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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: toothman on August 06, 2023, 05:04:22 PM
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Not for nothing, wouldn't yesterday have been a good day for him and Brett Miller to show what theyve got?
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He did a pretty good job of doing that a few weeks ago at 31-1 going for 400k at the big M! 11.wp
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Charlie May got screwed !!!!!!
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Charlie May got screwed !!!!!!
It's not over until it's over. It won't be done until it's done! tmbz1
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Charlie May got screwed !!!!!!
It’s done.
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Dan Patch?
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Tiger stated in an interview that the remainder of the season will be in Ohio and Indiana.
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Seems like a long way to go to qualify if he wasn't going to race out east.
Struggles at the top level in Ohio anymore.
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that ugly small eared fuck owner took him from carter.
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You sure he juts didn't send for Borgata?
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Cushing? That is a surprising move
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Cushing has the horse. Whatever happened with the Trazodone positive test she had?
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that ugly small eared fuck owner took him from carter.
I've spoken with Don a couple times and found him to be a very nice person. I met Carter once many years ago and personally i thought he was a blowhard. He seems to be a good trainer but his attitude didn't impress me in the least.
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Seems like a long way to go to qualify if he wasn't going to race out east.
Struggles at the top level in Ohio anymore.
Sometimes he's done better on the east coast. Scioto and Dayton have some pretty tough horses on the top end. Hasn't he made over 2 million and that's without the big Meadowlands purse which he should have gotten?
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Hey I love the horse. Just stating a fact with his reason history in Ohio. Yes , you are
right. He HAS won over $2m, and has had a great career. He did race at Plainridge last
year but they don't open for like 50 days, Maybe that Yonker's series is the answer to the
question as to why he qualified at Pocono. His owner Tiger does live in Pa. but western.
Several tracks would be closer.
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I’m sure he is out there for Borgata
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No reason to doubt it. Just strange, that if they thought it was good fit,
that he hasn't, to my knowledge, raced in it before.
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I know Don Tiger has always been the owner, but do you recall if he was listed as the "lessee" because in the chart for his qualifier he is?
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Didn't catch that. Good eye. I've followed the horse pretty much every start
of his career and never recall seeing that.
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Turns out, NOT such a good eye. If you look , it's listed like that on every horse, every race.
Says owners- lessees on them all. So 'HE'S the only owner, I would say confidently.
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Carter is sharper than Cushing. Carter can butter one up.
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I remember Carter clear back when Belcher ruled. Way back when they did afternoon
and then evening cards at Nfld. Was mainly a driver then.
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Turns out, NOT such a good eye. If you look , it's listed like that on every horse, every race.
Says owners- lessees on them all. So 'HE'S the only owner, I would say confidently.
You're right! I only looked at his chart, but after looking at the charts for all the winners it does say owners-lessees, my bad!
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I know Don Tiger has always been the owner, but do you recall if he was listed as the "lessee" because in the chart for his qualifier he is?
Tiger is the breeder. He would never sell that horse. He would put the old lady out before he put the horse out.
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Carter is sharper than Cushing. Carter can butter one up.
Apparently he like to put butter on everything...he needs a personal treadmill...
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I've spoken with Don a couple times and found him to be a very nice person. I met Carter once many years ago and personally i thought he was a blowhard. He seems to be a good trainer but his attitude didn't impress me in the least.
You might be the only person in Ohio that doesn’t like Carter. I doubt he will be as good for his new connections.
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In on the 1st at Pocono, $25k winners over. Purple Jesus listed [and Cushing] Cushing trainer. Short field six hole of six horses.
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After two no-try touring trips in feature at Pocono with Purple Jesus, he drops a
level with Cushing up and goes gate to wire in 1:49.1 at even $$. Tuning up nicely. tmbz1
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Dan Patch?
No fur patch idiot.
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In tonight[4-hole] in first division of leg one of the Borgata series. Tricky spot with that Chase H
inside of him. Not too many getting around him out of the if he's driven hard. If Purple Jesus
doesn't leave though, risks being boxed or first up. If he does leave, he easily could get stung
hard or worse yet, hung the mile. My guess is he'll maneuver into the rail 3rd and just ride it
in this first leg.
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Had his trip pegged...forced to take a seat in 3rd. Was able to sit till heading to 3/4. Never seriously
threatened Chase H, who was waiting on him. Just not the horse he once was. Held for 4th. Hope
I'm wrong and he bounces back strong. Will probably make some good $ in this series but don't see him as a threat to win it.
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Not the same horse he was 2 years ago, and unless he draws well in a softer division, will be hard pressed to make the finals.
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Never was really that good. Had a couple of flashes of potential stardom but never lived up to it.
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better call stevie back up. hope he tales him back. he has the keys.
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Ron Cushing is back driving him in the 2nd leg next Monday. He's got the 2 hole in the 9th race in a field of 2 winners from last week.
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Don't need a program to predict that he'll leave all he can, find the rail then suck
along and ride the duration. Build up points, plus he don't like the wind like he used to.
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The rail horse Verdun who won last week from far back is not fast out of the gate, so I think Cushing goes down the road like he did at Pocono because there's not alot of speed in the race.
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If he does, he'll need life insurance in the stretch with that Verdun and that Mossdale horse
from down under who is really coming on. He's probably quick enough to get around the one
but they'll be at least one and I'll predict two get around him out of the gate, especially
with Cushing on him.
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Never was really that good. Had a couple of flashes of potential stardom but never lived up to it.
???????????????? Are you talking about Charlie????? The horse has made over $2million. What would you classify as a top caliber horse?
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???????????????? Are you talking about Charlie????? The horse has made over $2million. What would you classify as a top caliber horse?
Would have 2.6 if not DQ in Meadowlands pace. We all should be as lucky as Tiger who bred this horses from nothing.
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The rail horse Verdun who won last week from far back is not fast out of the gate, so I think Cushing goes down the road like he did at Pocono because there's not alot of speed in the race.
ZERO CHANCE Cushing gets over Verdun. ZERO
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ZERO CHANCE? You sound pretty sure of yourself, are you Pat Lachance? I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to, I know he's going to try, but giving it ZERO chance of happening means you think Verdun is going to park the field, which would be a big change in tactics for such an unaggressive driver.
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i think charlie is better off the pace.
maybe cushing better call fishman to see what gets through at yonkers and what doesnt.
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ZERO CHANCE? You sound pretty sure of yourself, are you Pat Lachance? I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to, I know he's going to try, but giving it ZERO chance of happening means you think Verdun is going to park the field, which would be a big change in tactics for such an unaggressive driver.
Patrick can be aggressive as anyone, especially from the rail. At Yonkers, pace battles are rare and a high percentage of the time there is a hole for those who abort leave attempts. Plus there are quite a few horses with no speed in the race. Janelle Granny, Racing Rampage, Mossdale Ben N, etc.
Verdun has back races where he has left like a jet. (Go back and watch his replays after Lachance claimed him) This is a former claimer who has been a different horse since being claimed from Travis Alexander where he was previously owned by the Davis family of DE. They have to be sick to see the improvement in the horse.
I expect Bongiorno's horse, Typhoon Banner N, to leave the gate, though he has not been good. But he can leave really fast. Aardies Flash will try to leave with Bartlett from the far outside. But Charlie May getting over Verdun, I can't see it happening.
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I do Verdun from Dover, he was locally owned by the Mulligan and Calcutta stables, and trained by Jason Johnson, Allan Davis was his regular driver. I do expect Bongiorno's horse to try leaving, but if Verdun bangs the rail and Cushing also tries to leave, he'll be forced to take back.
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I see Purple Jesus is up after all tonight. I still think he will be sucking along the rail hoping for points.
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Always liked Chalie best closing. ice try and drive by DM. Went inside plyon top of stretch
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Well he DID get around Verdun out of the gate. Nice drive by Miller, Just too good of
a trip for that Mossdale horse. Still showed signs of life. Picked up some needed pts.
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I think he looked good. Agree with bello he is better off the pace, but 2 hole on a half mile track you gotta try and go to the top..Miller used him twice within the first quarter. Used a little at the start and came away 3rd and used again to go to the top.
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Thought he ran credible tonight, but will be hard pressed to make the finals without winning at least one leg, or maybe 2, or some 2nd place finishes, where he's probably overmatched anyway.
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I can think of 3 or 4 who are easily better or at least in better form right now.
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Not sure why so many are critical of this horse. Solid effort last night and certainly belongs with these
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Mostly we are fans, not critical. Everyones favorite underdog. I had him when Brett Miller was erroneously taken down at the big M. Been following him ever since.
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He ran good last night but unless he wins at least one leg will never make the finals, but I do think they have a consolation for good money.
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Mostly we are fans, not critical. Everyones favorite underdog. I had him when Brett Miller was erroneously taken down at the big M. Been following him ever since.
The worst take down I've ever seen, as much of a fan of Mark Macdonald as I am it was ridiculous
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Gingras's horse Southwind Gendry cleared make a quick break in front of Charlie May causing him to interfere with horses behind him, can't believe the judges didn't see it. The DQ was ultimately overturned a few years later. Speaking of Charlie May, he drew outside post 7 in his elimination next Monday night and basically has no shot.
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Good news and bad news for Tiger + Charlie...Good news he drew in away from the big guns.
Bad news, his luck ran out on the draws as he got the seven hole out of seven for the next leg.
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Huntinthelastdola r may not be one of the big guns, but he does have a win and second in the first 2 legs, and drew just inside of Charlie May, and has good gate speed which may discourage Miller from leaving.
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Charlie is being pointed towards the consolation
He could win it
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I'm not so sure he will outright leave from post 7 but he might leave for forward position and try and work out a second over trip. I think he is better off the pace. His division was the second fastest last week and he was used pretty hard at the start and the early quarter move. As far as the final or consolation goes, as we all know post draw will mean everything
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Left hard from 7 hole with Stratton picking up the drive. Three wide briefly. Made the top with the eventual
winner, Huntnthelast dollar taking over in 26.1. Followed along in the pocket to the top of the stretch.
Stratton cost him a possible 2nd by leaving the rail in the stretch. Ended up third. Mile went 1:52.1.
Other divisions: Verdun impressive. Blasted to the front. Gave way to favored Desperate Man . Followed
till the stretch, then blew by in 1:51.3. Desperate Man folded to third.
2nd division Uninspiring field and race. Himself Bartlett in 1:52.3.
Last division: Coach's Corner[Bartlett] carved it with soft fractions . Mossdale Ben[Stratton] came calling at 3/4.
Tried his ass off but soft fractions cost him. Mile in a 'VERY' impressive 1:50.4 for Coach's Corner.
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Got one last gasp try to get enough points. Drew the 3 hole in a six horse field [horses obviously keep dropping out].
In against Himself [a winner this week] and Mossdale Ben [as impressive as any horse in the series] Cushing listed.
He did draw inside of them but don't see him holding that Mossdale Ben off no matter how the race plays out.