t do. But always remember when they were kings. Testing was like looking for a bowling ball in the ocean. Now it is like looking for a bowling ball in a 5 gallon bucket
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And to be fair I don’t think I’ve ever seen Brett train a trotter. He came from down under where there were no trotters. He is a pacing specialist. His program will get the best out of a 3yr old pacer or break them down in the process. As far as his special juice Jimmy Freight was a complete disaster in his program
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What reality are you living in!
Linda got a glacine positive. So did Burke, they blamed the shavings but 3 months before that they searched Jake Lemmon at Gaitway and found a injectable bottle of glacine along with a shock machine. That’s documented ny NJC.
Burke also got a High Bicarbonate at The Meadows which he did 15 days for. He also got a narcotic positive on a opioid as well, which he blamed the groom for pissing in the stall. News flash they tested the groom who and he was clean.
All on record with PA RC
Nifty was who got turned in by Norm Parker at the Meadows
First off, please don't tell me you think Nifty was tubing Ramsey Hanover without instructions from Brett. Ok then knowitall, after all your bullshit, is Brett Pelling a great trainer or a dirty one?
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Keep the facts straight it was Steve Elliot’s barn. Jake worked for him. Search was due to an Oneprazole positive on a horse with Steve listed as trainer
Facts are straight Jake was listed trainer and what does who’s barn the bottle of Glacine that was found 3 months or so before it was supposedly found in shavings.
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Facts are straight Jake was listed trainer and what does who’s barn the bottle of Glacine that was found 3 months or so before it was supposedly found in shavings.
Then why was Jake’s suspension over turned but not Steve’s. Steve all shows the positive that caused the search not Jake. Please don’t crucify me for what my boss has on his office
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First off, please don't tell me you think Nifty was tubing Ramsey Hanover without instructions from Brett. Ok then knowitall, after all your bullshit, is Brett Pelling a great trainer or a dirty one?
Not saying am a know it all , Brett wasn’t there that day so only he and Niffy know. 2 ndly ass jack, how many positive does a trainer need to be considered dirty , wether it’s from contaminated shavings,LOL, groom addict pissing stall, or horse eating 10 lbs of bananas blowing up bicarb. So how are you calling a trainer dirty, because he claimed a horse from you and made you a profit.
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Then why was Jake’s suspension over turned but not Steve’s. Steve all shows the positive that caused the search not Jake. Please don’t crucify me for what my boss has on his office
The point is glacine was found in injectable form before the had the positives and blamed bad shavings. Who gives a shit who s barn it was found in
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BTW. He wasn’t deported. When you get deported you don’t come back in a couple years. He got hit hard financially when the Brooks empire imploded. Was offered a very lucrative deal to be a private trainer for a very wealthy owner down under. Turned out they were even more nuts than Brooks.
The word was around the backstretch he was deported. he was gone 11 years and according to an interview I saw online got involved brokering Chinese school buses into Australia. His words, not mine. You can find the interview easily online.
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Not saying am a know it all , Brett wasn’t there that day so only he and Niffy know. 2 ndly ass jack, how many positive does a trainer need to be considered dirty , wether it’s from contaminated shavings,LOL, groom addict pissing stall, or horse eating 10 lbs of bananas blowing up bicarb. So how are you calling a trainer dirty, because he claimed a horse from you and made you a profit.
You're not a knowitall. LOL. Your posts are everywhere telling everyone how wrong they are. Please show me where I said Brett was dirty jackass. All I did was present actual facts.
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Is Brett Pelling a great trainer or a trainer with great results? Great trainers don't get caught with phamaceutical injectables. Brett did in 1988. Great trainers don't get caught tubling a horse in the receiving barn before a race. Brett did in 1992. Great trainers don't come up positive for morphine. The Panderosa did in 1999. Great trainers have champion pacers and trotters. Haughton did. Dancer did. Burgess did. Burke did. McIntosh did. Hell, Toscano and Schnittker did. Brett hasn't. Maybe these are reasons why he isn't in the HOF.
Definitely not a trot guy. Just the greatest trainer of pacers ever. His list of World Champipons, major races won and Meadowlands training titles/career earnings is staggering.He is 8th all time AFTER missing a decade. Shoulda been in the HOF over a decade ago but the powers that be will fuck him until he dies just like Columbus has done to Tony Morgan.
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I don’t know what Dancer or Haughton do or didn’t do. But always remember when they were kings. Testing was like looking for a bowling ball in the ocean. Now it is like looking for a bowling ball in a 5 gallon bucket
They didn't have designer drugs like they have now. Hell, when I got in the business, if your horses knee got infected, you bandaged it with maggots. I know a trainer that keeps 2 retired horses in his barn and every week he pulls a liter of blood out of them and freezes it. When one of his actual racehorses is in a big race or if he wants to make a score gambling, they thaw a couple of liters and IV it into the horse racing. Blood doping 101. Unless you get caught in the act, there is no way to detect but trust me, it makes a difference. I am not saying they win all the time but they do better than average.
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They didn't have designer drugs like they have now. Hell, when I got in the business, if your horses knee got infected, you bandaged it with maggots. I know a trainer that keeps 2 retired horses in his barn and every week he pulls a liter of blood out of them and freezes it. When one of his actual racehorses is in a big race or if he wants to make a score gambling, they thaw a couple of liters and IV it into the horse racing. Blood doping 101. Unless you get caught in the act, there is no way to detect but trust me, it makes a difference. I am not saying they win all the time but they do better than average.
Blood packing or blood doping as you call it started over 40 years ago when a human doctor named Henry Kamen from NY introduced the idea to the world of equine athletes. he had a friend who was an anesthiologist, horse owner and heavy T-bred gambler. He was also a savant. I personally watched the guy trace his finger up and down a DRF page by page very quickly. Whole paper in under a minute. Then you could open to any page, any horse and ask him the most minute detail and he would instantly recite the detail back to you accurately. I never saw anything like that. The human brain operating in a way we can't even begin to fathom.
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Blood packing or blood doping as you call it started over 40 years ago when a human doctor named Henry Kamen from NY introduced the idea to the world of equine athletes. he had a friend who was an anesthiologist, horse owner and heavy T-bred gambler. He was also a savant. I personally watched the guy trace his finger up and down a DRF page by page very quickly. Whole paper in under a minute. Then you could open to any page, any horse and ask him the most minute detail and he would instantly recite the detail back to you accurately. I never saw anything like that. The human brain operating in a way we can't even begin to fathom.
I can't remember what I ate for dinner.
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I can't remember what I ate for dinner.
You seem to have a great memory for past details and store of info. Just thought you might find this interesting.
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Ur full of shit . Ask any vet unless a horse is typed n screen they can only get blood transfusions from a no match once in their life or they will have a serve reaction .That comes from stacks n stacks of veterinary journals. For $2.00 u can get a library card and educate yourself.
You sound like , with all the Fuck Pelling talk, clearly he embarrassed you in the business at some point. And all the designer drug use nowadays, cause they just had hay oats back in the day , you sound like someone who got broke
and run out of the game to a new career.
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You seem to have a great memory for past details and store of info. Just thought you might find this interesting.
I sure did. It actually reminded me of this kid I went to high school with. He was a total burnout. Stoned every day. He would sit in the back of the English and Civics classes that I was also in and space out. Yet, the dude ended up as salutatorian and scored something like a 1480 on the SAT's. It was fucking weird.
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Ur full of shit . Ask any vet unless a horse is typed n screen they can only get blood transfusions from a no match once in their life or they will have a serve reaction .That comes from stacks n stacks of veterinary journals. For $2.00 u can get a library card and educate yourself.
You sound like , with all the Fuck Pelling talk, clearly he embarrassed you in the business at some point. And all the designer drug use nowadays, cause they just had hay oats back in the day , you sound like someone who got broke
and run out of the game to a new career.
If you are talking to me, I have no idea what you are ranting about. I simply said, this guy I knew, Dr Henry Kamen, who lurked around NYRA with a friend tried pushing this idea of blood packing. I never said I used it or endorsed it. i know all about the dangers involved and how it is impractical to say the least. If you are responding to Mike Campbell, that's a different story. Hard to follow the thread.
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They didn't have designer drugs like they have now. Hell, when I got in the business, if your horses knee got infected, you bandaged it with maggots. I know a trainer that keeps 2 retired horses in his barn and every week he pulls a liter of blood out of them and freezes it. When one of his actual racehorses is in a big race or if he wants to make a score gambling, they thaw a couple of liters and IV it into the horse racing. Blood doping 101. Unless you get caught in the act, there is no way to detect but trust me, it makes a difference. I am not saying they win all the time but they do better than average.
No my good sir to Campbell
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If you are talking to me, I have no idea what you are ranting about. I simply said, this guy I knew, Dr Henry Kamen, who lurked around NYRA with a friend tried pushing this idea of blood packing. I never said I used it or endorsed it. i know all about the dangers involved and how it is impractical to say the least. If you are responding to Mike Campbell, that's a different story. Hard to follow the thread.
Looneyc can be hard to follow
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Read it a few times and got the idea. my apologies. I did figure it out tmbz1
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Ur full of shit . Ask any vet unless a horse is typed n screen they can only get blood transfusions from a no match once in their life or they will have a serve reaction .That comes from stacks n stacks of veterinary journals. For $2.00 u can get a library card and educate yourself.
You sound like , with all the Fuck Pelling talk, clearly he embarrassed you in the business at some point. And all the designer drug use nowadays, cause they just had hay oats back in the day , you sound like someone who got broke
and run out of the game to a new career.
LOL. Explain blood transfusions during colic surgeries dick breath.
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LOL. Explain blood transfusions during colic surgeries dick breath.
I think that's (transfusions) are different than PRPs or orthobiologics which is what you and I were discussing. really dont wanna get into this battle between you and Rabbit
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I think that's (transfusions) are different than PRPs or orthobiologics which is what you and I were discussing. really dont wanna get into this battle between you and Rabbit
It's all good. He can't prove it because it's not accurate. Horses are administered blood all the time without any side effects. 99% is Q type for a standardbred. He is just one of those guys that need to be the smartest guy in the room when in reality he is a pole smoker with an IQ of about 80.
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tmbz1
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It's all good. He can't prove it because it's not accurate. Horses are administered blood all the time without any side effects. 99% is Q type for a standardbred. He is just one of those guys that need to be the smartest guy in the room when in reality he is a pole smoker with an IQ of about 80.
Actually, the most prevalent blood type in a Standardbred is A -- much like a thoroughbred. I believe the Q type is just restricted to the thoroughbred and is not present at all in a Standardbred. All due to years of breeding practices and genetics.
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Actually, the most prevalent blood type in a Standardbred is A -- much like a thoroughbred. I believe the Q type is just restricted to the thoroughbred and is not present at all in a Standardbred. All due to years of breeding practices and genetics.
I think if you scroll down to the equine chart, variations of the Q type is 99% in standardbreds
https://eclinpath.com/hemostasis/transfusion-medicine/blood-types/
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Ur full of shit . Ask any vet unless a horse is typed n screen they can only get blood transfusions from a no match once in their life or they will have a serve reaction .That comes from stacks n stacks of veterinary journals. For $2.00 u can get a library card and educate yourself.
You sound like , with all the Fuck Pelling talk, clearly he embarrassed you in the business at some point. And all the designer drug use nowadays, cause they just had hay oats back in the day , you sound like someone who got broke
and run out of the game to a new career.
Read it and weep shit for brains. No severe reactions. God, you are a stupid fuck.
https://www.vet.upenn.edu/about/news-room/bellwether/new-bolton-post/winter-2015/blood-transfusion-story#:~:text=Unlike%20humans%2C%20who%20have%20just,e%2C%20f%2C%20or%20g.
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I think if you scroll down to the equine chart, variations of the Q type is 99% in standardbreds
https://eclinpath.com/hemostasis/transfusion-medicine/blood-types/
Absolutely no idea what any of that means -- Negative for the factor? -- no idea what that means. I had a mare about 5-6 years ago that needed blood. I asked the vet do horses have blood types like people? I had no idea. He said like I stated -- the most prevalent in Standardbreds and Thoroughbreds was type A. And I believe I remember correctly he said Thoroughbreds have Q but not Standardbreds -- not 100% sure about that, but the A part I am. I'll call the office in the morning.
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Not sure that there is 100% clarity on the issue.. but here is an excerpt on horse blood transfusions from DVM360:
"Blood Donor
A favorable donor should be an adult gelding (mares that have been pregnant increase their
likelihood of having erythrocyte alloantibodies), test negative for EIA, have a thorough vaccination
history, have never been transfused, and are negative for factors Aa and Qa (the two most common
alloantigens involved in neonatal isoerythrolysis).
Crossmatch
Performing a crossmatch between the donor and the recipient is helpful, but in an emergency
situation not always possible. A recipient that has not received a transfusion previously has a
decreased likelihood of having an adverse reaction to a single transfusion from an unmatched donor.
A purple top (EDTA) and a red top tube should be drawn from each potential donor and from the
recipient horse to perform the crossmatch. The major crossmatch involves combining donor red
cells with recipient serum. The minor crossmatch involves combining recipient red cells with donor
serum. Both sides must be compatible for it to be a true match; however, even under true match
conditions there is no guarantee that the patient will not have an adverse reaction to the transfusion"
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Absolutely no idea what any of that means -- Negative for the factor? -- no idea what that means. I had a mare about 5-6 years ago that needed blood. I asked the vet do horses have blood types like people? I had no idea. He said like I stated -- the most prevalent in Standardbreds and Thoroughbreds was type A. And I believe I remember correctly he said Thoroughbreds have Q but not Standardbreds -- not 100% sure about that, but the A part I am. I'll call the office in the morning.
I was always under the impression that our breed was Type-A too. The whole thing started when two guys started arguing over blood packing or blood doping as some call it. I mentioned that I knew the human Dr. who was at the inception of the idea and he was involved with a Tbred guy and they went out trying to sell it to equine trainers. I knew him but never messed with that crap, Something like taking blood out, loading it with platelets or oxygen or something and putting it back in. apparently it is dangerous and it is a well you can not go to often.
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Definitely not a trot guy. Just the greatest trainer of pacers ever. His list of World Champipons, major races won and Meadowlands training titles/career earnings is staggering.He is 8th all time AFTER missing a decade. Shoulda been in the HOF over a decade ago but the powers that be will fuck him until he dies just like Columbus has done to Tony Morgan.
Who broke and trained this horse through his 2 year old campaign ?????
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Read it and weep shit for brains. No severe reactions. God, you are a stupid fuck.
https://www.vet.upenn.edu/about/news-room/bellwether/new-bolton-post/winter-2015/blood-transfusion-story#:~:text=Unlike%20humans%2C%20who%20have%20just,e%2C%20f%2C%20or%20g.
You need to read what you researched or have someone read it to you dumbo.
This is directly from your research article. How if you have such a transfusion would you be able to race the horse.
transfusions with crossmatched incompatible blood were more likely to have fevers during and after blood transfusion. None of the horses had reactions that were severe or life-threatening. We concluded that crossmatch incompatibility was predictive of febrile transfusion reaction and shortened transfused red blood cell survival. Therefore, we recommended that crossmatch testing be performed prior to transfusions in horses, whenever feasible. However, if a well-matched donor is not available or cannot be identified, transfusion of incompatible whole blood can be considered in life-threatening conditions.
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I think if you scroll down to the equine chart, variations of the Q type is 99% in standardbreds
https://eclinpath.com/hemostasis/transfusion-medicine/blood-types/
I was directed to this link from the Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital in Lexington to answer the question on horse's blood type:
https://paulickreport.com/features/ask-your-veterinarian/ask-your-veterinarian-presented-by-equistro-do-horses-have-blood-types/#:~:text=The%20vast%20majority%20of%20Thoroughbreds%20%2898%20percent%29%20have,percent%20of%20Standardbreds%20have%20the%20Q%20blood%20type.
This basically holds true what I was told by a Vet. Most TBs and Standardbreds have A. No Q in a Standardbred. Interesting to note Trotters and Pacers blood varies with Trotters having more A.
Not sure why your article contradicts or does it -- I don't understand the verbage, but Rood and Riddle is one of the go to Equine hospitals in the country.
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I was directed to this link from the Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital in Lexington to answer the question on horse's blood type:
https://paulickreport.com/features/ask-your-veterinarian/ask-your-veterinarian-presented-by-equistro-do-horses-have-blood-types/#:~:text=The%20vast%20majority%20of%20Thoroughbreds%20%2898%20percent%29%20have,percent%20of%20Standardbreds%20have%20the%20Q%20blood%20type.
This basically holds true what I was told by a Vet. Most TBs and Standardbreds have A. No Q in a Standardbred. Interesting to note Trotters and Pacers blood varies with Trotters having more A.
Not sure why your article contradicts or does it -- I don't understand the verbage, but Rood and Riddle is one of the go to Equine hospitals in the country.
My mistake. Good article.