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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on July 17, 2023, 02:45:43 PM
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My current all time fantasy field of 10 of the greatest 3 year old pacers ever no particular order
1 Niatross
2 Nihilator
3 Matts Scooter
4 On The Road Again
5 Beach Towel
6 Artsplace
7 Somebeachsomewher e
8 Gallo Blue Chip
9 Cams Card Shark
10 Holborn Hanover
AE 1 Precious Bunny
2 Wiggle It Jiggle it
3 Confederate (1.47 Meadowlands Pace Final almost impossible last half of 51.3 Timmy didnt touch his bottom, so I have him on the list already, with room to move way up)
4 Presidential Ball
Ok, bring on the criticism ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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My current all time fantasy field of 10 of the greatest 3 year old pacers ever no particular order
1 Niatross
2 Nihilator
3 Matts Scooter
4 On The Road Again
5 Beach Towel
6 Artsplace
7 Somebeachsomewher e
8 Gallo Blue Chip
9 Cams Card Shark
10 Holborn Hanover
AE 1 Precious Bunny
2 Wiggle It Jiggle it
3 Confederate (1.47 Meadowlands Pace Final almost impossible last half of 51.3 Timmy didnt touch his bottom, so I have him on the list already, with room to move way up)
4 Presidential Ball
Ok, bring on the criticism ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
No Western Hanover, or Western Ideal?
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Sorry, I cant bump any of my top 10 1 thru 7 are immortals as is 9
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I even excluded Life Sign who I still believe put in the greatest Jug performance I have ever seen
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i think that captaintreacherou s horse was pretty good!!!
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Somebeachsomewher e, Western Terror, Artiscape, Abercrombie...
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Abercrombie caught a very lackluster group of 3 year olds he was a better sire than racehorse
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No Cam Fella what up with this.
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i know Cam was my toughest exclusion I believe he would have a great deal of trouble defeating my top ten list consistently as a 3 year old
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remember Cam was racing against the likes of Icarus Lobell and Sokys Atom as a 3 year old Those horses are 50 to 1 shots vs my top ten list
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Abercrombie caught a very lackluster group of 3 year olds he was a better sire than racehorse
1000% true. In the 80s I published a study which showed that investing in Abecrombie's from the yearling sales was the best way to go.
Another great racehorse that was caught in a mostly inferior group was Jate Lobell
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Also Cams Card Shark
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1000% true. In the 80s I published a study which showed that investing in Abecrombie's from the yearling sales was the best way to go.
Another great racehorse that was caught in a mostly inferior group was Jate Lobell
ty Agreed Jate was also a dead pulling runaway his mares were all wacked out just like precious bunny
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ty Agreed Jate was also a dead pulling runaway his mares were all wacked out just like precious bunny
Here's an example of how he toyed with his group. This is the 2nd heat of the Confed Cup ... He'd already won the first heat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jntRbAGIoMo&list=WL&index=49
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My current all time fantasy field of 10 of the greatest 3 year old pacers ever no particular order
1 Niatross
2 Nihilator
3 Matts Scooter
4 On The Road Again
5 Beach Towel
6 Artsplace
7 Somebeachsomewher e
8 Gallo Blue Chip
9 Cams Card Shark
10 Holborn Hanover
AE 1 Precious Bunny
2 Wiggle It Jiggle it
3 Confederate (1.47 Meadowlands Pace Final almost impossible last half of 51.3 Timmy didnt touch his bottom, so I have him on the list already, with room to move way up)
4 Presidential Ball
Ok, bring on the criticism ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
One OBVIOUS mistake.
Bret Hanover.
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One OBVIOUS mistake.
Bret Hanover.
And while were at it can't rule out Meadow Skipper, Albatross, Most Happy Fella and Jate's daddy No Nukes whose sire line is still active through Western Ideal. All super fast Champion 3 yr olds.
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One OBVIOUS mistake.
Bret Hanover.
I admittedly stayed in the Modern era, everything post Niatross Didnt want to delve into the Brets or Overtricks or adios Butlers or Dan Patch
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And while were at it can't rule out Meadow Skipper, Albatross, Most Happy Fella and Jate's daddy No Nukes whose sire line is still active through Western Ideal. All super fast Champion 3 yr olds.
[/quote All great performers and foundational sires especially The likes of SBSW, Artsplace, Nihilator, et al would have jerked their bridles, IMHO
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Probably true, but from your experience could the newer equipment especially sulkys have made some of those old timers competitive with todays horses or do you think it's mostly evolution as those sires plus Abercrombie are the foundation of todays speed?
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popi rob
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Probably true, but from your experience could the newer equipment especially sulkys have made some of those old timers competitive with todays horses or do you think it's mostly evolution as those sires plus Abercrombie are the foundation of todays speed?
[/qu That's always the enigma Take a Bret Hanover Fast forward him 50 or 60 years Hi tech equip, race bike and wheels better race surfaces inmproved nutrition and a live driver like a Dunn or Tetrick laying almost flat and it starts to make you think he could drop like 7 SECONDS and then boom he is flirting with 1;45 Just no way to know I saw Most Happy Fella and Albatross Just saying in my opinion SBSW or Artsplace or Nihilator those types would still blow them away As for Dan Patch Good God !:55 in 1905 How do we even begin to comprehend that and place him now 120 years later
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Although he was 2 YO champ and 3 YO champ, and was syndicated for a then-record $3.6mm by Alan Leavitt, Nero probably did not have the raw speed of most on the top 10 list; HOWEVER, he had a truly beautiful conformation and, even to this day, serves as my model of how a pacer should be put together.