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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Balmoral buzz on July 06, 2023, 01:22:35 AM
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Well it’s going to take about 11-15 months but robin is going to purchase balmoral park and revitalize Chicago harness racing. Dana is giving her $6 million to buy the property and another $4 million to clean up the property and get it ready for harness racing. The old announcer scott earlick said it will be within 2 years. It will not be any kind of casino. Just horse racing only and robin said she will also have tbred meets too. Chicago horse racing is on the come back. Thank you robin.
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Doubtful! tmbz1
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Well it’s going to take about 11-15 months but robin is going to purchase balmoral park and revitalize Chicago harness racing. Dana is giving her $6 million to buy the property and another $4 million to clean up the property and get it ready for harness racing. The old announcer scott earlick said it will be within 2 years. It will not be any kind of casino. Just horse racing only and robin said she will also have tbred meets too. Chicago horse racing is on the come back. Thank you robin.
Give this the same odds as Petrelli being elected president of the USTA...
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Give this the same odds as Petrelli being elected president of the USTA...
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 those odds are slim to none!
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Supposedly construction going to start in next 60 days.
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Supposedly construction going to start in next 60 days.
I think it would be grate if it did happen. The mid west was the back bone of the sport.
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no cassino support
are they going to race for cooler blankets and ribbons like in the old days
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no cassino support
are they going to race for cooler blankets and ribbons like in the old days
That's what I was thinking. Harness racing can't support itself. If there is no casino possibilities who would invest in that? I'm calling bullshit on this entire thread anyway.
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That's what I was thinking. Harness racing can't support itself. If there is no casino possibilities who would invest in that? I'm calling bullshit on this entire thread anyway.
I AGREE BUT IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF ODDS ON DANA YOU MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY. HE HAS NEVER TRIED TO MAKE MONEY IN THE HARNESS BUSINESS. DANA NEEDED TAX WRITE OFFS SO HE JUST BLOWS MILLIONS ON PURPOSE. WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED ROBIN? SHE WAS ONLY A GROOM AND RECEPTIONIST IN THE RACE OFFICE. THE GUY WANTS TO LOSE MONEY TO OFFSET HIS GAINS. I DONT KNOW IF HE'LL GO THIS FAR BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT HE ALWAYS TRIED TO LOSE MONEY WHEN HE RACED HORSES IN CHICAGO THRU ROBIN BY BUYING HORSES FOR $50K AND PUTTING THEM IN $10K CLAIMERS TWO WEEKS LATER. ASK KENNY RUCKER. ROBIN WAS THE ONE WHO PUT RUCK ON THE MAP BECAUSE HE KEPT TAKING EVERY SINGLE HORSE SHE HAD IN CLAIMERS FOR DANA AND WINNING THE OPEN PACE TWO WEEKS LATER
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tmbz1
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Not sure if construction will start that quick. They are looking at using mile track for Tbreds and building a 5/8 harness track inside. Ain’t going to be cheap the place needs a lot of work
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This is completely unrealistic. Illinois offers NO support for another track, and the gaming industry has as much hold on Illinois, as the Casinos in Atlantic City do on the rest of New Jersey. Give it up. Ain't go to happen
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My question is why does Robin and company think people will go without a casino attached? Besides the Meadowlands, what harness track has any attendance worth mentioning? I give potential project no chance to succeed.
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No attendance at The Meadowlands , either. There is only 2 tracks that have a live crowd. Saratoga and Delmar, both Thoroughbreds.
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Exporter is right, on that statement. Also the TB Industry reinvests a great deal of money into event attendance and promotion. Harness Racing, (The "Blue Collar" Cousin), cant be bothered with reinvesting into its events. Ridiculous considering while the industry scratches its head as to why there is no renewed and viable interest in the sport. Maybe a start is to break up the Monopoly that Hanover is, ie: largest breeder, owner of the largest sales company, president of the USTA...etc. etc. etc. sounds like an anti-trust case no one has yet challenged.
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While I appreciate your enthusiasm XYZ, we are talking apples and oranges here. The only commonality between the blue collar and the blue blood is the horse. Every other component of the industry is very if not completely different.
Other than the Meadowlands, there is no harness racing track with a hint of the future. It seems all decisions are made to reduce the bleeding now with no forethought.
It is not an issue of money. As a matter of fact, many have to much money for such a poor and uninteresting product.
It would be like NY state giving $180 million a year to dog racing. Where would dog racing be?
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Unfortunately for the Chicago horsemen the home town racing is dead just like many other places. For a private entity to buy ,build and maintain a metro racing facility would be financial suicide! Sometimes you have to cut bait and move on .
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Unfortunately for the Chicago horsemen the home town racing is dead just like many other places. For a private entity to buy ,build and maintain a metro racing facility would be financial suicide! Sometimes you have to cut bait and move on .
This entire thread is made up for the purpose of rubbing it in Ill. harness racing's face. Everyone knows it's never coming back to what it was. No one in their right mind with no matter how much money in the bank would invest in Ill. harness racing!
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You don't build anything today without government incentives. Even if your project doesn't them.
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While I appreciate your enthusiasm XYZ, we are talking apples and oranges here. The only commonality between the blue collar and the blue blood is the horse. Every other component of the industry is very if not completely different.
Other than the Meadowlands, there is no harness racing track with a hint of the future. It seems all decisions are made to reduce the bleeding now with no forethought.
It is not an issue of money. As a matter of fact, many have to much money for such a poor and uninteresting product.
It would be like NY state giving $180 million a year to dog racing. Where would dog racing be?
The "Blue Collar Cousin" was taken from a Greg Peck statement once, You remember Greg the Trainer of Muscle Hill, who produced blue blood horses. My case in point, a guy that trained Muscle Hill doesn't even champion the sport he derived an income from. The sport needs trainers dressed professionally, and staffers the same way. its appalling some night's to see these people meeting the horse off the track. Thoroughbreds entirely different for most part.
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It would be nice, XYZ. There is no doubt about the significant decorum in the 2 sports. Many times I have watched a broadcast and look to hide under my coffee table when Leo Wolf, owner of some outstanding horses is accepting the winners presentation in the same overalls he had on every week.
Or, when on I think an live ESPN broadcast, the #1 driver in the country's response to a question is ..."no shit"!
Harness racing has always been the red headed step child to Thoroughbred racing. Changing that dynamic will never happen. It has gone even more south in recent years.
This time of year, Saratoga Race Course and all it's history and grandeur is in town for 45 days. On a stakes weeked card, 45,000 fans at the track is typical. Years ago, every night Saratoga harness raced during this season, they would get a couple thousand more in their attendance. Now, a couple dozen and they would never admit it to their friends.
Harness racing has it's roots in farm families racing their steads and buggies home after church for bragging rights. Thoroughbred racing is Blue bloods, racing their prized steads for big money and prestige in the highest circles of society. 150 years later, not much has changed outside the inner circle of harness racing.
Today, ask a stranger about harness racing. Few will know what you are talking about. Thoses that due will say, ..."aren't those buggy races all fixed"?
We have made some strides. No longer is Leo Wolf wearing his overalls to the winners circle. You still can get a glance of Jeff Gural wearing what looks like a tablecloth from a Little Italy cafe. Changing the perception of harness racing would take a collaborative effort. Harness rarely agrees on anything.
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We have made some strides. No longer is Leo Wolf wearing his overalls to the winners circle. You still can get a glance of Jeff Gural wearing what looks like a tablecloth from a Little Italy cafe. Changing the perception of harness racing would take a collaborative effort. Harness rarely agrees on anything.
Exporter, your quote above says it all. When you think about the roots of harness racing, made popular by the Vanderbilts, Astors etc. One would think that the storied history would continue forward much like TB's did. But it is a collaborative effort. Especially when a track owner of the premier event track, dresses like he's the guy running the concession stand. Until that changes the glory days of harness racing, are better revered in Sweden and France.
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This entire thread is made up for the purpose of rubbing it in Ill. harness racing's face. Everyone knows it's never coming back to what it was. No one in their right mind with no matter how much money in the bank would invest in Ill. harness racing!
I AGREE BUT IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF ODDS ON DANA YOU MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY. HE HAS NEVER TRIED TO MAKE MONEY IN THE HARNESS BUSINESS. DANA NEEDED TAX WRITE OFFS SO HE JUST BLOWS MILLIONS ON PURPOSE. WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED ROBIN AND WAS GIVING HER 200-300K HORSES TO TRAIN? SHE WAS ONLY A GROOM AND RECEPTIONIST IN THE RACE OFFICE. THE GUY WANTS TO LOSE MONEY TO OFFSET HIS OFFSHORE GAINS AND GET THE MONEY INTO THE USA WITHOUT BEING NOTICED. I DONT KNOW IF HE'LL GO THIS FAR BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT HE ALWAYS TRIED TO LOSE MONEY WHEN HE RACED HORSES IN CHICAGO THRU ROBIN. THEY WOULD BUY HORSES FOR $150K AND PUTTING THEM IN $20-30K CLAIMERS A MONTH OR TWO LATER. ASK KENNY RUCKER. ROBIN WAS THE ONE WHO PUT RUCK ON THE MAP BECAUSE HE KEPT TAKING EVERY SINGLE HORSE SHE HAD IN CLAIMERS FOR ODDSON DANA AND OFTEN TIMES END UP WINNING THE OPEN WITH 100-200K ON THEIR CARD AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THE ENTIRE ODDS ON OPERATION WAS ALWAYS SET-UP TO LOSE MONEY ON PURPOSE