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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LUCPARK on July 23, 2023, 08:47:05 PM
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Old days at sportsman and Maywood
Every teller had a hot horse every race tmbz1
Old days have been replaced by I phones
Ploppers
Any good teller stories out there ?
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Glory days at YR/RR it went from the paddock, to the judges upstairs to mutuel supervisors to the tellers and clerks At YR Louie the cop at the paddock gate helped out alot
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Which were top 3 drivers who fixed races at yr n rr
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Which era? The great scandal of 73? Or later? Specify
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There was a teller at Hazel Park that I would avoid, He Always punched in the wrong numbers. One day I was in a longer line and no one was in His and He says to me come on and actually put in the correct numbers...POS.
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i hear the PEI track Charlottetown having heck of a time getting enough quality tellers most old guard gone..young one dont get all of our horse ticket mumbo jumbo = mistakes.
good luck to them.
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40yrs ago at DRC in was in line with a guy known for handling the betting for "fishy" races. When I got to the window I told his regular teller " I want the same tickets and numbers you just punched for Bob,she says "You don't have enough money, besides you aren't worth dying for "!
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Mailbox Money
LOL
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Top 3 drivers who played games rr yr 70s and 80s
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70s and 80s yonkers and rr
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ill leave tellers for a moment..
BLUE BONNETS MONTREAL
70'S
ran into 'boiler room op' in the hallway on a Sunday at BBR....guy came up to me and my friend telling us the #5 couldnt lose.
we then heard him tell guy sitting a few feet from us #6 couldnt lose...and then he went further down the hallway talking briefly to others,,,etc.
Well, race over, #6 the winner....the 'tipster' came back to guy sitting feet from us and told him 'gimme ten bucks and ill tell ya whos gonna win next one too'
didnt get money...moved on. miss those kinda characters....any still around???
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70s and 80s yonkers and rr
Gilmour/Webster/McNutt (all three now deceased)
ONLY MY OPINION (of course)
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Well early 70s Carmine Insko Buddy Coco MeNutt Peter Gerry, the whole crew were indicted for race fixing - none convicted. You had the riots at both HY tracks. At Monti - Larry Rolla was trying to fix everything along with Ronny Ingrassia, Joe Ridcco, Joe Romano, John Gilmour et al. By the 80s Rejean Daigneault was the kingpin using many satelite barns as well as his own powerful stable - other drivers involved included Buddy, Jimmy Marohn, Joe Marsh Jr. Rejean had interests in many barns including Sarama, Lare, Mcardle, Tremblay He loved betting exactas using him and Sarama Early 80s at RR the goal was 30k a night split between 7 inner circle drivers using buddy's bagman. they would often meet post races at Gamwah
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About 20 year or so ago, a real sharp player with inside access came up to me. He had a pile of those old school, dot matrix paper (the green and white sheets) with all the results from the races going back a while. His "theory" was showing me how many times the leading driver ran 3rd in the superfecta races. This was when they didn't have a super in every race. Then he had circled how often the driver ran 3rd in the last race. It was like 52% of the races!
He never came right out and called the driver a cheat or race fixer, but the stats were 100% accurate and verifiable.
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interesting. On 2 different occasions the person driving my horse told me in the paddock lined up to go out we were going to finish 4th and each time that's EXACTLY where we finished. one was Herve, the other was Gary Mosher. Herve was on a trotter, Gary a pacer.
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I remembered Jocelyn Tremblay..he had stable next to Jeffrey dauplaise.
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Jocelyn was a nice man and decent trainer. He was in my barn at YR after they had to relocate. Denis Gingras was in that barn too. He was denintely a satelite barn of Rejean's. That's not to say he couldnt function on his own. turned out he lived in the same condo complex as i did. Miss those days
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Many years ago, I went to Freestate Raceway one night and went up to the teller and ask for a 10 dollar win ticket on number 2. After I walked away, I noticed he gave me 10 to win on number 7, I went back to him to tell him of the error, I got shut out before I could get back to his window. While the race was going off, I told him, and he said just watch the race and I'll be happy with the mistake he made. Long story short. The 7 won and paid 52 dollars to win!. I gave him 100 bucks and we were both happy and laugh about it often when i went back to his window.
100% true story!
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Have heard stuff like that Great it worked out for u
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Years ago in the 60s and 70s at YR/RR the top drivers were supposed to have betting runners. If a top driver wanted to lay down a bet the runner would head to the drivers car where they would remove their hubcaps to get the cash to bet. Now I have no idea if this was true but the stories floated there for years.
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Years ago in the 60s and 70s at YR/RR the top drivers were supposed to have betting runners. If a top driver wanted to lay down a bet the runner would head to the drivers car where they would remove their hubcaps to get the cash to bet. Now I have no idea if this was true but the stories floated there for years.
They kept their cash under hubcaps?
Why not in their pocket?
Wouldn't that be easier?
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Years ago in the 60s and 70s at YR/RR the top drivers were supposed to have betting runners. If a top driver wanted to lay down a bet the runner would head to the drivers car where they would remove their hubcaps to get the cash to bet. Now I have no idea if this was true but the stories floated there for years.
I have never seen or heard anything about cash in the hubcaps other than two incidents of French Canadian gambling drivers Henri Filion and Mike Lachance each being stopped crossing into Canada with more than the allowable 10k in cash and both times the money was in truck/trailer hubcaps I guess anything is possible
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They kept their cash under hubcaps?
Why not in their pocket?
Wouldn't that be easier?
Come on Calhoun , the exaggerated stories are much more interesting than reality.. My gambling horseman buddies just kept their bankrolls in rubber bands stuffed in their pockets or socks.
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Come on Calhoun , the exaggerated stories are much more interesting than reality.. My gambling horseman buddies just kept their bankrolls in rubber bands stuffed in their pockets or socks.
Keeping cash in truck and trailer hubcaps is NOT uncommon like i said they often tried moving cash cross the border that way
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awhile back there used to be a teller at hawthorne that was a really short guy with a glass eye. Always give me the wrong number on purpose and then when I would catch it he had something smart to say. One night I was buried and not in a good mood and I end up at his window and hes sitting on a wooden bar stool punching tickets. I give him my bet and he punshes the wrong number and I look at the ticket and throw it on on the counter and tell him you heard what the fuck I said now cancel it and give me my right number. He says fuck you so I took a swing and hit him right below his glass eye and knocked him off the wooden stool he was sitting on behind the counter. Security came and needless to say I got arrested. Lol the bastard never gave me a wrong number again. JF
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of course he never gave you a wrong ticket again. After your arrest you must have been barred for life. You certainly should have been
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of course he never gave you a wrong ticket again. After your arrest you must have been barred for life. You certainly should have been
How do you figure I should of been barred for life when the jackoff was doing that shit to me on purpose? I did get a $500 fine and 40 hours of community service. When youre doing shit like that to someone on purpose and its not a mistake you deserve to get your ass beat. JF
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I thought you were going to tell us the guy was hiding cash behind his glass eye! I will tell you that there is a teller in the Saratoga Raceway simulcast on the 2nd floor who regularly tried to short change me. I finally went to their management and told them. I don’t think they did much. The guy still works there as of a few years ago.
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The tellers and cashiers at Pompano in the 60's were always trying to short change.
Example,
Say you are cashing a ticket for $29.80
He would snap down a ten followed by three fives, and three ones.
Then slide over two quarters.
Look to the guy behind you and say next.
There use to be $6 dollar combine tickets.
Say you buy two $6 tickets with a twenty.
Teller lays down your two tickets. Snaps down a five and two singles and looks up for the next guy.
Watched a teller do that to the guy ahead of me.
I asked the teller "How much to you make doing that"?
He hesitated then mumbled
"MORE THEN YOU WOULD BELIEVE".
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One final story on this topic from me…About 1992 I flew to Miami for a 3-day business meeting at the Doral Hotel. I got in early so I went over to Flagler Dogs. Around race #4 I boxed 3-4-6 exacta for $2.00, $12.00 total. After most of the field imploded around the first turn I was left with two of my dogs way ahead and finished 3-4. The payout appears and it was over $7,500!! I took the entire exacta pool with the only winning combination. Now I go to collect and the teller says if I gave him 10% he wouldn’t have to report the winnings to the IRS. I have no idea how that could happen but I declined. I was afraid he was undercover or something and just ask for the net amount, they took out 20% back then, and I got a check. When I got back north a few friends this was a common tactic in those days. Has any other Plopper heard of this from years ago?
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Nope never heard of that tactic, but I totally believe you.
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One final story on this topic from me…About 1992 I flew to Miami for a 3-day business meeting at the Doral Hotel. I got in early so I went over to Flagler Dogs. Around race #4 I boxed 3-4-6 exacta for $2.00, $12.00 total. After most of the field imploded around the first turn I was left with two of my dogs way ahead and finished 3-4. The payout appears and it was over $7,500!! I took the entire exacta pool with the only winning combination. Now I go to collect and the teller says if I gave him 10% he wouldn’t have to report the winnings to the IRS. I have no idea how that could happen but I declined. I was afraid he was undercover or something and just ask for the net amount, they took out 20% back then, and I got a check. When I got back north a few friends this was a common tactic in those days. Has any other Plopper heard of this from years ago?
It was very common with guys just hanging around the windows after a big triple and they would sign for you and cash your ticket for the 10%.
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Good info guys
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Kinda teller related--
'78 Yonkers Friday night -- The place is packed. I'm on line to bet a Double, two guys in front of me -- Long Hair at the window -- Jittery chain smoker in front of me. 2 minutes to post -- Long Hair seems to be betting every possible combination. Jittery is rocking on his heels -- checking for an alternative window -- no such luck. 1 minute to post -- Long Hair is still punching -- now the verbals from Jittery -- "C'mom, c'mon, let's go, let's go. Long hair is still punching. Jittery unravels a pack of Camels from his t-shirt sleeve and lights one. Now they're at the gate -- Jittery screams -- "C'mon!" Long Hair is unfazed, still punching. Jittery flips his lighter and lights the back of Long Hair's hair. Long Hair exits the line screaming, racing through the grandstand trying to put out his hair. Jittery makes his bet and scampers off. I make my bet 2 seconds before getting shut out. I went back the next night -- place still reeked of burnt hair. Funny how you remember things.
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Kinda teller related--
'78 Yonkers Friday night -- The place is packed. I'm on line to bet a Double, two guys in front of me -- Long Hair at the window -- Jittery chain smoker in front of me. 2 minutes to post -- Long Hair seems to be betting every possible combination. Jittery is rocking on his heels -- checking for an alternative window -- no such luck. 1 minute to post -- Long Hair is still punching -- now the verbals from Jittery -- "C'mom, c'mon, let's go, let's go. Long hair is still punching. Jittery unravels a pack of Camels from his t-shirt sleeve and lights one. Now they're at the gate -- Jittery screams -- "C'mon!" Long Hair is unfazed, still punching. Jittery flips his lighter and lights the back of Long Hair's hair. Long Hair exits the line screaming, racing through the grandstand trying to put out his hair. Jittery makes his bet and scampers off. I make my bet 2 seconds before getting shut out. I went back the next night -- place still reeked of burnt hair. Funny how you remember things.
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Did your bet win? Sometimes getting shut out is the best thing that can happen.
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One final story on this topic from me…About 1992 I flew to Miami for a 3-day business meeting at the Doral Hotel. I got in early so I went over to Flagler Dogs. Around race #4 I boxed 3-4-6 exacta for $2.00, $12.00 total. After most of the field imploded around the first turn I was left with two of my dogs way ahead and finished 3-4. The payout appears and it was over $7,500!! I took the entire exacta pool with the only winning combination. Now I go to collect and the teller says if I gave him 10% he wouldn’t have to report the winnings to the IRS. I have no idea how that could happen but I declined. I was afraid he was undercover or something and just ask for the net amount, they took out 20% back then, and I got a check. When I got back north a few friends this was a common tactic in those days. Has any other Plopper heard of this from years ago?
yes it was legit... it was very common back in the day..guys who did this were known as 10 percenters... they'd buy at a discount and they paid no tax in the end as they would pick up losing tickets and offset the gains with losses ..on paper it was a wash.. so in the end even if they had to pay taxes upfront they'd get back their money when they filed their taxes..i guess it's still possible today but now that most bet online the days of picking up clumps of losing tickets are probably over
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Did your bet win? Sometimes getting shut out is the best thing that can happen.
That part I don't remember.
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I cashed for some guys at otb years ago...they didn't want tax stuff going to house..wife would flip out.
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@SPK Joe albano knew all
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'Ol teller tales the best
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Do today’s tellers understand the racing? Or are they “clerk” trained a day or so before the meet starts?
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i hear the PEI track Charlottetown having heck of a time getting enough quality tellers most old guard gone..young one dont get all of our horse ticket mumbo jumbo = mistakes.
good luck to them.
The king of Pompanos son is a teller in Charlottetown & has been gor the last 20 years.
That's as far as he ever made it to the horses
His name is also "Wally", of course he made his son "a junior"