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Title: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: JIDGE on September 22, 2023, 09:19:36 AM
Tetrick, Gingras, Dr. Moore, Diamond Creek, etc. Anyone privileged to any dialogue?
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Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 09:36:07 AM
Wish i was, but i am about to start a thread about Tetrick if you wanna see it....
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Post by: Chips N Salsa on September 22, 2023, 10:39:49 AM
Tetrick hates Yannick as well as most drivers.  That's why Timmy hung him and wouldn't let him clear.  Doc Moore is likely gonna get royally crucified depending on what the white powder happens to be. IMO he should get a year and horses can't transfer.  Put an end to this crap.
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Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 11:58:23 AM
Dr. Moore - clenbuterol?
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Post by: White Rabbit on September 22, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
Clenbutorl doesn’t come in a powder, Sput does
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Post by: Casualfan1 on September 22, 2023, 03:45:44 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s what makes world go around but IMHO Yannick has always been by far the most overrated drivers in history. He’s not the guy to put smart anyone on getting the trip. Most of the time he’s got the foot pedal to the floor.  Helps he drives for Burke and Takter but he’s awful.  Perfect example yesterday. 
Not because of his success at Delaware this week but Scottie Z can flat drive a horse. 
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 04:03:12 PM
Clenbutorl doesn’t come in a powder, Sput does
In my day it was a white powder you put in the feed tub. You had to be extremely careful to completely wipe out and clean the tub between feedings. I never used it but knew people that did. It left whjite residue in the tub.
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Stan durbread on September 22, 2023, 05:03:10 PM
Clenbutorl doesn’t come in a powder, Sput does

You can still get the powder but it is much easier to control cutoff times with the liquid
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 05:08:38 PM
You can still get the powder but it is much easier to control cutoff times with the liquid
No liquid in my day, ty for backing me up. I've seen a thing or 2 and don't lie.
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 05:10:07 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s what makes world go around but IMHO Yannick has always been by far the most overrated drivers in history. He’s not the guy to put smart anyone on getting the trip. Most of the time he’s got the foot pedal to the floor.  Helps he drives for Burke and Takter but he’s awful.  Perfect example yesterday. 
Not because of his success at Delaware this week but Scottie Z can flat drive a horse.
Scottie is starting to remind me of a young Pierce. He can think, he knows hot to let things come to him and when the money is on the line - look out!
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: White Rabbit on September 22, 2023, 05:29:56 PM
No liquid in my day, ty for backing me up. I've seen a thing or 2 and don't lie.
Absolutely there is no powder, only injectable or syrup.
sputolysin Comes in powder and is only approved in Canada.
Why would he use either, there both 72 hrs out and easily detectable
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Post by: Dingus on September 22, 2023, 05:42:28 PM
Scottie is starting to remind me of a young Pierce. He can think, he knows hot to let things come to him and when the money is on the line - look out!

Regarding Pierce, I remember 1 time he was driving my friend’s trotter at the Meadowlands a number of years ago.  His trainer, Bill Gallagher, told Pierce to pull the ear plugs at the top of the stretch.  We’re watching at the finish line, and the horse runs 4th, with the plugs still in as they go by the line.  When he brings the horse back, the plugs are out.

Bill says to Pierce “Why didn’t you pop the plugs?”
Pierce replies:  “what do you mean?  They’re out!”
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 05:52:00 PM
Absolutely there is no powder, only injectable or syrup.
sputolysin Comes in powder and is only approved in Canada.
Why would he use either, there both 72 hrs out and easily detectable
[/quote   I am really fucking tired of arguing with you. Clenbuterol has always been available in powdered form and it still is, as well as pill, liquid and injectable. Google it and get about 1000 responses and cos. happy to sell it you. Basic bronchodilator and it helped some go, but if you were smart you stayed away from it. Yeah the rule was 72 hours out but i knew guys who were using it right up until the day before. not saying they all got away with it but they were. there was a guy down the end of my barn at YR who would brag about it, how sharp he was and how they'd never catch him, blah, blah, blah. They caught him despite his "always being careful' He was small potatoes, drew 180 days and it really hurt his pocketbook. plus he was now on their radar. take issue with every word I say and opinion I have if it pleases you, I'm not gonna respons further. People like you take the fun outta this site.
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Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 06:02:05 PM
Regarding Pierce, I remember 1 time he was driving my friend’s trotter at the Meadowlands a number of years ago.  His trainer, Bill Gallagher, told Pierce to pull the ear plugs at the top of the stretch.  We’re watching at the finish line, and the horse runs 4th, with the plugs still in as they go by the line.  When he brings the horse back, the plugs are out.

Bill says to Pierce “Why didn’t you pop the plugs?”
Pierce replies:  “what do you mean?  They’re out!”
Cute story, but what's the point. Never said he was a rocket scientist. In fact, I think it was Herve who once remarked he and most of his colleagues would be auto mechanics if they weren't driving horses. Ronnie was still an excellent driver, gave his horses great trips got them to relax, rarely overdrove a horse and won all there was to win over and over while not being the most popular guy in the locker room. That's the Ronnie I knew.
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 06:04:45 PM
I think Gallagher had a few nice horses mid 90 at the Big M, right? Didn't make a big impression, sorry.
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Dingus on September 22, 2023, 06:34:36 PM
I think Gallagher had a few nice horses mid 90 at the Big M, right? Didn't make a big impression, sorry.

He beat Moni Maker in the 1996 Breeders Crown with Personal Banner, and had a top trotter with Hellava Hush, who won the Nat Ray in 2005.
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
Great accomplishments tmbz1
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Post by: Chips N Salsa on September 22, 2023, 06:42:33 PM
Absolutely there is no powder, only injectable or syrup.
sputolysin Comes in powder and is only approved in Canada.
Why would he use either, there both 72 hrs out and easily detectable

 At any rate it was Sput or Clen.  IMO they should jerk his vet license and suspend his trainers license for a yr min.  That's a blatant disregard for the rules.  I don't want to hear any shit about he didn't know.  He left the barn went to his trailer mixed it up and came back and fed to horse.  Everyone is told you can only feed from a brand new bag and you ARE NOT ALLOWED to bring anything in and feed to horse!  He knew what he was doing and they need to come down hard.
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Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 06:43:33 PM
Just watched it - Moni Maker 3 wide around a dullard   Personal Banner perfect pocket ride and juuuust squeeeeezed out, but bottom line Personal Banner stuck a fat nose in front on the wire

Great race to watch tmbz1
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 06:45:33 PM
At any rate it was Sput or Clen.  IMO they should jerk his vet license and suspend his trainers license for a yr min.  That's a blatant disregard for the rules.  I don't want to hear any shit about he didn't know.  He left the barn went to his trailer mixed it up and came back and fed to horse.  Everyone is told you can only feed from a brand new bag and you ARE NOT ALLOWED to bring anything in and feed to horse!  He knew what he was doing and they need to come down hard.
no arguement  I called for a stiff penalty 5 mins after I heard about it. He DOES know better and it is a very arrogant move.
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Post by: Brkn Headpole on September 22, 2023, 07:27:28 PM
Rumor is A Harris ratted out Doc for putting something in the feed.
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 07:43:02 PM
yup
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Chips N Salsa on September 22, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
no arguement  I called for a stiff penalty 5 mins after I heard about it. He DOES know better and it is a very arrogant move.

I just fell off the chair from shock and broke my back - Fugazzi agrees with me? No damn way his shit must be hacked like Trump Twitter account.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Fuguzzi on September 22, 2023, 08:00:53 PM
I just fell off the chair from shock and broke my back - Fugazzi agrees with me? No damn way his shit must be hacked like Trump Twitter account.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I dont go after you, it's the other way around
Title: Re: Post Race Backstretch Jug Chatter
Post by: Casualfan1 on September 23, 2023, 03:33:25 AM
Regarding Pierce, I remember 1 time he was driving my friend’s trotter at the Meadowlands a number of years ago.  His trainer, Bill Gallagher, told Pierce to pull the ear plugs at the top of the stretch.  We’re watching at the finish line, and the horse runs 4th, with the plugs still in as they go by the line.  When he brings the horse back, the plugs are out.

Bill says to Pierce “Why didn’t you pop the plugs?”
Pierce replies:  “what do you mean?  They’re out!”
The day before the Meadowlands Pace I ask an an old friend who was also friends with Pierce “does anyone have a chance of beating Somebeach”. He said I doubt but watch out for Ronnie he is the only guy who doesn’t know somebeach isn’t supposed to be beat. And Ronnie flat schooled Paul Mac. But my favorite was when he qualified a Trotter at the Big M  for me and he didn’t do so well. I ask Ronnie what he thought he said “I think it’s in his feet”. I said you think his feet are sore. He said no they don’t move fastest enough for here lmao.
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Post by: seen2much on September 23, 2023, 11:14:24 AM
I was with a friend who owned horses. Pierce was up at the Meadowlands. Ron talked to us for five minutes before the race. He could not have been nicer. The next week i did not go. My friend calls me & tells he talked with Pierce again. I asked how that went. He laughed & said Ron didn't remember him.
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