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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: theokodjak26 on September 16, 2023, 06:56:10 PM
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What a hole Pompano Park created when it closed for good two seasons ago. So many trainers and drivers have fell off the harness racing planet. With nowhere to race in Florida during the winter months do they revert to only training young horses in Florida at local training facilities? I am guessing horsepeople such as Andy Santeramo, Joe Sanzari, Bryce Fenn, Mickey McNichol have just quit or are doing other things. I am sure others have left the industry too or just rest their horses until the early spring.
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Looks like they will be going to buy some winter clothing!
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It sad what has happened in Florida!
The people of New Jersey who criticize Jeff Gural should take note on how he saved harness racing in New Jersey unless they’re satisfied racing for peanuts at freehold..
The New Jersey base trainer’s should take turns kissing that Jew’s ass for what he has done for them!
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True dat! tmbz1
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It sad what has happened in Florida!
The people of New Jersey who criticize Jeff Gural should take note on how he saved harness racing in New Jersey unless they’re satisfied racing for peanuts at freehold..
The New Jersey base trainer’s should take turns kissing that Jew’s ass for what he has done for them!
And what the hell does Gural’s religion have anything to do with any of this thread? There shouldn’t be any reason that someone’s religion, color or creed be included on Plop.
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Sunshine Meadows limited meet, Wally will dominate
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What a hole Pompano Park created when it closed for good two seasons ago. So many trainers and drivers have fell off the harness racing planet. With nowhere to race in Florida during the winter months do they revert to only training young horses in Florida at local training facilities? I am guessing horsepeople such as Andy Santeramo, Joe Sanzari, Bryce Fenn, Mickey McNichol have just quit or are doing other things. I am sure others have left the industry too or just rest their horses until the early spring.
I for one love it. Let those Florida cheaters starve or go work a regular job. Pompano was full of pond scum. Glad it’s finally bulldozed.
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Please elaborate Larry
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Please elaborate Larry
Every cheating stable the past twenty years came out of Florida. It wasnt like the old days when the class stables used to winter there. The past twenty years has odds on stables, bottom line racing, let it ride stables and all of the east coast and Canadian cheaters wintering in Florida. Glad to see pompano fold like a chair and fuck those horse killing fucks. Fishman headquarters is in Florida. Do your homework. Loaded with cheaters the past 20 years.
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And what the hell does Gural’s religion have anything to do with any of this thread? There shouldn’t be any reason that someone’s religion, color or creed be included on Plop.
So he’s a Jew so what?
Did you vote for Biden and his cackling idiot?
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Let’s assume Larry is correct and there was rampant cheating at Pompano. As a long time on track fan of Pompano I can’t recall any drug positives of consequence there. Was it because the management was too cheap to aggressively test? Was management overly concerned how it would look if they publicized cheating? I have no idea and will add I do not recall many fines of any kind for bad driving. I do recall a few suspensions of top guys for failing breathalyzer tests but that too wasn’t publicized. I had to ask the track photographers why a driver was missing and they usually knew. Any thoughts?
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Let’s assume Larry is correct and there was rampant cheating at Pompano. As a long time on track fan of Pompano I can’t recall any drug positives of consequence there. Was it because the management was too cheap to aggressively test? Was management overly concerned how it would look if they publicized cheating? I have no idea and will add I do not recall many fines of any kind for bad driving. I do recall a few suspensions of top guys for failing breathalyzer tests but that too wasn’t publicized. I had to ask the track photographers why a driver was missing and they usually knew. Any thoughts?
I asked the USTA why they virtually never had fines and suspensions in their weekly report, and was told pompano didn’t send them anything. It seemed any time someone was caught doing something illegal, they were just told to leave. Also, it seemed there never was a black box test.
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I asked the USTA why they virtually never had fines and suspensions in their weekly report, and was told pompano didn’t send them anything. It seemed any time someone was caught doing something illegal, they were just told to leave. Also, it seemed there never was a black box test.
Which is exactly why I said every cheater and scumbag went to winter in Florida. I hope they continue to aggressively shut down these harness tracks one by one. It’s impossible to catch the cheaters no matter how hard anyone tries. Even the olympians find a way around testing only to be caught later on and claim they didn’t know the Gatorade had some ingredient in it. Lmfao
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Harness racing has allowed itself to be run down and deserves nothing. I hope other states pull their subsidy plugs very soon.
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Harness racing has allowed itself to be run down and deserves nothing. I hope other states pull their subsidy plugs very soon.
Right with you on that seriously my horseplopper friend. Would love to see all of the remaining harness tracks be separated from the casinos and race for only what they generate. Hope it’s coming soon.
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Harness racing can not survive without government subsidies or casino dollars. Just look at the awful handles at many of these tracks. Want to kill something here without a gun? Eliminate all the support and harness racing will be gone in less than six months.
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Harness racing can not survive without government subsidies or casino dollars. Just look at the awful handles at many of these tracks. Want to kill something here without a gun? Eliminate all the support and harness racing will be gone in less than six months.
Let’s hope that happens. I would love to see what some of these people will do to earn a living. Just let them race for whatever handle they generate. Harness racing is no longer needed.
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Andy Santeramo is playing Poker with his colors on
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Florida, like Pennsylvania had the reputation for being the easiest place to get your license back and get a third or fourth or fifth chance....That's why people like Danny Ricco, Andy Santeramo, Richard Wojcio, Stevie Oliwa, Matt Romano and other Rogues Gallery members would be racing there and nowhere else.
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wouldnt want to leave out that prince of a man - George Napolitano jr.
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Which is exactly why I said every cheater and scumbag went to winter in Florida. I hope they continue to aggressively shut down these harness tracks one by one. It’s impossible to catch the cheaters no matter how hard anyone tries. Even the olympians find a way around testing only to be caught later on and claim they didn’t know the Gatorade had some ingredient in it. Lmfao
I guess Larry doesn’t know how expensive hay and feed were compared to other parts of the country as well as the expense of shipping back and forth. The purses were ok (nothing to brag about) and as an owner if you broke even racing there, you were a happy camper!! At least Gabe did his job and tried to get more handle! Even with ‘bigger handles’ you weren’t going to make your fortunes at the betting windows!
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Let’s hope that happens. I would love to see what some of these people will do to earn a living. Just let them race for whatever handle they generate. Harness racing is no longer needed.
Some people seem to forget that the casinos could only partner with the existing racetrack in order to operate. Unfortunately, the Pompano horsemen did not make a solid deal- both in % of casino handle and for length of duration of the deal.
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I asked the USTA why they virtually never had fines and suspensions in their weekly report, and was told pompano didn’t send them anything. It seemed any time someone was caught doing something illegal, they were just told to leave. Also, it seemed there never was a black box test.
I was there in the 80's, a few matters were cleared up by envelope across the street at the Banana Boat.
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I guess Larry doesn’t know how expensive hay and feed were compared to other parts of the country as well as the expense of shipping back and forth. The purses were ok (nothing to brag about) and as an owner if you broke even racing there, you were a happy camper!! At least Gabe did his job and tried to get more handle! Even with ‘bigger handles’ you weren’t going to make your fortunes at the betting windows!
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT POMPANO RACING LONG HAD A REPUTATION OF WHERE THE CHEMIST WOULD FLOCK TO GET THE DRUG SUPPLIES AND RACE A FEW OF THEIR HORSES AND THEN HEAD BACK EAST OR TO CANADA IN THE SPRING FULLY LOADED WITH THE LASTEST EXOTIC DRUGS TO TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE PURSE MONEY AT THE TRACK OF THEIR CHOICE. NOTHING GOOD CAME OUT OF FLORIDA HARNESS RACING EXPECT CHEATERS AND DRUGGIST WHO LEARNED HOW TO PRE-RACE AND HOW MUCH TO GIVE 3 DAYS OUT. THE PRICE OF HAY AND FEED WAS ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WHEREVER YOU GO. JOE RICCI WAS THE ONLY HOPE POMPANO EVER HAD AND, IN MY OPINION, GABE WAS HORRIBLE AND ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS FOR POMPANO TO GET LEVELLED. ITS CALLED KARMA. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND!! ONLT DIFFERENCE IS NOW THE CHEATERS HAVE TO PRERACE AND FREEZE THEIR ASSES OFF AND HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL BECAUSE THAT TUBE DOESNT BEND AS EASILY IN THE COLD WEATHER.
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Gabe Prewitt was horrible and the reason PPK died? Are you kidding or what. In the last 10 years he was the best thing that happened there, not even close. He promoted the heck out of the track. He single handily increased the PPk handle by a lot. The ancient mariner John Berry and Gabe formed a tremendous bond with their pre-program analysis. Plus they were very entertaining. Gabe was always inviting people like me to the top of the track to watch him call the races. What a view plus a chance to have some honest conversations about the races. If either Gabe or John had some time they would talk to all the fans on the apron of the track, or in John’s case the betting windows 😀. It wasn’t the facility that made the track a great place to visit. It was the people that began with Gabe Prewitt who used to say,”It’s another romp at the Pomp”. And we members of the “SenditIn Army” loved it all and miss it very much. If Gabe or John check in let me once again say hi from Ted in Boynton Beach.
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Gabe Prewitt was horrible and the reason PPK died? Are you kidding or what. In the last 10 years he was the best thing that happened there, not even close. He promoted the heck out of the track. He single handily increased the PPk handle by a lot. The ancient mariner John Berry and Gabe formed a tremendous bond with their pre-program analysis. Plus they were very entertaining. Gabe was always inviting people like me to the top of the track to watch him call the races. What a view plus a chance to have some honest conversations about the races. If either Gabe or John had some time they would talk to all the fans on the apron of the track, or in John’s case the betting windows 😀. It wasn’t the facility that made the track a great place to visit. It was the people that began with Gabe Prewitt who used to say,”It’s another romp at the Pomp”. And we members of the “SenditIn Army” loved it all and miss it very much. If Gabe or John check in let me once again say hi from Ted in Boynton Beach.
Theo is on this pone guys. No room for arguement. Good job Kodjak!
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Gabe Prewitt was horrible and the reason PPK died? Are you kidding or what. In the last 10 years he was the best thing that happened there, not even close. He promoted the heck out of the track. He single handily increased the PPk handle by a lot. The ancient mariner John Berry and Gabe formed a tremendous bond with their pre-program analysis. Plus they were very entertaining. Gabe was always inviting people like me to the top of the track to watch him call the races. What a view plus a chance to have some honest conversations about the races. If either Gabe or John had some time they would talk to all the fans on the apron of the track, or in John’s case the betting windows 😀. It wasn’t the facility that made the track a great place to visit. It was the people that began with Gabe Prewitt who used to say,”It’s another romp at the Pomp”. And we members of the “SenditIn Army” loved it all and miss it very much. If Gabe or John check in let me once again say hi from Ted in Boynton Beach.
ALL GABE DID DURING HIS TIME THERE WAS TOOT HIS OWN HORN AND WANTED THE PAT ON THE BACK. SORRY BUT I WOULD ALWAYS MUTE MY TV BECAUSE THE GUY IS SUCH AN ANNOYING CRYBABY. HE IS THE REASON WHY THE YOUNGER GENERATION HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA HATED BETTING ON THE RACES AND WOULD RATHER LOSE THERE MONEY IN THE CASINO. HE ONLY PROMOTED POMPANO WHEN HE COULD GET HIS NAME PROMOTED ALONGSIDE OF IT. HE COULDNT WAIT EVERY NIGHT TO KISS WALLYS ASS. INGRAHAM AND DETERS USED TO LAUGH AT THE SUCK UP.
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Gabe was always nice to us when we raced at pompano. He isnt the greatest announcer like mike Chamberlain but he wasn't bad either.
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ALL GABE DID DURING HIS TIME THERE WAS TOOT HIS OWN HORN AND WANTED THE PAT ON THE BACK. SORRY BUT I WOULD ALWAYS MUTE MY TV BECAUSE THE GUY IS SUCH AN ANNOYING CRYBABY. HE IS THE REASON WHY THE YOUNGER GENERATION HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA HATED BETTING ON THE RACES AND WOULD RATHER LOSE THERE MONEY IN THE CASINO. HE ONLY PROMOTED POMPANO WHEN HE COULD GET HIS NAME PROMOTED ALONGSIDE OF IT. HE COULDNT WAIT EVERY NIGHT TO KISS WALLYS ASS. INGRAHAM AND DETERS USED TO LAUGH AT THE SUCK UP.
This is one of the delusional posts I have ever seen on Plop. Gabe never tooted his own horn. In fact most of the time he would laugh at himself because of all the losers he picked. Gabe is the reason young people in South Florida didn’t bet harness? This is such nonsense I wouldn’t even know where to begin. How about the younger generation hated Gabe because his personal takeout was so high if you said hello to him? Give me a break. People just X out any negative nonsense about Gabe Prewitt.
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This is one of the delusional posts I have ever seen on Plop. Gabe never tooted his own horn. In fact most of the time he would laugh at himself because of all the losers he picked. Gabe is the reason young people in South Florida didn’t bet harness? This is such nonsense I wouldn’t even know where to begin. How about the younger generation hated Gabe because his personal takeout was so high if you said hello to him? Give me a break. People just X out any negative nonsense about Gabe Prewitt.
Law and Order with his caps lock is shouting again, but I don't hear him.
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Law and Order with his caps lock is shouting again, but I don't hear him.
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This is one of the delusional posts I have ever seen on Plop. Gabe never tooted his own horn. In fact most of the time he would laugh at himself because of all the losers he picked. Gabe is the reason young people in South Florida didn’t bet harness? This is such nonsense I wouldn’t even know where to begin. How about the younger generation hated Gabe because his personal takeout was so high if you said hello to him? Give me a break. People just X out any negative nonsense about Gabe Prewitt.
I can tell you that treat stohler and Marvin hate Gabe’s guts. I’m not exactly sure why but they both said very bad stuff about Gabe. Stohler said he will bust his head if he ever sees Gabe in public. Again I’m not sure why.
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I can tell you that treat stohler and Marvin hate Gabe’s guts. I’m not exactly sure why but they both said very bad stuff about Gabe. Stohler said he will bust his head if he ever sees Gabe in public. Again I’m not sure why.
Larry can you tell us who Treat and Marvin are and what relation they have to Gabe? Thank you
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Larry can you tell us who Treat and Marvin are and what relation they have to Gabe? Thank you
I thought he meant Trent Stohler.
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Whatever the correct names I still don’t know who they are tmbz1
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Larry can you tell us who Treat and Marvin are and what relation they have to Gabe? Thank you
Trainer Trent Stohler and Driver Marvin Luna
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Trot trainer In the 80s and 90s.
Marvin escapes me
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Trent Stohler trained extreme velocity. kinda downhill from there with positives and a recent DUI
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And these guys are supposed to move us to dislike Gabe Prewitt which includes a trainer with a DUI and got caught cheating. After all the good Gabe did at PPk? I’m sorry if I was a judge I would throw this case out of the courtroom.
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Trot trainer In the 80s and 90s.
Marvin escapes me
Sorry for my spelling but yes trainer Trent Stohler and Driver Marvin Luna who just won the last race at Hoosier do not like Gabe. Not sure of the reason why. Maybe another Hoosier horseplopper can tell us why.
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And these guys are supposed to move us to dislike Gabe Prewitt which includes a trainer with a DUI and got caught cheating. After all the good Gabe did at PPk? I’m sorry if I was a judge I would throw this case out of the courtroom.
2 thumbs up here, Theo
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And these guys are supposed to move us to dislike Gabe Prewitt which includes a trainer with a DUI and got caught cheating. After all the good Gabe did at PPk? I’m sorry if I was a judge I would throw this case out of the courtroom.
I didn’t know stohler got a dui? When did he get caught cheating. They love him at Hoosier. I don’t know this Luna guy but he don’t like Gabe for some reason. But maybe he was just saying that cause Stohler was sitting right there last week and he drives a lot of horses for him.
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Gabes mic energy and youth and Send It In strength really highlighted a couple seasons for me watching/wagering Pomp from later eve computer or phone. He breathed life into the whole show.
Thank you Gabe..He truly gave a9 sh#t about that joint's handle and carryovers and all else.
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2020 Betamethasone
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2 thumbs up here, Theo
tmbz1
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I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT POMPANO RACING LONG HAD A REPUTATION OF WHERE THE CHEMIST WOULD FLOCK TO GET THE DRUG SUPPLIES AND RACE A FEW OF THEIR HORSES AND THEN HEAD BACK EAST OR TO CANADA IN THE SPRING FULLY LOADED WITH THE LASTEST EXOTIC DRUGS TO TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE PURSE MONEY AT THE TRACK OF THEIR CHOICE. NOTHING GOOD CAME OUT OF FLORIDA HARNESS RACING EXPECT CHEATERS AND DRUGGIST WHO LEARNED HOW TO PRE-RACE AND HOW MUCH TO GIVE 3 DAYS OUT. THE PRICE OF HAY AND FEED WAS ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WHEREVER YOU GO. JOE RICCI WAS THE ONLY HOPE POMPANO EVER HAD AND, IN MY OPINION, GABE WAS HORRIBLE AND ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS FOR POMPANO TO GET LEVELLED. ITS CALLED KARMA. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND!! ONLT DIFFERENCE IS NOW THE CHEATERS HAVE TO PRERACE AND FREEZE THEIR ASSES OFF AND HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL BECAUSE THAT TUBE DOESNT BEND AS EASILY IN THE COLD WEATHER.
Please go and ask some trainers who will be staying warm down in South Florida about feed and hay prices compared to up north when they came down here last year. Also look into shipping bills when gas prices got out of hand. I saw a big difference as an owner in the bills coming to and leaving South Florida! Look before you leap on the price of feed between Florida and up north! FYI, the hay was lower quality than up north too.
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Shipping from NJ to South Fl. Averages about $1,000 each way. Training facility rent 30 to 50% higher. Grain + 25% and hay is out of sight.
The further South one goes to insure a “good” track is for the trainer and not the horses.
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Shipping from NJ to South Fl. Averages about $1,000 each way. Training facility rent 30 to 50% higher. Grain + 25% and hay is out of sight.
The further South one goes to insure a “good” track is for the trainer and not the horses.
I know a very high quality hay farmer from Charlotte, Vt near the Canadian border He sends 2 semi flatbeds to Fla early Dec. before the weather really kicks in. He says whether you break it out by the bale or ton, he is getting $27 per bale down there. Ouch!
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Trent Stohler trained extreme velocity. kinda downhill from there with positives and a recent DUI
A friend of mine today sId Trent was on,y the paper trainer on extreme velocity. The real trainer was Eric Ledford with the synthetic EPO.