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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 06:31:53 PM
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This should bring Fuguzzi hate out of the wings...
Was doing some research after I mentioned in a thread that Yannick is on a trajectory to be the all time average earnings per start leader in the history of the sport and (possibly) all time money earner. Of course, i was told i am crazy and Yannick sucks and lives off Burke and all that. All of that is subjective babble open to debate, but here are the figures which don't lie and can't be twisted.
* Yannick - fastest driver to $200 million in purses in history.
* There are 7 drivers in history including Yannick who have $200 million plus in purse earnings. He is the youngest.
* The number of drives it has taken him to accomplish vs that of his peers is astonishing...
Campbell $299 million.....62,000 drives
Miller $278 M............69,000 drives
Tetrick $265 M............67,500 drives
Y. Gingras $225 M............48,500 drives 15 to 20 thousand fewer drives to crack the most exclusive club in racing is amazing
Pierce $215M.............67,000 drives
Sears $213 M............55,000 drives - very notable accomplishment
Brennan $202M.............70,000 drives
We should all "suck" so bad ;D
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This should bring Fuguzzi hate out of the wings...
Was doing some research after I mentioned in a thread that Yannick is on a trajectory to be the all time average earnings per start leader in the history of the sport and (possibly) all time money earner. Of course, i was told i am crazy and Yannick sucks and lives off Burke and all that. All of that is subjective babble open to debate, but here are the figures which don't lie and can't be twisted.
* Yannick - fastest driver to $200 million in purses in history.
* There are 7 drivers in history including Yannick who have $200 million plus in purse earnings. He is the youngest.
* The number of drives it has taken him to accomplish vs that of his peers is astonishing...
Campbell $299 million.....62,000 drives
Miller $278 M............69,000 drives
Tetrick $265 M............67,500 drives
Y. Gingras $225 M............48,500 drives 15 to 20 thousand fewer drives to crack the most exclusive club in racing is amazing
Pierce $215M.............67,000 drives
Sears $213 M............55,000 drives - very notable accomplishment
Brennan $202M.............70,000 drives
We should all "suck" so bad ;D
No denying his immense talent. But would have $250 million made already if he drove smarter.
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No denying his immense talent. But would have $250 million made already if he drove smarter.
Ok, buddy you may well be right. He does get great opportunities. Granted!
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Campbell $299,892,141.00 61887 $4,845.80
Miller $278,331,635.00 69236 $4,020.04
Tetrick $265,035,315.00 67652 $3,917.63
Y Gingras $225,017,139.00 48466 $4,642.78
Pierce $215,343,077.00 67034 $3,212.45
Sears $213,727,011.00 55318 $3,863.61
Brennan $202,850,465.00 70293 $2,885.78
Those are dead nuts up to date accurate numbers. Now after looking at this data you may think oh my god Yannick is some great driver but you definitely are not looking at all the data. Yannick started driving in 98 and went from nothing to driving YR in one yr. His avg race purse is ten times any other driver on the list for there first ten yrs except John D. David Miller cut his teeth at Ohio fairs then Scioto downs in the 90's. Tetrick started in Illinoise with minimal success for his first few yrs. Pierce was same for his first 8-10yrs. Sears started at VD racing for no money and then the meadows for most all of the 90's. Brennan was a Freehold guy long before he was a regular at the Meadowlands.
So when you chop out all these guys first 8-10 years when they drove for zero dollars on fair tracks you would clearly see that Yannick has been driving for an avg. of 3-4k per race over his career than the rest. A better just is percentage of money captured and John D hands down is in a class of his own that will never be duplicated by anyone. Yannick is no where to be found on this list. You have to remember he is 0-eternity in the hambo. If you strip out Burke and Takter he would be scapping for 3-4mil a yr and probably a Yr's or Meadows driver.
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Campbell $299,892,141.00 61887 $4,845.80
Miller $278,331,635.00 69236 $4,020.04
Tetrick $265,035,315.00 67652 $3,917.63
Y Gingras $225,017,139.00 48466 $4,642.78
Pierce $215,343,077.00 67034 $3,212.45
Sears $213,727,011.00 55318 $3,863.61
Brennan $202,850,465.00 70293 $2,885.78
Those are dead nuts up to date accurate numbers. Now after looking at this data you may think oh my god Yannick is some great driver but you definitely are not looking at all the data. Yannick started driving in 98 and went from nothing to driving YR in one yr. His avg race purse is ten times any other driver on the list for there first ten yrs except John D. David Miller cut his teeth at Ohio fairs then Scioto downs in the 90's. Tetrick started in Illinoise with minimal success for his first few yrs. Pierce was same for his first 8-10yrs. Sears started at VD racing for no money and then the meadows for most all of the 90's. Brennan was a Freehold guy long before he was a regular at the Meadowlands.
So when you chop out all these guys first 8-10 years when they drove for zero dollars on fair tracks you would clearly see that Yannick has been driving for an avg. of 3-4k per race over his career than the rest. A better just is percentage of money captured and John D hands down is in a class of his own that will never be duplicated by anyone. Yannick is no where to be found on this list. You have to remember he is 0-eternity in the hambo. If you strip out Burke and Takter he would be scapping for 3-4mil a yr and probably a Yr's or Meadows driver.
Yes, Yannick went right to YR in 98 and drove against Case and Ouellette. he started getting drives from Ford and Strattons old man at YR. I stuck with Luc.
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Big difference driving at YR than the Ohio County Rodeo Ring or in Timmy's case the Illinois leaky roof tour for $400 a start and that's if you get paid!
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You wanna try to compare Yanick to Campbell just watch the Jug yesterday then watch Life Sign. Yanick has 1 plan going in live or die the greats can adjust to circumstances and adapt
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Campbell $299,892,141.00 61887 $4,845.80
Miller $278,331,635.00 69236 $4,020.04
Tetrick $265,035,315.00 67652 $3,917.63
Y Gingras $225,017,139.00 48466 $4,642.78
Pierce $215,343,077.00 67034 $3,212.45
Sears $213,727,011.00 55318 $3,863.61
Brennan $202,850,465.00 70293 $2,885.78
Those are dead nuts up to date accurate numbers. Now after looking at this data you may think oh my god Yannick is some great driver but you definitely are not looking at all the data. Yannick started driving in 98 and went from nothing to driving YR in one yr. His avg race purse is ten times any other driver on the list for there first ten yrs except John D. David Miller cut his teeth at Ohio fairs then Scioto downs in the 90's. Tetrick started in Illinoise with minimal success for his first few yrs. Pierce was same for his first 8-10yrs. Sears started at VD racing for no money and then the meadows for most all of the 90's. Brennan was a Freehold guy long before he was a regular at the Meadowlands.
So when you chop out all these guys first 8-10 years when they drove for zero dollars on fair tracks you would clearly see that Yannick has been driving for an avg. of 3-4k per race over his career than the rest. A better just is percentage of money captured and John D hands down is in a class of his own that will never be duplicated by anyone. Yannick is no where to be found on this list. You have to remember he is 0-eternity in the hambo. If you strip out Burke and Takter he would be scapping for 3-4mil a yr and probably a Yr's or Meadows driver.
excellent tmbz1
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You wanna try to compare Yanick to Campbell just watch the Jug yesterday then watch Life Sign. Yanick has 1 plan going in live or die the greats can adjust to circumstances and adapt
I have a photo of Life Sign in my home. Greatest jug ever. I was there. Greatest performance in history by a 3 year old on a half. An inexplicable win.
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Seriously you’re going to compare Yannick to Campbell , as Sheldon Cooper said”did you take a marijuana marijuana?”. Yannick has driven in the majority of his career in the slot enriched era. Here’s the only statistic that matters, how many million dollar races has JC won versus Yannick. I don’t know but would guess it’s like 8-1 in favor of JC. That’s when you know a guys great when they deliver in those moments.
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Seriously you’re going to compare Yannick to Campbell , as Sheldon Cooper said”did you take a marijuana marijuana?”. Yannick has driven in the majority of his career in the slot enriched era. Here’s the only statistic that matters, how many million dollar races has JC won versus Yannick. I don’t know but would guess it’s like 8-1 in favor of JC. That’s when you know a guys great when they deliver in those moments.
There is no way to compare purse money. Hell I was making $20 an hour in 93 Thought I was rich. $46 now and not so sure
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I dont know where the Yannick vs Campbell thing got started? Nowhere did I make the comparison and never intended to. I just reprinted the career numbers...My Mount Rushmore is Campbell, Herve, Haughton and Dancer. No Yannick.
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BTW, it is true Campbell did not race in the slot era, but comeon 95 percent of his career was the Big M and the purses were huge in those days Plus as we all know he drove the best horses everywhere, Grand Circuit all the YR and RR majors, Europe for millions annually. Campbell is still the "standard" tmbz1
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Campbell drove at the Meadowlands when it was the center of the racing universe. He drove against the best drivers in the sport 1/2 of which are in the HOF . Not to mention the best trainers in sport a long with all the best horses in the sport. When he dominated the Meadowlands it was absolutely the toughest racing in the world. There’s nothing even close to now or will ever be. You put up the stats above Yannick raise . I just called BS
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BTW, it is true Campbell did not race in the slot era, but comeon 95 percent of his career was the Big M and the purses were huge in those days Plus as we all know he drove the best horses everywhere, Grand Circuit all the YR and RR majors, Europe for millions annually. Campbell is still the "standard" tmbz1
Make sure you check the million dollar wins too. It will blow ur mind
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Driving for a big suspect barn is an immense help. It keeps his confidence up. There are not many bad nights.
Is Gringras hard on horses? I say yes...but speed wins the most in today's game. As a bettor many years ago i loved first time Yannick.
Why did Takter & Burke fight over Yannick the Pinkman/Mission Brief year? Gringras choose off Pinkman & got the drive back. HUH?
IMO Tetrick, Miller, Dunn, Zeron, & Sears all take better long term care of the horse.
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Campbell drove horses, Yannick points them……..
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You cannot compare the money earned vs drives done to make it.
Why?
The purses nowadays are much better than what they were years ago, so it is not an apples v apples comparison.
End of story.
This should bring Fuguzzi hate out of the wings...
Was doing some research after I mentioned in a thread that Yannick is on a trajectory to be the all time average earnings per start leader in the history of the sport and (possibly) all time money earner. Of course, i was told i am crazy and Yannick sucks and lives off Burke and all that. All of that is subjective babble open to debate, but here are the figures which don't lie and can't be twisted.
* Yannick - fastest driver to $200 million in purses in history.
* There are 7 drivers in history including Yannick who have $200 million plus in purse earnings. He is the youngest.
* The number of drives it has taken him to accomplish vs that of his peers is astonishing...
Campbell $299 million.....62,000 drives
Miller $278 M............69,000 drives
Tetrick $265 M............67,500 drives
Y. Gingras $225 M............48,500 drives 15 to 20 thousand fewer drives to crack the most exclusive club in racing is amazing
Pierce $215M.............67,000 drives
Sears $213 M............55,000 drives - very notable accomplishment
Brennan $202M.............70,000 drives
We should all "suck" so bad ;D
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You cannot compare the money earned vs drives done to make it.
Why?
The purses nowadays are much better than what they were years ago, so it is not an apples v apples comparison.
End of story.
Not completely true. The entire list drove at the BigM regularly where the purses were huge, plus many races in the past had larger purses some 2 million like the Woodrow Wilson. Breeders Crown goes back to early 90s, so that knocks that arguement out
Now if you are talking about lower rung drivers at smallerl tracks where the purses are obscene and do not reflect handle, I completely agree.
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Campbell drove horses, Yannick points them……..
What's the distinction.?
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Not completely true. The entire list drove at the BigM regularly where the purses were huge, plus many races in the past had larger purses some 2 million like the Woodrow Wilson. Breeders Crown goes back to early 90s, so that knocks that arguement out
Now if you are talking about lower rung drivers at smallerl tracks where the purses are obscene and do not reflect handle, I completely agree.
woodrow went 2 mil once i believe and the avg purse is not even close. The point I'm making is you are talking about Yannicks avg purse. I'm saying every driver on that list has 10k drives where they were learning or driving for fair money. Yannicks 10K first drives were for 10x the money so his avg is crazy. He doesn't have 10k garbage drives like the others. Make it fair and add 10k starts to him and keep the money the same and see what happens.
Campbell $299,892,141.00 61887 $4,845.80
Miller $278,331,635.00 69236 $4,020.04
Tetrick $265,035,315.00 67652 $3,917.63
Y Gingras $225,017,139.00 58466 $3,848.68 - with 10k extra drives
Pierce $215,343,077.00 67034 $3,212.45
Sears $213,727,011.00 55318 $3,863.61
Brennan $202,850,465.00 70293 $2,885.78
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Yes he did start at a very high level. U remember his first drive at YR. 2nd with a trotter 6 hole for Peter Stratton.
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I meant to say I remember wasn't asking if you did
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I've really delved deep into these numbers or as much as I could because USTA has limited capabilities with there data. If you look at all the top ten drivers in history and look at there wins in major stakes (triple crown races, Breeders Crown, and 500K plus races) you will see something very glaring. All Yannicks wins in these type races are one way. Front end and on the hammer. IMO that's not driving, that's getting behind one and praying he's the best on that day. How many of those horses that lost could have won with someone else? I can name about 3-4 Hambo's off the top of my head where he had by far the best horse and found a way to lose.
Great drivers find a way to win ala Ron Pierce making magic out of nothing sometimes or John Campbell sitting parked with Life Sign and winning. David Miller has made so much magic it's hard to pick one. They all have except one - YG! Name one time he won a major not as fav or co-fav?
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How's Meadowlands Pace just too name one...Yannick and many if the top drivers are all almost equal.....stop the insanity
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There is no way to compare purse money. Hell I was making $20 an hour in 93 Thought I was rich. $46 now and not so sure
The amount of money earned by J.C. and R.P. would be 2-3 times more today. Those guys drove alot of overnights for less than 4k purses! Not to mention there was alot more "racing one easy"
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How's Meadowlands Pace just too name one...Yannick and many if the top drivers are all almost equal.....stop the insanity
YG best wins
Nassagaweya Pace (2005)
Fan Hanover Stakes (2006)
Armbro Flight Stakes
(2007, 2013, 2016)
Milton Stakes (2008)
Gold Cup Invitational Pace
(2010)
Bobby Quillen Memorial Pace
(2007, 2010, 2011, 2014)
Governor's Cup Stakes (2011)
Canadian Pacing Derby (2012)
Meadowlands Pace (2012)
Simcoe Stakes Trot (2012)
Adios Pace (2013)
Glen Garnsey Memorial Pace (2013)
Peter Haughton Memorial Trot
(2013, 2015)
TVG Free For All Pace (2013)
William Wellwood Memorial Stakes
(2013, 2014, 2015)
Canadian Trotting Classic
(2014, 2015)
Casual Breeze Stakes (2014)
Hambletonian Oaks
(2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
She's A Great Lady Stakes (2014)
Simcoe Stakes Pace (2014)
Three Diamonds Stakes (2014)
Elegantimage Stakes (2015)
Confederation Cup Pace (2016)
New Jersey Classic Pace (2016)
Pennsylvania Classic Pace (2016)
Roses Are Red Stakes (2016)
Prix d'Été (2016)
Breeders Crown wins:
Breeders Crown 3YO Filly Trot
(2007, 2012)
Breeders Crown 2YO Filly Trot
(2012, 2014, 2015, 2016)
Breeders Crown Open Mare Trot
(2013, 2016)
Breeders Crown 2YO Colt & Gelding Trot
(2013, 2014, 2015)
Breeders Crown 3YO Filly Pace (2014)
U.S. Pacing Triple Crown wins:
Cane Pace (2011, 2014)
Little Brown Jug (2014)
Messenger Stakes (2015)
U.S. Trotting Triple Crown wins:
Kentucky Futurity (2015)
JC best
Meadowlands Pace
(1982, 1989, 1994, 1995, 1999, 2001, 2002) †
Canadian Trotting Classic (1983, 2010)
Maple Leaf Trot (1983, 1987)
Adios Pace
(1984, 1987, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2003) †
Breeders Crown Open Trot
(1985, 1988, 1989, 1994, 1997, 2008) †
Little Brown Jugette
(1985, 1989, 1992,1998, 2016) †
Art Rooney Pace
(1990, 1993, 1994, 1999) †
North America Cup
(1991, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999) †
Breeders Crown Open Pace
(1992, 2002, 2003, 2011, 2014) †
Betsy Ross Mares Invitational Pace
(2008, 2015)
U.S. Trotting Triple Crown wins:
Hambletonian Stakes
(1987, 1988, 1990, 1995, 1998, 2006) †
Yonkers Trot
(1987, 1998, 2014)
Kentucky Futurity
(1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997, 2004, 2007, 2014) †
U.S. Pacing Triple Crown wins:
Little Brown Jug
(1982, 1993, 1995)
Cane Pace
(1985, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2004) †
Messenger Stakes
(1986, 1987, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1998, 2000, 2004) †
And one Elliop trot , Mack Lobel
7 MP
† denotes record
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Yes and all those Yannick drives read the same 1 - 1 - 1- 1- 1 -
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You wanna try to compare Yanick to Campbell just watch the Jug yesterday then watch Life Sign. Yanick has 1 plan going in live or die the greats can adjust to circumstances and adapt
So true, that was an embarrassing drive on Yannicks part. This is the weak link in regards to Yannick. He seems to have lapses where he drives like his pussies on fire. On another note, I walked up on the Big Guy behind the scenes while he was berating Yannick prior to thursday card at Delaware. Not sure what exactly it was about but I actually felt sorry for Yannick. Big Guy must be a nice guy to work for.....
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Awe come on! You can't toss out a gem like that and not elaborate!! Do tell more about the berating!! 11.wp 11.wp
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Not hard to solve , how many 6 ft trainers he drive for
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Not hard to solve , how many 6 ft trainers he drive for
Everyone knows who the BigMan is, I wanted to here the details! i.e.raised voices,finger poking . The thing I really was wondering is if Big Man was down on one knee so he could look'em in the eye! ngc3
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Everyone knows who the BigMan is, I wanted to here the details! i.e.raised voices,finger poking . The thing I really was wondering is if Big Man was down on one knee so he could look'em in the eye! ngc3
Ronnie was telling him that Yannick needs to get a hot sister or he's gonna have to start using Joey more.