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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: MIKE CAMPBELL on September 25, 2023, 04:32:06 PM
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When you see a horse come up positive for opioids, don't buy the bullshit that it is due to an environmental or contamination issue. I am here to tell you that there are opioid blocking agents out there that mask their presence when tested. Many of these horses racing, especially the ones being trained by trainers with 40% win percentages are loaded with opioids as well as a blocking or masking agent. However, masking isn't 100% effective(just like a condom) and that is when you see a trainer come up positive for an opioid like morhine, oxycodone, fentanyl and yes, even good old cocaine. However, the big boys usually have it swept away with the environmental/contamination excuse. It is nothing but blatant fraud when these positives are dismissed. Ultimately, helpless horses and honest horsemen suffer the consequences of these nefarious acts.
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Are you sammimg thee horses are druggeddddddd>>>>>>>>>>>
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Today it's the best chemist not the best trainers. A good friend of mine who is a trainer told me that, but I already knew that.
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Today it's the best chemist not the best trainers. A good friend of mine who is a trainer told me that, but I already knew that.
Well it wasn't Ake Svanstedt
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When you see a horse come up positive for opioids, don't buy the bullshit that it is due to an environmental or contamination issue. I am here to tell you that there are opioid blocking agents out there that mask their presence when tested. Many of these horses racing, especially the ones being trained by trainers with 40% win percentages are loaded with opioids as well as a blocking or masking agent. However, masking isn't 100% effective(just like a condom) and that is when you see a trainer come up positive for an opioid like morhine, oxycodone, fentanyl and yes, even good old cocaine. However, the big boys usually have it swept away with the environmental/contamination excuse. It is nothing but blatant fraud when these positives are dismissed. Ultimately, helpless horses and honest horsemen suffer the consequences of these nefarious acts.
LOL this is nothing new, what ya think Baking Soda is used for or Black tar, the list goes on all day, who exactly do you think your educating? Did you really think these overages and positives are really wormers or to regulated meds? Duh 😀😀😀
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When you see a horse come up positive for opioids, don't buy the bullshit that it is due to an environmental or contamination issue. I am here to tell you that there are opioid blocking agents out there that mask their presence when tested. Many of these horses racing, especially the ones being trained by trainers with 40% win percentages are loaded with opioids as well as a blocking or masking agent. However, masking isn't 100% effective(just like a condom) and that is when you see a trainer come up positive for an opioid like morhine, oxycodone, fentanyl and yes, even good old cocaine. However, the big boys usually have it swept away with the environmental/contamination excuse. It is nothing but blatant fraud when these positives are dismissed. Ultimately, helpless horses and honest horsemen suffer the consequences of these nefarious acts.
Follow the trends, when the new batch comes in they go back to firing on all cylinders, it's obvious to Everyone
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Thanks Mike. I guess we all know drugging is widespread but a few of us may not be aware that there is a ton of masking agents that make the problem appear less substantial than what it is. Combine that with a few notheastern states that appear reluctant to seriously test and we have the state in which the industry finds itself.
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LOL this is nothing new, what ya think Baking Soda is used for or Black tar, the list goes on all day, who exactly do you think your educating? Did you really think these overages and positives are really wormers or to regulated meds? Duh 😀😀😀
LOL. If you think baking soda is masking fentanyl and oxycodone, I have some swampland to sell you. Masking agents are much more sophisticated than a orange box found in aisle 3 at Shop Rite. Please, don't embarrass yourself like that again.
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Thanks Mike. I guess we all know drugging is widespread but a few of us may not be aware that there is a ton of masking agents that make the problem appear less substantial than what it is. Combine that with a few notheastern states that appear reluctant to seriously test and we have the state in which the industry finds itself.
Duke, It is chemical warfare out there and legitimate testing can't keep up. You can trace the demise of this "sport" when racetrack barns started closing up and "training" centers became the trend.
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Duke, It is chemical warfare out there and legitimate testing can't keep up. You can trace the demise of this "sport" when racetrack barns started closing up and "training" centers became the trend.
I greatly agree with this especially when Dr Grasso, for example, held part ownership in some of the major NY training centers, whether publicly or silently
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I greatly agree with this especially when Dr Grasso, for example, held part ownership in some of the major NY training centers, whether publicly or silently
Yes sir. Grasso has been pond scum his whole professional life. In fact, I bet he was a piece of shit his whole life but I will limit my opinion to his veterinarian acts.
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Yes sir. Grasso has been pond scum his whole professional life. In fact, I bet he was a piece of shit his whole life but I will limit my opinion to his veterinarian acts.
I know Louie going back to when he went to vet school in Grenada,got out and hung his shingle at YR.
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I know Louie going back to when he went to vet school in Grenada,got out and hung his shingle at YR.
Some people just have larceny running through their veins and he is one of them.
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Some people just have larceny running through their veins and he is one of them.
addicted gambler like u cant believe. First time they caught him he was selling steroids to HS kids at rest stops in Westchester Cnty. Nearly 40 years ago
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addicted gambler like u cant believe. First time they caught him he was selling steroids to HS kids at rest stops in Westchester Cnty. Nearly 40 years ago
All you need to know about Grasso is he was sentenced to prison but that didn't stop him from trying to score illegally at Mohegan Sun Poconos.
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yeah, I heard that. Robbed over 18k on electronic roulette using a dealer as a conspirator just days before he was due to report.
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yeah, I heard that. Robbed over 18k on electronic roulette using a dealer as a conspirator just days before he was due to report.
You almost have to laugh when you hear something like that
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You almost have to laugh when you hear something like that
Cost the dealer his job of course and i heard Pocono went after him criminally
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Cost the dealer his job of course and i heard Pocono went after him criminally
The funny thing is at some point he is going to be released from prison and I guarantee he will be working on horses again, legally or otherwise. I'm betting on otherwise.
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The funny thing is at some point he is going to be released from prison and I guarantee he will be working on horses again, legally or otherwise. I'm betting on otherwise.
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Wasn't so long ago that ANY narcotic positive resulted in at least 6 months! I think some guys are using them intentionally and plan of using the contamination defense if caught! Finishing 3rd every week earns money with a purse of 8500 ot better!
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Wasn't so long ago that ANY narcotic positive resulted in at least 6 months! I think some guys are using them intentionally and plan of using the contamination defense if caught! Finishing 3rd every week earns money with a purse of 8500 ot better!
You're 100% correct. Apparently there are a lot of grooms pissing out opioids. Not.
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LOL. If you think baking soda is masking fentanyl and oxycodone, I have some swampland to sell you. Masking agents are much more sophisticated than a orange box found in aisle 3 at Shop Rite. Please, don't embarrass yourself like that again.
LOL then what exactly was Milk shakes used for? They dont contain PEDS
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LOL then what exactly was Milk shakes used for? They dont contain PEDS
Oh BTW Fentanyl and Oxy is not whats being used thats not being dected, some guys may bd usibgbit, but thats not the undetectable stuff thats being most distributed, it's totally different
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LOL then what exactly was Milk shakes used for? They dont contain PEDS
The "milkshake" was used to prevent the build-up of sugar enzymes and lactic acid in the stomach and muscles to prevent tying up. It made a world of difference for many horses. the difference between performing or not. Making money or not.
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Sure by your expertise it sounds like a good thing, yet its banned 🤔🤔🤔, probably because of the additives it contained, even at one time it was perfectly ok to give them Gatorade, and good for them too, then BOO! someone used it to hide something and- banned 👍👍👍👍
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Sure by your expertise it sounds like a good thing, yet its banned 🤔🤔🤔, probably because of the additives it contained, even at one time it was perfectly ok to give them Gatorade, and good for them too, then BOO! someone used it to hide something and- banned 👍👍👍👍
Ok, here's the thing. Back in the mid 80s when the "milkshake" exploded on the scene, thanks to Dr Grasso, there was nothing illegal or prohibited about the ingredients. Windstrol, baking soda and distilled water. What was illegal was the introduction of a tube inro a horses stomach day of the race.4 hours out was the perfect time to tube your horse. No coincidence one of the first things YR did was to order all vets off the grounds by 4 pm. $ pm plus 4 hours = 8pm. Post Time.
Moving forward you are absolutely correct. Trainers disguised at chemists or vice versa began to introduce all kinds of things into the "shake" in an effort to get then through the box. I used to see guys even put DMSO into the mix. Really weird.
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When DMSO was just becoming known, the advertising stated that it alleviated body pain. They encouraged not only topical use,but using a spoonful on their breakfast cereal as well to assist with pain related to old age!
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When DMSO was just becoming known, the advertising stated that it alleviated body pain. They encouraged not only topical use,but using a spoonful on their breakfast cereal as well to assist with pain related to old age!
Dimethylsulfoxide was dangerous to handle. I only put it on with latex gloves and women had to be really careful. we used to call it dry cleaning solution. I remember if it got on my jeans, my skin would itch under that spot. putting it on cereal. Ouch. the indoor paddock at Monti used to reek from DMSO and urine soooo bad
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In the '70-'80's, we would mix DMSO with other liniments and leg paints. It was always thought to be a catalyst. But also painted legs with DMSO straight, too.
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Same here. I am all for it topically. Seemed like a weird addiitive to a "milkshake". I was a big poultice guy myself, Front legs and feet after every race, except the night I claimed one. Whenever I claimed a horse, we left the horse open that night and he got no grain either after the race. Just cut loose in his stall with some hay. If anything was going to develop inside or out, I wanted to see it in the morning.
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Hey mr fuggezi.. by any chance do we know your name?
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Hey mr fuggezi.. by any chance do we know your name?
Quite possibly, but I would prefer not to put it out here, Ty for understanding. Naturally I am curious about some of the people I am talking to, but I would never ask.
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LOL. If you think baking soda is masking fentanyl and oxycodone, I have some swampland to sell you. Masking agents are much more sophisticated than a orange box found in aisle 3 at Shop Rite. Please, don't embarrass yourself like that again.
GOOD STUFF CAMPBELL tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 If you raced the Roosevelt-Yonkers circuit in the 60's-70's, you definitely know me but don't know it. I was a board changer!
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In the '70-'80's, we would mix DMSO with other liniments and leg paints. It was always thought to be a catalyst. But also painted legs with DMSO straight, too.
I believe during this period, the preferred mixture was DMSO and cortisone. If DMSO got on bare hands, it could be tasted almost immediately. In medical terms it was referred to as a "Driver" because whatever it was mixed with it got to the joints quite quickly. It was one of my favorites and quite legal, but also alone, it had no healing qualities. Actually, it could be bought legally at any pharmacy as a liquid but mostly in jell form. Vets got rich as most horsemen, with lower case H, thought it thought it could only be bought on the down low, so cudos to this author.
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I can still taste it. I'd bring a brown bottle of DMSO/cortisone in the paddock -- paint joints and coronet bands. Boy did they stomp after that.
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I can still taste it. I'd bring a brown bottle of DMSO/cortisone in the paddock -- paint joints and coronet bands. Boy did they stomp after that.
Were you the trainer or the groom at the time?
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Were you the trainer or the groom at the time?
Groom at Monti -- told to conceal the bottle -- why do you ask?
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Groom at Monti -- told to conceal the bottle -- why do you ask?
Well having to "conceal the bottle" is part of the reason I asked. You and I get along well on here and seem to share similar philosophies and opinions, so I was asking respectfully if this was your idea as trainer or you were under orders. You already answered that tmbz1
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Well having to "conceal the bottle" is part of the reason I asked. You and I get along well on here and seem to share similar philosophies and opinions, so I was asking respectfully if this was your idea as trainer or you were under orders. You already answered that tmbz1
Got it. Back when they had the outdoor paddock -- only one I know. Rubbed horses and 2nd. trained New York/Meadowlands for seven years -- trained when I got to the west coast/ Hollywood Park/Los Al/Sac in the 80s.
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I always felt DMSO was rough on the coronary bands of the hoof/made them turn to tissue paper the way leaving them too wet would. I differed from some colleagues in that I liked DMSO more on soft tissue/tendons/ligaments than joints. Do you remember a very good trainer who vanished named Dennis Gingras. His barn reeked of it. wonder what became of him. Ran a good outfit. Was very tight with Luc.
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Don't know him. I mainly used it on joints especially knees. I remember getting it from Roy Sadovsky a vet at Monti/then N.Y. and N.J. He told me it works best on joints. His father trained -- George.
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Don't know him. I mainly used it on joints especially knees. I remember getting it from Roy Sadovsky a vet at Monti/then N.Y. and N.J. He told me it works best on joints. His father trained -- George.
yeah, Roy was the vet who fooled with radium pellets when he was operating at YR. I know he put them in Curragh, Gerry Hade's SS champ and eventual Open Pacer. Right knee. Would use a Geiger counter to check them to see when they were dead. Roy smokes. The combination killed him young.
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One thing I always did that I'll share is - I always jugged a horse the day after every race -- and occasionally before a race.
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One thing I always did that I'll share is - I always jugged a horse the day after every race -- and occasionally before a race.
Sodium iodide? Million ways to skin a cat. I never jugged a horse in my life. Groomed many that got a jug, but I wasn't in charge then.
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I picked it up working for a guy that grew up in Elmont, so he spent a lot of time at Belmont Park -- his father owned a couple of TB. TB trainers were, I don't know if they still are, big on jugging horses -- pre and post race, electrolytes, vitamins, and yes sodium iodine. Just a quick way of replenishing whatever a horse might have lost racing and/or training. On another note I always fed my horses a little calf manna -- really brought out the shine in their coats. Then once at Hollywood Park a handful of trainers (me included) got a $200 positive for something (I can't remember what it was) that was in the calf manna. It took us about a week to figure out we were all using calf manna and that's where the (substance) positive came from. Needless to say we stopped with the calf manna.
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Never heard of it before or since but the trainer I started out with would put an egg on their feed once a day. Talk about shiny coats !!!
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I picked it up working for a guy that grew up in Elmont, so he spent a lot of time at Belmont Park -- his father owned a couple of TB. TB trainers were, I don't know if they still are, big on jugging horses -- pre and post race, electrolytes, vitamins, and yes sodium iodine. Just a quick way of replenishing whatever a horse might have lost racing and/or training. On another note I always fed my horses a little calf manna -- really brought out the shine in their coats. Then once at Hollywood Park a handful of trainers (me included) got a $200 positive for something (I can't remember what it was) that was in the calf manna. It took us about a week to figure out we were all using calf manna and that's where the (substance) positive came from. Needless to say we stopped with the calf manna.
Big believer in calf manna. Haven't thought about it in years. Never heard of a positive from it. In teresting.