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Title: You know you are old when?
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 17, 2023, 12:49:23 PM
Reading yesterday's results I saw that a certain eight year old gelding won a FFA trot.
I know that if you go back FIVE generations in this trotters pedigree you will find two of his great great great dams that I drove at Atlantic City in the early 70's.
That makes me old dam old.

Fuguzzi, I bet you can relate to this.

In the 80's I would go to the sales and in the catalog see horses in the first generation that I either owned, trained, drove, or raced against.
In the 90's it was the second generation.
In the 2000's it was the third generation.
In the 2010's it was the fourth generation.
Now I see horses in the fifth generation that I relate to.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Parked on August 17, 2023, 01:03:46 PM
2 things for sure if you are seeing 5 th generations. One, you are old and 2. the mares are not producing much..
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 17, 2023, 01:11:35 PM
2 things for sure if you are seeing 5 th generations. One, you are old and 2. the mares are not producing much..
Why saying not producing much.
Not producing now, but one of them produced a Hambo winner.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 01:34:47 PM
Reading yesterday's results I saw that a certain eight year old gelding won a FFA trot.
I know that if you go back FIVE generations in this trotters pedigree you will find two of his great great great dams that I drove at Atlantic City in the early 70's.
That makes me old dam old.

Fuguzzi, I bet you can relate to this.

In the 80's I would go to the sales and in the catalog see horses in the first generation that I either owned, trained, drove, or raced against.
In the 90's it was the second generation.
In the 2000's it was the third generation.
In the 2010's it was the fourth generation.
Now I see horses in the fifth generation that I relate to.
I hear you and sympathize!
Me, personally, I never had much luck at the sales. Devoted my time to claiming and private purchases.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: jupiter on August 17, 2023, 01:45:37 PM
I was at Monti june of 69, Nevele Pride and back for his retirement in Oct. Non betting race he crushed. they had security guards around him, mean mother fucker. I can go back 5 generations, different horses for sure, but they all got us here.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: RANDOLPH POKER on August 17, 2023, 01:56:30 PM
SPARKLING MISS?

SPARKLE PLENTY?

KASHAPLENTY?
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 02:38:11 PM
I was at Monti june of 69, Nevele Pride and back for his retirement in Oct. Non betting race he crushed. they had security guards around him, mean mother fucker. I can go back 5 generations, different horses for sure, but they all got us here.
Nevele pride - Sports Illustrated COVER! - He's maybe just a little mean. He would trot the Red Mile today in 47 flat - no doubt!
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Parked on August 17, 2023, 05:51:33 PM
Why saying not producing much.
Not producing now, but one of them produced a Hambo winner.
If they produced much the page would be full in a few generations. 
A quick look at Lexington catalog from the first day . 127 horses cataloged.  5 showed the 5 th generation and 17 showed just 2 generations. 
Not always good.  Moni Maker was a great, great race mare.  Had 10 foals. Produced just one racehorse.  International Moni. He made $775,000. 
So why is the catalog page filled over 1/3 with the races she won. Who cares ? Who reads allthat ?  Just breeders marketing the same as 50 years ago. 
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 17, 2023, 07:04:57 PM
If they produced much the page would be full in a few generations. 
A quick look at Lexington catalog from the first day . 127 horses cataloged.  5 showed the 5 th generation and 17 showed just 2 generations. 
Not always good.  Moni Maker was a great, great race mare.  Had 10 foals. Produced just one racehorse.  International Moni. He made $775,000. 
So why is the catalog page filled over 1/3 with the races she won. Who cares ? Who reads allthat ?  Just breeders marketing the same as 50 years ago.
Ok you got me. I was posting that I knew the ones in the fifth generation ,if the page went back that far.
I think most readers knew what I was saying, but yes I see your point.
As an example.
Fox Valley Redhot is maybe the best IL. broodmare ever. I am very familiar with her and her line of daughters.
If I go to an IL. sale and see a grand daughter of Fox Valley Redhot as the second dam, then I don't need to see Fox Valley Redhot on the pedigree page to know if you go back far enough it will be there.
I raced against Fox Valley Redhot long ago.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Mailbox Money on August 17, 2023, 08:22:40 PM
You know your old when you look at pedigrees and you see the horse's you drove & trained are the 3rd and 4th Dams babies! ngc3
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Mbdreamer on August 17, 2023, 09:20:22 PM
You know you’re old when you can say that you’ve been to more harness tracks that no longer exist than to tracks that are currently operating.  Oxford, Lewiston, Foxboro, Scarborough, Green Mountain, Rockingham, Pompano, sadly more names will be added in my lifetime.
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Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: rainman2 on August 17, 2023, 09:26:25 PM
You know you’re old when you can say that you’ve been to more harness tracks that no longer exist than to tracks that are currently operating.  Oxford, Lewiston, Foxboro, Scarborough, Green Mountain, Rockingham, Pompano, sadly more names will be added in my lifetime.
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When you live in South Florida it really hurts that Pompano is closed!  1 less option of live harness racing if you're a fan or an owner.  I haven't been there since closing night.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 09:48:59 PM
You know you’re old when you can say that you’ve been to more harness tracks that no longer exist than to tracks that are currently operating.  Oxford, Lewiston, Foxboro, Scarborough, Green Mountain, Rockingham, Pompano, sadly more names will be added in my lifetime.
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Agreed  Mine includes Roosevelt, Original Meadowlands, Scarborough, Foxboro, Rockingham, Liberty Bell, Freestate, Garden State Park, Brandywine, Rosecroft, Sprtsmans park, and on and on   too depressing
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Laag on August 17, 2023, 09:58:12 PM
Iris De Vandel...French trotter who won a bunch of Big M monday night 35K invitational  trots and had a track record of 1:55.1
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Jazzman on August 17, 2023, 11:00:35 PM
been to the jug 40 times
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: mtnskipper on August 18, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
 How about going to see Bret Hanover duel Cardigan Bay at RR or YR. I forget which one.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: comeonman on August 18, 2023, 10:44:05 AM
calvert ted wing and Jason j  jim king won the monday night trot many many times
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 18, 2023, 11:39:58 AM
calvert ted wing and Jason j  jim king won the monday night trot many many times
Not trying to be a jerk, but I think you are spelling the horse's name wrong.
Pathway lists only one Jim King. A FFA pacer of Bobby Decker's that I watched race many times in the 70's.
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: comeonman on August 18, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
Jim King was driver..either he trained or Elmer
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 18, 2023, 12:42:11 PM
Jim King was driver..either he trained or Elmer
Sorry!
My mistake!
Title: Re: You know you are old when?
Post by: theokodjak26 on August 18, 2023, 10:36:54 PM
Nevele Pride at MR 1969. I too was there. If I recall Dancer’s goal was to set the worlds record for a trotter on a half mile track. The race was a complete walkover as mentioned previously. Unfortunately the track wasn’t in peak condition due to some recent precipitation and Pride did not do what Stanley had hoped for. It was still great to be there to see a great trotter up close.
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