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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: rainman2 on July 26, 2023, 07:55:25 PM
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there are no discussions/plans to build/modify a track to a 7/8 or a 1 mile track? Would be great competition to Indiana and Pennsylvania to see who would breed/race there!
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there are no discussions/plans to build/modify a track to a 7/8 or a 1 mile track? Would be great competition to Indiana and Pennsylvania to see who would breed/race there!
Say what??? Diamond Creek, Hanover Shoe Farms are a few that have been breeding there the past 7 years. Where have you been?
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Say what??? Diamond Creek, Hanover Shoe Farms are a few that have been breeding there the past 7 years. Where have you been?
Sorry, I don't pay that close attention to this. I did my 'one time' breeding of horses years ago.
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Sorry, I don't pay that close attention to this. I did my 'one time' breeding of horses years ago.
Just saying. Takter sent and is partners in many standing in Ohio as well.
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spinning their wheels until the get a 7/8 or mile track
very poor leadership to not have one by now or one planned
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spinning their wheels until the get a 7/8 or mile track
very poor leadership to not have one by now or one planned
new track or remodeling one still currently racing?
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how necessary is it? Pennsylvania doesn’t have one
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how necessary is it? Pennsylvania doesn’t have one
Ohio racing was 'dead in the water' until the VLT'S saved it! FYI, Pennsylvania racing has gone downhill over the years too! New York only has 1 'big track' and that track is 'near extinction'. New York racing only thrives because of the VLT'S, while the Sires Stakes program is in shambles (just like harness racing). The problem with Indiana is that it is Hoosier or bust outside the fairs!
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Ohio has been growing for 10 years. Its the dominate state to harness race in. KY is starting to flourish but not quite there. When you rely on VLTS to bolster purse funds. its a short term fix to a dying industry.
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pennsylvania going down the tubes but still has quality sires, especially on the pacing side
kentucky will dominate in 3 years or less
for ohio i would remodel dayton just based on location
when we talk about a big track it is for the gamblers not necessarily the horseman or the sires programs
to attract big $$ you cant race on halfs or even 5/8
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pennsylvania going down the tubes but still has quality sires, especially on the pacing side
kentucky will dominate in 3 years or less
for ohio i would remodel dayton just based on location
when we talk about a big track it is for the gamblers not necessarily the horseman or the sires programs
to attract big $$ you cant race on halfs or even 5/8
I dont think Hollywood Casino agrees. They built Dayton and Mahoning Valley about 5 years apart and in duplicate. They have the model down every where.
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I apologize if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that when Miami Valley and then Dayton Raceway were built the OHHA and Ohio Racing Commission tried to get a mile or 7/8 mile track built but the owners (casinos) refused. One said they did not have enough land for such a track. Anybody remember this?
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Ohio does not need a mile track. The breeders love the blistering marks on the smaller tracks,especially Nfld when the pylons come in a foot when they have Stakes races. In Ohio you go fast or stay home.Making money is no longer an art,it's a SCIENCE now.! In more ways than one.
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good points and you are not wrong
but again this is based on breeders , owners etc viewpoint
relatively inexpensive horses going for big money
but no respect for the gambling side and how to grow it
so i guess as long as they have no desire or need to grow the wagering part than its all good
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good points and you are not wrong
but again this is based on breeders , owners etc viewpoint
relatively inexpensive horses going for big money
but no respect for the gambling side and how to grow it
so i guess as long as they have no desire or need to grow the wagering part than its all good
With the upswing in Ohio racing as well as the downswing of Pennsylvania and Indiana, the days of the relatively inexpensive horses racing for big money could be coming to an end. This will not preclude the small/1 time breeders that will be chasing their dreams.
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Ok so what benefits are there to the bettors having a 7/8 over 5/8?? Hoosier barely does more in handle than Northfield
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again a valid point
clearly the bigger track the more chances you have especially from outside posts and hopefully 10 horses per race to deliver bigger payouts
i cant answer about hoosier, honestly i hate that track , i dont know if it is the way it is configured or the turns but most times the racing sucks
however it is clear that when you get the best horses and drivers on a big track the handle significantly jumps ( big m and even mohawk)
but if ohio is going to continue to drive its sires program a bigger track helps, kind of tough to pay your money and have a decent horse but you get the outside at northfield once or twice and your sires stakes year is likely toast
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breeders dont breed for track size they breed to make profits the oval description means zero to a breeder.
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breeders dont breed for track size they breed to make profits the oval description means zero to a breeder.
It helps that these stud horses have fast marks and generally speaking that bigger ovals make faster winning times!
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It helps that these stud horses have fast marks and generally speaking that bigger ovals make faster winning times!
Its a matter of personal preference. Its easy to convert a fast mile on a half to equate to a big track mile.
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With the upswing in Ohio racing as well as the downswing of Pennsylvania and Indiana, the days of the relatively inexpensive horses racing for big money could be coming to an end. This will not preclude the small/1 time breeders that will be chasing their dreams.
Perhaps it's time for someone to try a new approach! What about a small half mile track with limited classes? Maybe be something like n/w of 1,2,3 with the rest being claiming 4k,5k,7.5k&10k! Something like this would give the mediocre horse someplace to race while keeping the good ones from being able to "steal" a race. They could call it "Mini-Maine"!