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Title: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Chips N Salsa on August 17, 2023, 12:56:35 AM
Top 10 Little Brown Jug Eligibles
Week #2 – August 16, 2023
1. It’s My Show (1:46.4; $604,215) – Last Week #1
Owner: Richard P. Young (FL) and Joanne Young (FL)
Trainer: Linda Toscano
Driver: Scott Zeron
2. Cannibal (1:48.1; $389,978) – Last Week #2
Owner: Diamond Creek Racing (PA)
Trainer: Nancy Takter
Driver: Yannick Gingras
3. Seven Colors (1:48.1h; $348,398) – Last Week #5
Owners: William A. Pollock (NJ), Bruce M. Areman (NJ) & Andrew S. Harris (NJ)
Trainer: Andrew Harris
Driver: Dexter Dunn
4. Voukefalas (1:48.1; $298,658) – Last Week #3
Owner: Michael N. Pagonas (NJ)
Trainer: Michael Russo
Driver: Jordan Stratton
5. Stockade Seelster (1:49.3s; $882,984) – Last Week #7
Owners: Sally A. MacDonald (PE) & Paul G. MacDonald (ON)
Trainer: Dr. Ian Moore
Drivers: Jody Jamieson
6. Redwood Hanover (1:49s; $209,939) – Last Week #4
Owners: Mac T. Nichol (ON), Anthony B. Beaton (ON), McKinlay & Fielding (ON) & David L. Mercer (NS)
Trainer: Anthony Beaton
Driver: James MacDonald
7. Hungry Angel Boy (1:48.2; $246,645) – Last Week #6
Owners: Alagna Racing (NJ), Pryde Stables (ON), Pit Bull Stable (NJ) & Brittany, Head, Riverview Racing
(KY)
Trainer: Tony Alagna
Driver: Todd McCarthy
8. Moment Is Here (1:49s; $286,278) – Last Week #10
Owners: Robert McIntosh Stables (ON), Al McIntosh Holdings (ON), Frank D. Baldachino (NJ) & Mardon
Stables (ON)
Trainer: Robert McIntosh
Driver: James MacDonald
9. Thunder Hunter Joe (1:49.2s; $177,716) – Last Week #8
Owners: David R. Hamm (DE), Glenn R. Phillips (DE), Christopher Giaccio (NY) & Devita Racing Stable (NY)
Trainer: Nicholas DeVita
Driver: Tyler Buter
10. Ammo (1:50.3f; $466,189) – Last Week #9
Owners: Val D’Or Farms (SC) & Theodore Gewertz (NY)
Trainer: Joe Holloway
Driver: David Miller
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: SeattleSlew on August 17, 2023, 02:28:55 AM
Those rankings are just for those eligible.  Confederate, or any other non-eligible can supplement any time before September 16 (5 days before the race!!)
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Parked on August 17, 2023, 07:38:21 AM
Its protection time for Confederate. 
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: dinkadoo on August 17, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
Its protection time for Confederate.
yep -- they're are multiple multiple millions waiting for him in the breeding shed.. Like printing money.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Generation XYZ on August 17, 2023, 08:40:43 AM
DONT RULE IT OUT YET!
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 08:44:01 AM
I am certainly not! Hope he is there!  My gut is Brett wants to be if it were solely up to him. The best 3 year old should be in the most important race at least by traditions standards before racing biggest crowd!
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Generation XYZ on August 17, 2023, 08:47:36 AM
I am certainly not! Hope he is there!  My gut is Brett wants to be if it were solely up to him. The best 3 year old should be in the most important race at least by traditions standards before racing biggest crowd!

Bowdens are funny people they wont pay supplemental money or spend in certain areas they should and waste money in areas they shouldn't. 
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 08:55:05 AM
My wife must be related to them!
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Ramone on August 17, 2023, 09:04:09 AM
I am certainly not! Hope he is there!  My gut is Brett wants to be if it were solely up to him. The best 3 year old should be in the most important race at least by traditions standards before racing biggest crowd!

If I had a monster horse he wouldn't go anyway near the Little Brown Jug. It's a bullring where a great horse can get beat up by a nobody.
Don't get me wrong. It's an iconic event that's tops for spectators. Less ideal for horses.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 09:21:46 AM
70s thru early 2000s virtually every great 3 year old showed up  colts and fillies  most won    check out 93 Jug for example   Not sure what you are talking about
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Generation XYZ on August 17, 2023, 09:39:31 AM
If I had a monster horse he wouldn't go anyway near the Little Brown Jug. It's a bullring where a great horse can get beat up by a nobody.
Don't get me wrong. It's an iconic event that's tops for spectators. Less ideal for horses.

So nobody's are showing up in 7 figure races now? Look at the purse my man.  That statement is a little off base.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Brown jug on August 17, 2023, 11:25:44 AM
as i said there are a million reasons to show up
quite frankly if you think your horse has a shot giddyup
even if it starches him and he is not great for the balance of the year
for example for those eligible the kss final goes for $400k and the breeders crown for $600 k so if you can win both you get same as winning the jug
and maybe just maybe the horse is ok and can with stand the 2 heats as hundreds of others have done in the past and do well after it
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 17, 2023, 11:28:15 AM
 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: LUCPARK on August 17, 2023, 11:39:32 AM
  SCARED OF 7 COLORS ?
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 17, 2023, 12:18:24 PM
I want to see Pelling at The Jug.
Maybe get a good quote.
Remember when his driver took off a Pelling colt in the final.
When asked about catch drivers Pelling said
"We just bring them to the dance we don't have to dance with them".
I can't remember the year or the driver that took off.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Stan durbread on August 17, 2023, 03:45:05 PM
So nobody's are showing up in 7 figure races now? Look at the purse my man.  That statement is a little off base.
Don’t look at the purse. Look at what it cost to be eligible. Watch the Eliminations over the last 20 years and you will see a ton of unknowns enter and a few screwed the better horses out of a decent starting spot in the final
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Parked on August 17, 2023, 05:06:26 PM
No stake race should have supplemental entries.  Pay your money and take your chances.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: comeonman on August 17, 2023, 05:18:32 PM
1997  shady charactor.....lac hance won leg one . Picked off final... ron pierce picked up drive and won final..
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 17, 2023, 07:21:13 PM
1997  shady charactor.....lac hance won leg one . Picked off final... ron pierce picked up drive and won final..
That sounds right. I thought Pierce was involved, but I couldn't remember just how.
Hay you are good!
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Generation XYZ on August 17, 2023, 08:18:24 PM
He'll be there. They are prepping him for heat racing now.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Cboyle on August 18, 2023, 05:33:28 PM
It was also posted Confederate was not going to be in Pocono. We will see who is in the race when it comes time to enter.
Where did you see this?
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: augustaandy on August 20, 2023, 07:24:03 PM
if he wants to be thought of as a top, top stallion by everyone, gotta dance at this dance, especially the way Timmy has been taking care of him all year

the horse has barely broken a sweat and it's a huge purse
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 20, 2023, 08:07:54 PM
if he wants to be thought of as a top, top stallion by everyone, gotta dance at this dance, especially the way Timmy has been taking care of him all year

the horse has barely broken a sweat and it's a huge purse
My 50 years in the game has taught me nothing and I am his biggest fan in the world and badly want to see him go to the Jug...So, explain to me how going to the Jug and hopefully winning it increases his stud value? If he quit today, they could print millions with him for years
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: shotgunner on August 20, 2023, 09:06:23 PM
My 50 years in the game has taught me nothing and I am his biggest fan in the world and badly want to see him go to the Jug...So, explain to me how going to the Jug and hopefully winning it increases his stud value? If he quit today, they could print millions with him for years

It’s the difference between being a 12k stud and a 20k stud.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: augustaandy on August 20, 2023, 10:22:37 PM
My 50 years in the game has taught me nothing and I am his biggest fan in the world and badly want to see him go to the Jug...So, explain to me how going to the Jug and hopefully winning it increases his stud value? If he quit today, they could print millions with him for years




in my opinion it shows the owners aren't afraid of any other horse and he can race on any size surface if they go but if they don't go it shows they may be perceived as ducking the race, not to mention a slap in the face to the good fans in Ohio

I remember the days that the best horses would race anyone anywhere

Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Fuguzzi on August 21, 2023, 02:04:15 AM
Agree with your points essentially. Just missing how a given race really affects stud fee when he in particular already has and will continue to do so much. Again, I would love to see him go and feel wholeheartedly he should.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: shotgunner on August 21, 2023, 09:01:28 AM
Agree with your points essentially. Just missing how a given race really affects stud fee when he in particular already has and will continue to do so much. Again, I would love to see him go and feel wholeheartedly he should.
Besides being the biggest race purse wise and still big name wise, it’s his only real shot to hit the 2 mil milestone. He wins it and runs the table, he’ll command a 25k stud fee next year.
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: Brown jug on August 21, 2023, 11:02:40 AM
captaintreacherou s never raced in the jug, seems to have done fine
having said that would love to see confederate there
Title: Re: Little Brown Jug - No Confederate
Post by: helpplease on August 21, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
captaintreacherous never raced in the jug, seems to have done fine
having said that would love to see confederate there

And his sire did (Somebeachsomewher e) not go & it did not hurt him in the breeding shed I would say.
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